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I went on this type of diet 14 years ago and as well as dropping 10kg in two months with little to no extra exercise my asthma (which I'd suffered since early childhood) cleared up completely and has never come back. I've stuck with this type of eating ever since and although I'm not as strict anymore I still base my eating around the foundation of low carb/high protein. I'm not sure whether it's the starch or the gluten that does the harm but I just find avoiding them or consuming them in very small quantities works for me. I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


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I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


I find no issue with eating a bowl of the stuff that goes on rice / pasta, skipping the carb 'filler'. :)


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I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


I find no issue with eating a bowl of the stuff that goes on rice / pasta, skipping the carb 'filler'. :)

And yet the people who eat the most rice are predominantly slim. Currently travelling in SE Asia, here people eat rice at least 3 times a day but in all these countries you see fewer fatties than anywhere else on the planet. Why would that be?


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Nieghorn wrote:
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I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


I find no issue with eating a bowl of the stuff that goes on rice / pasta, skipping the carb 'filler'. :)


Yeah ... some maybe ... but not all. I've also tried cauliflower rice which is a great, healthy substitute if preparing yourself but my local Thai and Indian restaurants don't offer that option. I definitely skip the naan bread though.

What pasta dishes do you eat sans pasta?


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I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


I find no issue with eating a bowl of the stuff that goes on rice / pasta, skipping the carb 'filler'. :)

And yet the people who eat the most rice are predominantly slim. Currently travelling in SE Asia, here people eat rice at least 3 times a day but in all these countries you see fewer fatties than anywhere else on the planet. Why would that be?


Portion control. They don't stuff themselves on the massive portions we've become accustomed to in the West.


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A small bag of sugar can last a whole year here. However I do like Kellogs "Cruncy Nut" cornflakes, so maybe I'm not doing terribly well on a "no sugar" regime.


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Done it many times and my wife has tried it. Drink juice (or low cal juice) diluted in like 10 parts water if you get sugar cravings. I gained some weight last winter and spring, mostly by pigging out on the cookies etc we now have in the house for the kids. I cut out sugar back in June or July and have lost 30lbs since without working out. All I did was cut out the sweets.


Stuff like this grates on me a little bit. You didn't lose 30lbs by cutting out sugar, you lost 30lbs by lowering your daily calorie intake as a result of not eating cookies and sweets.

I encourage people to do whatever works for them, but the amount of calories you take out of your diet by cutting out junk food is the main driver in the weight loss, not taking out the evil sugar imo.


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Nieghorn wrote:
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I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


I find no issue with eating a bowl of the stuff that goes on rice / pasta, skipping the carb 'filler'. :)



I love that food well, but it's somehow better with rice.


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Done it many times and my wife has tried it. Drink juice (or low cal juice) diluted in like 10 parts water if you get sugar cravings. I gained some weight last winter and spring, mostly by pigging out on the cookies etc we now have in the house for the kids. I cut out sugar back in June or July and have lost 30lbs since without working out. All I did was cut out the sweets.


Stuff like this grates on me a little bit. You didn't lose 30lbs by cutting out sugar, you lost 30lbs by lowering your daily calorie intake as a result of not eating cookies and sweets.

I encourage people to do whatever works for them, but the amount of calories you take out of your diet by cutting out junk food is the main driver in the weight loss, not taking out the evil sugar imo.


It has been mentioned by a couple of people.
If during or after eating carbs there is still a feeling of wanting more, then it is probably caused by a chemical reaction in your body. The common expression is craving.
Your solution may reduce calories, but it does not remove the craving.


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I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


I find no issue with eating a bowl of the stuff that goes on rice / pasta, skipping the carb 'filler'. :)

And yet the people who eat the most rice are predominantly slim. Currently travelling in SE Asia, here people eat rice at least 3 times a day but in all these countries you see fewer fatties than anywhere else on the planet. Why would that be?


I genuinely believe our genetics has a say in ou diets. I believe a fair number of health issues will be solved when scientists work it out.

Currently it's easy to good what foods you eat to blood type. I did this after I started the dukan diet and noticed all the positive changes in my body and health wih no carbs/wheet/gluten/dairy and found that what they recomened for my Bloody type (A positive) was a big match for what I had cut out and how I felt better. I think blood types diets is a crude system of gentic food matches.


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Stevus55 wrote:
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Done it many times and my wife has tried it. Drink juice (or low cal juice) diluted in like 10 parts water if you get sugar cravings. I gained some weight last winter and spring, mostly by pigging out on the cookies etc we now have in the house for the kids. I cut out sugar back in June or July and have lost 30lbs since without working out. All I did was cut out the sweets.


