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 Post subject: Re: Quitting sugar?
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http://angry-chef.com

He has some interesting blogs on sugar and other diet related stuff



Likew what? I cna't read tat because it's just seems a cliche blogger who never gets to the point while trying to be funny all of the time.


A cliche blogger? Certainly not when it comes to food. But yes he does go on a bit. But work out the points he makes it's worth a thought.

That is the worst designed blog I've ever come across, it's almost unreadable.


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As for sugar, the stuff is the devil! Full on addict here, but am more aware of my cravings for it and find if it's not in the house, I'm okay. If I'm visiting family and have free rights to the kitchen, I'll be whipping up batches of sugary desserts for all (but mostly me, of course), nipping into the dough / batter, sampling the 'must-have' warm ones straight out of the oven and indulging later when they've 'firmed' up.

I kicked rice and pasta years ago, realising that it does nothing to fill me up. Very rarely will cave for some chips / crisps / fries (salty potatoes in one guise or another).

I make my own bread, but try and keep that to one 200-300 cal serving a day. I tried going off all of it a while ago but after the first month, fell right off the wagon. Moderation is the key and keeping my daily calorie intake to under 2000 seems to do the trick. When you do that, you find that floury/sugary carbs takes up a lot of your allowance, so I'm making better choices as well.


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The bolded bit is the key for me. I eat at home most of the time and do 75% of the cooking. I focus on quality ingredients, organically grown veges and fruit where possible, I bake my own bread with stone ground whole meal flour, have no processed foods in the house, occasionally have a couple of pieces of dark chocolates after dinner, exercise sensibly, do yoga twice a week, and don't snack between meals. I can't remember the last time I had potato chips or the like.

As stated earlier, I never add sugar to any food I am preparing nor to my bread and never drink soft drinks.

My blood pressure is stable, weight too at 88kg (I am 190cm), waist 33-34 inch, and body fat around 12%.

Good choices all around mean I am in the best health I have been for ages.


Good thread - Been thinking of making my own wholemeal bread what type of machine are you running? and I take it you dont add sugar to the recipie?


I don't use a machine, preferring to knead the dough by hand. You are right, I add no sugar at all and no other form of sweetener.


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Serious question. Do white people really need bread that much? I almost never eat it, might have a bagel or some pastry thing once in a blue moon. I don't see the appeal.

I would die without white rice though.


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Sensible Stephen wrote:
Serious question. Do white people really need bread that much? I almost never eat it, might have a bagel or some pastry thing once in a blue moon. I don't see the appeal.

I would die without white rice though.


Do Asians really need white rice that much...?


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Stevus55 wrote:
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Serious question. Do white people really need bread that much? I almost never eat it, might have a bagel or some pastry thing once in a blue moon. I don't see the appeal.

I would die without white rice though.


Do Asians really need white rice that much...?


Yes.

Now answer the question!


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For me I'm a massive chip eater (crisps). I really need to cut that shit out.

But it's so tasty.....

Also, what is the latest science on artificial sweeteners? Do they make you fat or not?


They affect insulin production which leads to the storing of extra body fat

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/ar ... n#section1

They also taste shit, I was a massive user of pepsi max et al, gave it up for a month and can't stand the taste anymore



Well, shit. I literally just bought a pepsi max. Looking at that website, they suggest Stevia is the go to for sweeteners. Natural and may even lower BP. Lots of drinks with that in it, may give them a go.


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We use stevia instead of sugar. It's good for adding to drinks and smoothies.


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 Post subject: Re: Quitting sugar?
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Sensible Stephen wrote:
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Serious question. Do white people really need bread that much? I almost never eat it, might have a bagel or some pastry thing once in a blue moon. I don't see the appeal.

I would die without white rice though.


Do Asians really need white rice that much...?


Yes.

Now answer the question!


Maybe I'm Asian, I would give up bread in a heartbeat if I got to keep rice.


