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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:17 pm 
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Who is Alex Craig?

Great to see CdP and Scott back. I like Haining but not sure he's done enough same for Tagive. Bennet and Fagerson must be a bit down this morning, I imagine Weir too now theres no Pete Horne.

No Wilson and Horne are a step in the right direction.


Gloucester 2nd row. Had been playing well, not sure about recently.

Bennett is against 3 other guys playing well. It is probably the toughest call across all position groups.


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Big D wrote:
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Who is Alex Craig?

Great to see CdP and Scott back. I like Haining but not sure he's done enough same for Tagive. Bennet and Fagerson must be a bit down this morning, I imagine Weir too now theres no Pete Horne.

No Wilson and Horne are a step in the right direction.


Gloucester 2nd row. Had been playing well, not sure about recently.

Bennett is against 3 other guys playing well. It is probably the toughest call across all position groups.

I can get Bennett not being selected, it's certainly not the glaring omission of, say, Graham previously.


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What does the collective think about Hogg as Captain?

Does he have much experience as Captain?


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Anyone just google Ratu Tagive? Have literally never heard of him, 9 appearances in 4 years for Glasgow :roll:


Lots of injury time in that though. Missed all of last season. Started this season strongly, looks class.

But the fact we have McGuigan, Steyn and him as squad options shows how bare the cupboard is at wing. Seymour is still better than all three.


Agreed, but we have Graham, Maitland and Kinghorn (who has shown he can be a wing/FB) ahead of them, and then Duhan in the summer. The cupboard isn't bare exactly, more that we don't have a lot of good stuff at the back.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:22 pm 
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I think it's hard to give a proper opinion on the captaincy as a supporter. I was taken aback when he got the VC role so this is natural progression.


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One thing that is pleasant about this squad selection is that we're discussing the good players who were left out, rather than the dodgy ones who weren't.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:29 pm 
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VBall wrote:
What does the collective think about Hogg as Captain?

Does he have much experience as Captain?


I suspect he is a good leader off the field having seemingly matured a lot over the last few years. I have nothing really to base that on though.

Whether than transfers to on field leadership is TBD.


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VBall wrote:
What does the collective think about Hogg as Captain?

Does he have much experience as Captain?


Captained Scotland Vs the USA when we eh lost.

Realistically apart from Russell no other option.


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Fagerson and Hutchinson were told what they needed to go away and work on after missing the WC squad. Perhaps Fagerson hasn't done enough of what was asked of him?? Or he's injured.


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Big D wrote:
VBall wrote:
What does the collective think about Hogg as Captain?

Does he have much experience as Captain?


I suspect he is a good leader off the field having seemingly matured a lot over the last few years. I have nothing really to base that on though.

Whether than transfers to on field leadership is TBD.


My only worry is trying to captain a team from 15. Won't be easy, apart from when you're under the sticks after conceding a try. Which Scotland do quite a lot, so all OK there :thumbup: :smug: .


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Big D wrote:
VBall wrote:
What does the collective think about Hogg as Captain?

Does he have much experience as Captain?


I suspect he is a good leader off the field having seemingly matured a lot over the last few years. I have nothing really to base that on though.

Whether than transfers to on field leadership is TBD.


He has certainly matured a great deal, and his place is not under threat. Captaining the side from FB is not ideal, though to be fair that didn't stop Gavin Hastings from going on to captain the Lions.


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It's been confirmed Gray and Thomoson both injured. Apols if RR.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:45 pm 
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It's been confirmed Gray and Thomoson both injured. Apols if RR.

As is Fagerson (fractured rib) so we can all chill out.

Bruce Flockhart also just missed out


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:11 pm 
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OptimisticJock wrote:
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It's been confirmed Gray and Thomoson both injured. Apols if RR.

As is Fagerson (fractured rib) so we can all chill out.

Bruce Flockhart also just missed out


One good game and you just miss out :lol:

The problem of Scottish rugby right there.


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OptimisticJock wrote:
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It's been confirmed Gray and Thomoson both injured. Apols if RR.

As is Fagerson (fractured rib) so we can all chill out.

Bruce Flockhart also just missed out

I'm now in recline mode with a Lagavulin 16


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Seems to be about as good as it gets for a Scotland squad. Doesn't change my pessimism about the upcoming campaign.


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On another note. It's great to see CdP back after that injury. Great effort.


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Smutley wrote:
Seems to be about as good as it gets for a Scotland squad. Doesn't change my pessimism about the upcoming campaign.

I'm enjoying the whisky now. I'll sure need more of it later.