Stuff like this grates on me a little bit. You didn't lose 30lbs by cutting out sugar, you lost 30lbs by lowering your daily calorie intake as a result of not eating cookies and sweets.

I encourage people to do whatever works for them, but the amount of calories you take out of your diet by cutting out junk food is the main driver in the weight loss, not taking out the evil sugar imo.


No of course you're right. I reduced my calorie intake, a large part of which was sugar. No more huge bowl of cereal with banana every day. Seems healthy in theory but the calories add up. The real junk (cookies especially) was easier to cut out, but I still got a mean chips addiction.


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Stevus55 wrote:
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Done it many times and my wife has tried it. Drink juice (or low cal juice) diluted in like 10 parts water if you get sugar cravings. I gained some weight last winter and spring, mostly by pigging out on the cookies etc we now have in the house for the kids. I cut out sugar back in June or July and have lost 30lbs since without working out. All I did was cut out the sweets.


Stuff like this grates on me a little bit. You didn't lose 30lbs by cutting out sugar, you lost 30lbs by lowering your daily calorie intake as a result of not eating cookies and sweets.

I encourage people to do whatever works for them, but the amount of calories you take out of your diet by cutting out junk food is the main driver in the weight loss, not taking out the evil sugar imo.


Removing the sugar removes the cravings, so people eat less, eat better and keep to it. Sugar does spike the blood sugar levels massively and raise insulin in a big way as well whhc is associated with high weight levels and not being able to lose fat.


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The cravings thing makes sense. I think what bothers me is that a lot of people will never make the change because it seems like such a big step, added sugar is everywhere and cutting it all out is hard and time consuming. Cutting calories, imo, is an easier and more manageable first step for people.

I have these discussions with friends all the time. I track my calories and generally watch what I eat, I have overweight friends who will tell me they can't do what I do as they love various foods too much. Really I eat most of the same things they do, just in moderation and always within a certain calorie range.


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I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


I find no issue with eating a bowl of the stuff that goes on rice / pasta, skipping the carb 'filler'. :)

And yet the people who eat the most rice are predominantly slim. Currently travelling in SE Asia, here people eat rice at least 3 times a day but in all these countries you see fewer fatties than anywhere else on the planet. Why would that be?


I genuinely believe our genetics has a say in ou diets. I believe a fair number of health issues will be solved when scientists work it out.

Currently it's easy to good what foods you eat to blood type. I did this after I started the dukan diet and noticed all the positive changes in my body and health wih no carbs/wheet/gluten/dairy and found that what they recomened for my Bloody type (A positive) was a big match for what I had cut out and how I felt better. I think blood types diets is a crude system of gentic food matches.


Agreed.

I do not know enough about it - though I should start looking into it as I get older - but many in my family are Type 1 diabetics and my father / uncles have to check themselves regularly.

I wonder if my sugar addiction and 'ability' to pack on weight quickly, even when not in large amounts, has much to do with my genes.


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What is the difference between processed sugar and naturally occurring sugars?

I can understand cutting out fizzy drinks which are empty calories but other than that surely it's just better to have a balanced diet.

Sugars are in most food naturally.


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I'm just going to leave this here

http://angry-chef.com

He has some interesting blogs on sugar and other diet related stuff


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Sugar is sugar to ur body.


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Yeah I agree sugar has been demonised too much especially when people cut their fuit intake due to the sugar content. Show me the obese fatty that got fat from eating fruit?


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My mental happiness is very important to me, and the beautiful sweet goodness of brown sugar on my cereal, puddings, in my coffee, milk makes me very happy.
The rest of my diet happens to be cheese and red meat so all good, right?


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Hang on the Mediterraneans and Asians do fine on pasta and rice. They are not oompa loompas and they all live to 147.

What is everyone waffling on out? No way I can cut out pasta and rice - it would be too inconvenient.


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Hang on the Mediterraneans and Asians do fine on pasta and rice. They are not oompa loompas and they all live to 147.

What is everyone waffling on out? No way I can cut out pasta and rice - it would be too inconvenient.


As mentioned before, Asians do not eat nearly the same quantity of food as westerners. It's all about moderation.

A successful dieting tecchnique used by my friend was just reducing portion size. He started cooking at home and using smaller plates.


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Give up beer, potatoes, pasta and plain chocolate digestives.

Get the feck out of here.


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The cravings thing makes sense. I think what bothers me is that a lot of people will never make the change because it seems like such a big step, added sugar is everywhere and cutting it all out is hard and time consuming. Cutting calories, imo, is an easier and more manageable first step for people.