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Stevus55 wrote:
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Serious question. Do white people really need bread that much? I almost never eat it, might have a bagel or some pastry thing once in a blue moon. I don't see the appeal.

I would die without white rice though.


Do Asians really need white rice that much...?


Yes.

Now answer the question!


Maybe I'm Asian, I would give up bread in a heartbeat if I got to keep rice.



Me too. Definitely prefer rice over bread.


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Sensible Stephen wrote:
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Serious question. Do white people really need bread that much? I almost never eat it, might have a bagel or some pastry thing once in a blue moon. I don't see the appeal.

I would die without white rice though.


Do Asians really need white rice that much...?


Yes.

Now answer the question!


Bread is part of european culture? Has been consumed for millennia. Lots of our food is designed around it, and wheat is generally easy to grow and maintain and flour can be stored for a very long time so it's ideal for long winters. Also it's a good sex toy.


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Bread is part of european culture? Has been consumed for millennia. Lots of our food is designed around it, and wheat is generally easy to grow and maintain and flour can be stored for a very long time so it's ideal for long winters. Also it's a good sex toy.


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Sensible Stephen wrote:
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Bread is part of european culture? Has been consumed for millennia. Lots of our food is designed around it, and wheat is generally easy to grow and maintain and flour can be stored for a very long time so it's ideal for long winters. Also it's a good sex toy.


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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well there you go. White men obviously can't give up white bread!


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 Post subject: Re: Quitting sugar?
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Serious question. Do white people really need bread that much? I almost never eat it, might have a bagel or some pastry thing once in a blue moon. I don't see the appeal.

I would die without white rice though.


Bread is a staple of our typical breakfast (toast) and lunch (sandwiches, bread rolls) but not so much dinner. White rice in Asian food is usually accompanied by protein and vegetables which makes it healthier than your typical toast or sandwich meal. I love eggs in the morning and I can happily have an omelette or scrambled eggs on their own but it's nice to have toast with poached eggs. My wife makes a lovely gluten free bread using almond flour. Other than that I generally avoid bread.


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 Post subject: Re: Quitting sugar?
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UncleFB wrote:
james garner wrote:
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I'm just going to leave this here

http://angry-chef.com

He has some interesting blogs on sugar and other diet related stuff



Likew what? I cna't read tat because it's just seems a cliche blogger who never gets to the point while trying to be funny all of the time.


A cliche blogger? Certainly not when it comes to food. But yes he does go on a bit. But work out the points he makes it's worth a thought.

That is the worst designed blog I've ever come across, it's almost unreadable.


Blog design or how he structures his blog posts? Tbh it's not that difficult, it's only reading


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 Post subject: Re: Quitting sugar?
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james garner wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
james garner wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
james garner wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here

http://angry-chef.com

He has some interesting blogs on sugar and other diet related stuff



Likew what? I cna't read tat because it's just seems a cliche blogger who never gets to the point while trying to be funny all of the time.


A cliche blogger? Certainly not when it comes to food. But yes he does go on a bit. But work out the points he makes it's worth a thought.

That is the worst designed blog I've ever come across, it's almost unreadable.


Blog design or how he structures his blog posts? Tbh it's not that difficult, it's only reading



Yeah but it's awful reading.


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Eating low/no sugar food is easy. Everyone loves meat and veges. But it's the sauces that are the issue. So many sauces that taste great contain added sugar.


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I'm trying to restrict sugar, carbs and cheese as I want to taper down to around 83kgs.

What kept me trim in my 20s and early 30s no longer works as well. That is, a decent run three times a week and a healthy balanced diet.

Of course, my predilection for lots of beer on the weekend doesn't help.


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I have started to make a concerted effort to remove as much added refined sugars from my diet as possible about two months ago. No more sugar in coffee, recently also removed the dairy from it and substitute a few green teas through the day as well. No more pastry's, sugary snacks or soft drinks at all. I eat a lot more fruit and veg through the day.