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Smutley wrote:
Seems to be about as good as it gets for a Scotland squad. Doesn't change my pessimism about the upcoming campaign.



Same here. I think it's going to be painful x(


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So we'll be due what, 7 or 8 season ending injuries in this weekend's games on past form?


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Nah, we'll be shite enough without convenient excuses. Everyone fit and firing, we might just about avoid the wooden spoon. :thumbup:


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Grand Slam troops.


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Nah, we'll be shite enough without convenient excuses. Everyone fit and firing, we might just about avoid the wooden spoon. :thumbup:



If we don't I can't wait for the "jApAn sHoUlD rEpLaCe ScOtLaNd iN tHe sIx nAtIoNs" hot takes.


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Smutley wrote:
Seems to be about as good as it gets for a Scotland squad. Doesn't change my pessimism about the upcoming campaign.



Same here. I think it's going to be painful x(


Always a possibility with us. But imagine this back line:

Horne, Russell, Maitland, Scott, Hutchinson, Graham, Hogg

That could scare the shit out of any team, and that’s without considering Jones, Kinghorn, Johnson, Bennett, Price or Taylor.

The forwards are a bit of a different story, to be fair.


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Doc Rob wrote:
Steamin Beamin wrote:
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Seems to be about as good as it gets for a Scotland squad. Doesn't change my pessimism about the upcoming campaign.



Same here. I think it's going to be painful x(


Always a possibility with us. But imagine this back line:

Horne, Russell, Maitland, Scott, Hutchinson, Graham, Hogg

That could scare the shit out of any team, and that’s without considering Jones, Kinghorn, Johnson, Bennett, Price or Taylor.

The forwards are a bit of a different story, to be fair.


I'd prefer Hutchinson/Jones in the centres. But yeah, that backline can play.

Forwards? In the loose the likes of Del, Brown, Fagerson, Cummings, Ritchie, Bradbury, Watson are no mugs and can play the fast and loose game as well as the backs.

It's the dirty work where we fall short. A POM-type bastard or two is what we need. But preferably not as scummy as that.


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clydecloggie wrote:
Doc Rob wrote:
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Seems to be about as good as it gets for a Scotland squad. Doesn't change my pessimism about the upcoming campaign.



Same here. I think it's going to be painful x(


Always a possibility with us. But imagine this back line:

Horne, Russell, Maitland, Scott, Hutchinson, Graham, Hogg

That could scare the shit out of any team, and that’s without considering Jones, Kinghorn, Johnson, Bennett, Price or Taylor.

The forwards are a bit of a different story, to be fair.


I'd prefer Hutchinson/Jones in the centres. But yeah, that backline can play.

Forwards? In the loose the likes of Del, Brown, Fagerson, Cummings, Ritchie, Bradbury, Watson are no mugs and can play the fast and loose game as well as the backs.

It's the dirty work where we fall short. A POM-type bastard or two is what we need. But preferably not as scummy as that.

Ritchie has shown promise there.
Cummings can add some go forward to the middle row.


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I think I read on twitter its 16 embra and 13 weegies selected. That must be the first time in a while embra has had more, even in an extended squad.


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Bloody Hell - I'd no idea Scottish Rugby was so rich.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51109389


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Re Dodson, tbf the SRU has turned around from a financial basket case into being in the black under his leadership. We didn't get a 50% off stadium from the Lottery as the Welsh did.

We'll see how Hogg goes as captain. He tends to be a bit hot-headed but no doubting his passion.

Ofc ourse will need an able deputy for after 20 mins of the Irish game.


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Bloody Hell - I'd no idea Scottish Rugby was so rich.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51109389


It’s considerably richer than it was when he took the job, hence the bumper pay packet. Obviously it’s a stupid amount of money, but in financial terms he has done extremely well. (Not so much in PR terms, but there you have it).


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dargotronV.1 wrote:
clydecloggie wrote:
Doc Rob wrote:
Steamin Beamin wrote:
Smutley wrote:
Seems to be about as good as it gets for a Scotland squad. Doesn't change my pessimism about the upcoming campaign.



Same here. I think it's going to be painful x(


Always a possibility with us. But imagine this back line:

Horne, Russell, Maitland, Scott, Hutchinson, Graham, Hogg

That could scare the shit out of any team, and that’s without considering Jones, Kinghorn, Johnson, Bennett, Price or Taylor.

The forwards are a bit of a different story, to be fair.


I'd prefer Hutchinson/Jones in the centres. But yeah, that backline can play.

Forwards? In the loose the likes of Del, Brown, Fagerson, Cummings, Ritchie, Bradbury, Watson are no mugs and can play the fast and loose game as well as the backs.