I have these discussions with friends all the time. I track my calories and generally watch what I eat, I have overweight friends who will tell me they can't do what I do as they love various foods too much. Really I eat most of the same things they do, just in moderation and always within a certain calorie range.


I cut out sugar and grains from my diet a few years ago, I lost over 20kgs and my weight has been stable ever since.

It suits me because I am absolutely shit at moderation, but quite good at just saying no

The thing is on this eating this way I don't get hungry. I understand the cravings are all about the insulin spikes, eat your cereal with a banana for breakfast and be needing a biscuit by 10am or have an omelette (no toast) and I won't be hungry all day.

Never counted a calorie, just eating when hungry, essentially a diet of good fats, proteins and green vegetables


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As for sugar, the stuff is the devil! Full on addict here, but am more aware of my cravings for it and find if it's not in the house, I'm okay. If I'm visiting family and have free rights to the kitchen, I'll be whipping up batches of sugary desserts for all (but mostly me, of course), nipping into the dough / batter, sampling the 'must-have' warm ones straight out of the oven and indulging later when they've 'firmed' up.

I kicked rice and pasta years ago, realising that it does nothing to fill me up. Very rarely will cave for some chips / crisps / fries (salty potatoes in one guise or another).

I make my own bread, but try and keep that to one 200-300 cal serving a day. I tried going off all of it a while ago but after the first month, fell right off the wagon. Moderation is the key and keeping my daily calorie intake to under 2000 seems to do the trick. When you do that, you find that floury/sugary carbs takes up a lot of your allowance, so I'm making better choices as well.


Niegs

The bolded bit is the key for me. I eat at home most of the time and do 75% of the cooking. I focus on quality ingredients, organically grown veges and fruit where possible, I bake my own bread with stone ground whole meal flour, have no processed foods in the house, occasionally have a couple of pieces of dark chocolates after dinner, exercise sensibly, do yoga twice a week, and don't snack between meals. I can't remember the last time I had potato chips or the like.

As stated earlier, I never add sugar to any food I am preparing nor to my bread and never drink soft drinks.

My blood pressure is stable, weight too at 88kg (I am 190cm), waist 33-34 inch, and body fat around 12%.

Good choices all around mean I am in the best health I have been for ages.


Good thread - Been thinking of making my own wholemeal bread what type of machine are you running? and I take it you dont add sugar to the recipie?


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I'm just going to leave this here

http://angry-chef.com

He has some interesting blogs on sugar and other diet related stuff



Likew what? I cna't read tat because it's just seems a cliche blogger who never gets to the point while trying to be funny all of the time.


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Yeah I agree sugar has been demonised too much especially when people cut their fuit intake due to the sugar content. Show me the obese fatty that got fat from eating fruit?


More about cutting fruit to lose fat easier.. more sugar in the body the harder to lose fat.


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eldanielfire wrote:
james garner wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here

http://angry-chef.com

He has some interesting blogs on sugar and other diet related stuff



Likew what? I cna't read tat because it's just seems a cliche blogger who never gets to the point while trying to be funny all of the time.


Fudge me, PR has a blog section?!?


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My mental happiness is very important to me, and the beautiful sweet goodness of brown sugar on my cereal, puddings, in my coffee, milk makes me very happy.
The rest of my diet happens to be cheese and red meat so all good, right?


The memtal happiness of no longer being addicted to sugar to pretty nice too tbf


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So what does a non-sugar eater do with regards to booze? Red wine?


I drink a bottle or 3 of red wine a week, no significant problems with it.

You're one of the lucky ones. Drinking red wine usually knocks me out of ketosis unfortunately, so I stick to whisky most of the time.


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All you people who struggle with weight etc. - were you all heavy when you were younger?

Nope, I was a skinny little rake as a kid, up until 17/18. Then I stopped playing rugby as I couldn't commit to the time and just ended up eating like shit and drinking a lot. Blew up from about 75-80 up to 115ish. Trial and error around diet for about 12-18 months and worked out what my body responds to best in terms of feeling great, steadily lose weight and keeping it off etc. Went from 115 to around 85ish in the space of a year and will stick around between 86-90 for the most part

Ketogenically is where I find my best performance around running, lifting, refereeing etc and I usually have the best amount of energy. When I do fall off the wagon and eat carbs and drink a lot (did it for about 3 months this year) I put on about 6-8kgs very easily and felt lethargic even when eating regularly.


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I do have rice from time to time though as I'm a sucker for Indian and South East Asian food. :thumbup:


I find no issue with eating a bowl of the stuff that goes on rice / pasta, skipping the carb 'filler'. :)

Cauliflower rice isn't too bad on the carb front.