I was consuming a lot of sugar through the day. My motivation was no longer wanting to look 6 months pregnant. After two months of considerable diet change I look maybe 5 months pregnant, feel a lot less bloated and less sugar and caffeine induced anxiety.

Started some light exercise again a month ago. I never had to do much to maintain shape and could eat whatever I wanted with little consequence. Oh how things have changed.


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AC.. You samoan right? Sugar is in your blood..

If you can quit the sugar, kudos to you. You must be avoiding the Samoan family toonai a lot then.


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Nolanator wrote:
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http://www.drb.ie/essays/a-postmodern-disease

An interesting read on modern public perceptions of "gluten intolerance".


There's no such thing, other than full-blown coeliac disease. People want a formal diagnosis of some condition that's making them feel bloated etc, so the term "non-coeliac gluten intolerance" has emerged in lieu of "stop eating too much crap and have a more balanced diet".

I don't agree, coeliacs report of being uneasy with gluten before developing coeliac disease, suggesting there is a mid ground.


No, coeliac disease is caused by gluten intolerance. If you're intolerant to gluten, you suffer the disease, there's no middle ground.
Having shit eating habits causing abdominal discomfort, diarrhoea etc which is then corrected by eating appropriately is not an intolerance; it's just a shit diet.

People who reported symptoms before being actually diagnosed with coeliac disease probably had the condition for a while beforehand.


Are you a GI Specialist?

I had many issues and had Coeliac testing via blood tests and Colonoscopies.

The GI Specialist basically said the exact opposite to you.

A lot of people do have intolerance that can run the gamut from "mild" to almost Coeliac symptoms. It tends to come in waves.

I can eat bread, pasta, etc but if I east a lot, I get massive reflux for days.

I keep it to a minumum nowadays and only eat proper Sourdough if it's bread.


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james garner wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
james garner wrote:
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I'm just going to leave this here

http://angry-chef.com

He has some interesting blogs on sugar and other diet related stuff



Likew what? I cna't read tat because it's just seems a cliche blogger who never gets to the point while trying to be funny all of the time.


A cliche blogger? Certainly not when it comes to food. But yes he does go on a bit. But work out the points he makes it's worth a thought.

That is the worst designed blog I've ever come across, it's almost unreadable.


Blog design or how he structures his blog posts? Tbh it's not that difficult, it's only reading

Bit of both, more the design, but the design could be overcome if the writing wasn't so scatterbrained ... structure would be nice. There could be some good stuff in there, I'm happy to take your word for it .....


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Eating low/no sugar food is easy. Everyone loves meat and veges. But it's the sauces that are the issue. So many sauces that taste great contain added sugar.

I don't have that problem, I pretty much eat meat and vegetables only for dinner and lunch, no sauces and no carb fillers (bread, potatoes, rice or pasta) and have done so for a few years now.

However, I can blow all that in one sitting with a bag of gummy lollies, peanut M&Ms or other type of chocolate when I'm on a sweet binge. If they ever make perfect healthy gummy lollies substitutes I'll be the healthiest man alive.


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Eating low/no sugar food is easy. Everyone loves meat and veges. But it's the sauces that are the issue. So many sauces that taste great contain added sugar.

I don't have that problem, I pretty much eat meat and vegetables only for dinner and lunch, no sauces and no carb fillers (bread, potatoes, rice or pasta) and have done so for a few years now.

However, I can blow all that in one sitting with a bag of gummy lollies, peanut M&Ms or other type of chocolate when I'm on a sweet binge. If they ever make perfect healthy gummy lollies substitutes I'll be the healthiest man alive.


I find the odd binge on lollies, chocolates, sweets etc doesn't do that much harm. It's the volume you're consuming and these sweets are so rich that tends to limit your consumption. I'm a sucker for scorched almonds and can polish off half a box in one sitting. Not good but I'm not going to do that three times a day everyday. The hidden sugars in cereals, sauces and other everyday food are consumed regularly in bigger volumes and are often passed off as healthy because they are low fat but in reality packed with sugar.