It's the dirty work where we fall short. A POM-type bastard or two is what we need. But preferably not as scummy as that.

Ritchie has shown promise there.
Cummings can add some go forward to the middle row.


Ritchie and Crosbie have real potential to be widely hated by non Scots.


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Doc Rob wrote:
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Notable absentees - Pete Horne, Duncan Taylor, and (more worryingly) Richie Gray and Sam Skinner. Sam is just coming back from injury and would have been included otherwise. Richie’s absence really concerns me. We are weak at lock, and if he’s not being selected it suggests Toony is freezing him out due to the events prior to the RWC. We can’t afford this.

Also, I thought CdP had thoroughly blown his chance. What has he done to get back in?


Been very good for Worcester.

Weird squad though. No Matt Fagerson is ridiculous.


Hadn’t noticed no Fagerson. Now that is an odd one given he is precisely the type of player Scotland have lacked in recent years.

Bennett’s omission just down to competition for the centre spots, but still surprising.

Hold on a second. No Ryan Wilson!! Did he get injured or something? Can’t believe Toony would leave him out otherwise!


At international level he will come up against 8s who are just as quick, just as aggressive, just as good ball handlers etc but are 20kgs heavier. Watson is already reducing the bulk in the backrow, Fagerson may have been OK if we had big beasts at 6 and 7 to compensate, but relative to others we don't so he is a luxury we can't afford.

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Ritchie is already half way there. There was some amount of bitching about him on social media during the WC, especially the Japan game. It was great to see.


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Edinburgh01 wrote:
Doc Rob wrote:
I like haggis wrote:
Doc Rob wrote:
Notable absentees - Pete Horne, Duncan Taylor, and (more worryingly) Richie Gray and Sam Skinner. Sam is just coming back from injury and would have been included otherwise. Richie’s absence really concerns me. We are weak at lock, and if he’s not being selected it suggests Toony is freezing him out due to the events prior to the RWC. We can’t afford this.

Also, I thought CdP had thoroughly blown his chance. What has he done to get back in?


Been very good for Worcester.

Weird squad though. No Matt Fagerson is ridiculous.


Hadn’t noticed no Fagerson. Now that is an odd one given he is precisely the type of player Scotland have lacked in recent years.

Bennett’s omission just down to competition for the centre spots, but still surprising.

Hold on a second. No Ryan Wilson!! Did he get injured or something? Can’t believe Toony would leave him out otherwise!


At international level he will come up against 8s who are just as quick, just as aggressive, just as good ball handlers etc but are 20kgs heavier. Watson is already reducing the bulk in the backrow, Fagerson may have been OK if we had big beasts at 6 and 7 to compensate, but relative to others we don't so he is a luxury we can't afford.

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I have just seen that Fagerson is injured. The above opinion still stands however.


It's not just a size issue. CJ Stander is 6kgs heavier, Kieran Reid is 3kgs heavier, Ardie Savea is 5kgs lighter. Magnus Bradbury is heavier than all of those at 115kg. Now obviously there are some beasts out there like Vunipola at 22kgs heavier, but I don't think that is the norm. If Fagerson is being dominated by these guys, I would argue weight isn't the only issue.

[disclaimer] wikipedia weights and heights might be utter bullshit [/disclaimer]


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Ritchie is already half way there. There was some amount of bitching about him on social media during the WC, especially the Japan game. It was great to see.


I long for the same level of seeth about a Scottish forward as Laidlaw used to generate from the backs. If nobody is dropping c-bombs when describing our players, we're missing something.


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Ritchie is already half way there. There was some amount of bitching about him on social media during the WC, especially the Japan game. It was great to see.

Really? What was being said?


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Ritchie is already half way there. There was some amount of bitching about him on social media during the WC, especially the Japan game. It was great to see.


It is slightly odd that what we really want in the team is someone that everybody else detests, but that is 100% the case. Wilson has that attitude but just isn’t quite good enough a player for it to be relevant.


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I also saw Alex Craig described as a hard nasty bastard elsewhere, which might give us another option.


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Here are the ins and outs for the Scotland squad named for the Six Nations compared to the selection for the RWC in Japan.

Also a look at how the conveyor belt for the future looks with a Depth Chart by age.

https://wp.me/p68WtH-8kI


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Toony's said Taylor wasn't picked due to Saracens playing the Sunday before the 6 Nations starts (and so can't make it to most of the squad sessions). Which is interesting. If he's in good enough form to be considered, why not have him in the extended squad so he can be picked for the remaining matches (Saracens' schedule notwithstanding)?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51125848


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