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I've been to Jamaica three times. They offer you sugar cane from the roadside to chew.

(Plus jerk beef, chicken and pork).

Sadly it has come off the rails from the wonderful island I remember.

I bet the sugar cane roadside huts are still there. It's rather good to try the original and I come from Norfolk where we grow an awful lot of sugar-beet.


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My mental happiness is very important to me, and the beautiful sweet goodness of brown sugar on my cereal, puddings, in my coffee, milk makes me very happy.
The rest of my diet happens to be cheese and red meat so all good, right?


The memtal happiness of no longer being addicted to sugar to pretty nice too tbf


Not being on the path to type two diabeties, heart disease, no more snoring and no joint pain is pretty nice too

Google Dr's "Gary Fettke" or "Tim Noakes" or "Jason Fung" if you want to learn more


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irishrugbyua wrote:
TheSmurf wrote:
My mental happiness is very important to me, and the beautiful sweet goodness of brown sugar on my cereal, puddings, in my coffee, milk makes me very happy.
The rest of my diet happens to be cheese and red meat so all good, right?


The memtal happiness of no longer being addicted to sugar to pretty nice too tbf


Not being on the path to type two diabeties, heart disease, no more snoring and no joint pain is pretty nice too

Google Dr's "Gary Fettke" or "Tim Nookes" or "Jason Fung" if you want to learn more


How different foods hit your bloodstream in terms of sugar is something that people who just look at the overall carbohydrate load of a foods don't always take into account. For example Sweet potato may have similar carbs to white potato, but it releases sugar into your bloodstream in a much slower fashion. This is obviously a ideal outcome for people worried about diabetes.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
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My mental happiness is very important to me, and the beautiful sweet goodness of brown sugar on my cereal, puddings, in my coffee, milk makes me very happy.
The rest of my diet happens to be cheese and red meat so all good, right?


The memtal happiness of no longer being addicted to sugar to pretty nice too tbf


Not being on the path to type two diabeties, heart disease, no more snoring and no joint pain is pretty nice too

Google Dr's "Gary Fettke" or "Tim Nookes" or "Jason Fung" if you want to learn more


How different foods hit your bloodstream in terms of sugar is something that people who just look at the overall carbohydrate load of a foods don't always take into account. For example Sweet potato may have similar carbs to white potato, but it releases sugar into your bloodstream in a much slower fashion. This is obviously a ideal outcome for people worried about diabetes.


Or just not have either potato or sweet potato as a regular part of your diet


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My mental happiness is very important to me, and the beautiful sweet goodness of brown sugar on my cereal, puddings, in my coffee, milk makes me very happy.
The rest of my diet happens to be cheese and red meat so all good, right?


The memtal happiness of no longer being addicted to sugar to pretty nice too tbf


Not being on the path to type two diabeties, heart disease, no more snoring and no joint pain is pretty nice too

Google Dr's "Gary Fettke" or "Tim Nookes" or "Jason Fung" if you want to learn more


How different foods hit your bloodstream in terms of sugar is something that people who just look at the overall carbohydrate load of a foods don't always take into account. For example Sweet potato may have similar carbs to white potato, but it releases sugar into your bloodstream in a much slower fashion. This is obviously a ideal outcome for people worried about diabetes.


Or just not have either potato or sweet potato as a regular part of your diet

Swarm incoming


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I'm just going to leave this here

http://angry-chef.com

He has some interesting blogs on sugar and other diet related stuff



Likew what? I cna't read tat because it's just seems a cliche blogger who never gets to the point while trying to be funny all of the time.


A cliche blogger? Certainly not when it comes to food. But yes he does go on a bit. But work out the points he makes it's worth a thought.


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For me I'm a massive chip eater (crisps). I really need to cut that shit out.

But it's so tasty.....

Also, what is the latest science on artificial sweeteners? Do they make you fat or not?


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I very rarely eat anything with added sugar. I don't have a sweet tooth and I don't like desserts. I've been trying to cut down my pasta intake (once a week) but potatoes remain an obstacle. I love them.


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 Post subject: Re: Quitting sugar?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:42 pm 
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True Blue wrote:
For me I'm a massive chip eater (crisps). I really need to cut that shit out.

But it's so tasty.....

Also, what is the latest science on artificial sweeteners? Do they make you fat or not?


They affect insulin production which leads to the storing of extra body fat

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/ar ... n#section1

They also taste shit, I was a massive user of pepsi max et al, gave it up for a month and can't stand the taste anymore


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