I also read once about the amount of carb in say a Mars bar. It is high in sugar but the total carbs is nowhere as high as a plateful of pasta. You're not likely to eat 2 Mars bars in one sitting but you could easily consume that amount of carbs in a large serving of pasta.


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UncleFB wrote:
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Eating low/no sugar food is easy. Everyone loves meat and veges. But it's the sauces that are the issue. So many sauces that taste great contain added sugar.

I don't have that problem, I pretty much eat meat and vegetables only for dinner and lunch, no sauces and no carb fillers (bread, potatoes, rice or pasta) and have done so for a few years now.

However, I can blow all that in one sitting with a bag of gummy lollies, peanut M&Ms or other type of chocolate when I'm on a sweet binge. If they ever make perfect healthy gummy lollies substitutes I'll be the healthiest man alive.

Oh definitely, I can easily put away a few blocks of chocolates, big packet of chips or two large pizzas when I want to do a carb binge.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
Eating low/no sugar food is easy. Everyone loves meat and veges. But it's the sauces that are the issue. So many sauces that taste great contain added sugar.

I don't have that problem, I pretty much eat meat and vegetables only for dinner and lunch, no sauces and no carb fillers (bread, potatoes, rice or pasta) and have done so for a few years now.

However, I can blow all that in one sitting with a bag of gummy lollies, peanut M&Ms or other type of chocolate when I'm on a sweet binge. If they ever make perfect healthy gummy lollies substitutes I'll be the healthiest man alive.


I find the odd binge on lollies, chocolates, sweets etc doesn't do that much harm. It's the volume you're consuming and these sweets are so rich that tends to limit your consumption. I'm a sucker for scorched almonds and can polish off half a box in one sitting. Not good but I'm not going to do that three times a day everyday. The hidden sugars in cereals, sauces and other everyday food are consumed regularly in bigger volumes and are often passed off as healthy because they are low fat but in reality packed with sugar.

I also read once about the amount of carb in say a Mars bar. It is high in sugar but the total carbs is nowhere as high as a plateful of pasta. You're not likely to eat 2 Mars bars in one sitting but you could easily consume that amount of carbs in a large serving of pasta.

Yep, I can plow through them - if I buy any of them I devour them in one go, no self control, however, I can go months when I'll only have the odd bag on the weekend, but then I'll go on a 3 week binge and I'll have them every day and the weight will just sky rocket.

I'm lucky that I don't need to eat sauces, cereals and other things with hidden sugars.

Rice eating can make my weight sky rocket too, one of my Asian friends didn't believe me as she eats it constantly every day for two meals so we did a little test for two weeks where I ate rice as part of my meals and bang, weight increase (I didn't eat the lollies either that entire time just to be certain).


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One of the challenges I face is that my wife has somewhat of a sweet tooth and loves chocolate. And so there has always been lots of chocolate in the house. Unlike me it doesn't seem to impact her weight and she is also much better at just having small portions of chocolate, whereas I tended to scoff until it was all gone. I guess those are my Samoan genes coming out? A month into reducing sugar and I don't crave any of her chocolate anymore, so that's pleasing.


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One of the challenges I face is that my wife has somewhat of a sweet tooth and loves chocolate. And so there has always been lots of chocolate in the house. Unlike me it doesn't seem to impact her weight and she is also much better at just having small portions of chocolate, whereas I tended to scoff until it was all gone. I guess those are my Samoan genes coming out? A month into reducing sugar and I don't crave any of her chocolate anymore, so that's pleasing.

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Rice eating can make my weight sky rocket too, one of my Asian friends didn't believe me as she eats it constantly every day for two meals so we did a little test for two weeks where I ate rice as part of my meals and bang, weight increase (I didn't eat the lollies either that entire time just to be certain).


Different foods impact on people differently. Polynesian people traditionally didn't eat rice so we probably don't process it as effectively as Asian people, who did. We are also very prone to putting on weight.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
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Rice eating can make my weight sky rocket too, one of my Asian friends didn't believe me as she eats it constantly every day for two meals so we did a little test for two weeks where I ate rice as part of my meals and bang, weight increase (I didn't eat the lollies either that entire time just to be certain).


Different foods impact on people differently. Polynesian people traditionally didn't eat rice so we probably don't process it as effectively as Asian people, who did. We are also very prone to putting on weight.

Hahaha, yes we are. And yes, I've told her that many times to disbelief, hence doing the little test.

I think Kiribati basically has the worst health in the region due to the switch from a traditional diet to a reliance on imported high carb packaged foods.


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Rice eating can make my weight sky rocket too, one of my Asian friends didn't believe me as she eats it constantly every day for two meals so we did a little test for two weeks where I ate rice as part of my meals and bang, weight increase (I didn't eat the lollies either that entire time just to be certain).


Different foods impact on people differently. Polynesian people traditionally didn't eat rice so we probably don't process it as effectively as Asian people, who did. We are also very prone to putting on weight.

Hahaha, yes we are. And yes, I've told her that many times to disbelief, hence doing the little test.

I think Kiribati basically has the worst health in the region due to the switch from a traditional diet to a reliance on imported high carb packaged foods.


American Samoa would have to be one of the worst as well.


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Rice eating can make my weight sky rocket too, one of my Asian friends didn't believe me as she eats it constantly every day for two meals so we did a little test for two weeks where I ate rice as part of my meals and bang, weight increase (I didn't eat the lollies either that entire time just to be certain).


Different foods impact on people differently. Polynesian people traditionally didn't eat rice so we probably don't process it as effectively as Asian people, who did. We are also very prone to putting on weight.

Hahaha, yes we are. And yes, I've told her that many times to disbelief, hence doing the little test.

I think Kiribati basically has the worst health in the region due to the switch from a traditional diet to a reliance on imported high carb packaged foods.


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Just thought I'd bump this thread to see how contributors' quitting of sugar is going. I am still refined sugar free and i am finding it much easier as every day passes. I no longer have any cravings, haven't had any for weeks.


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I replaced sugar with honey years ago. It gets a bit expensive and I don't eat it often but it's all fine. Haven't had actual sugar in years. cut down on high sugar products. Feel pretty good about it. Much better than back in sugar days.


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I replaced sugar with honey years ago. It gets a bit expensive and I eat it often but it's all fine. Haven't had actual sugar in years. cut down on high sugar products. Feel pretty good about it. Much better than back in sugar days.

Honey is arguably worse for you than table sugar since it is comprised entirely of fructose, which goes straight to your liver instead of being used for energy like glucose is.


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Doing a 30 day challenge, only eating meat & eggs for all 30 days.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:39 am 
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Just thought I'd bump this thread to see how contributors' quitting of sugar is going. I am still refined sugar free and i am finding it much easier as every day passes. I no longer have any cravings, haven't had any for weeks.



I ha a long day yesterday, because of awards evening so i cracked on the way home and got Reece's Peanut Butter cups. Still a horrific weakness of mine. Still I allow one bad day a week. Otherwise I had a good week.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:39 am 
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look_spanky wrote:
FullbackAce wrote:
I replaced sugar with honey years ago. It gets a bit expensive and I eat it often but it's all fine. Haven't had actual sugar in years. cut down on high sugar products. Feel pretty good about it. Much better than back in sugar days.

Honey is arguably worse for you than table sugar since it is comprised entirely of fructose, which goes straight to your liver instead of being used for energy like glucose is.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
Doing a 30 day challenge, only eating meat & eggs for all 30 days.


Only? No veg?


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Nieghorn wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Doing a 30 day challenge, only eating meat & eggs for all 30 days.


Only? No veg?


Yup, no veg.

I've done it before upto 5 days.


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why ?


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