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Any good books on the Oligarchic lootfest that was Russia a couple decades ago?


Look for something called "Nothing is sacred and everything is possible" by Peter Pomerantsev. The title and author might be wrong but they are similar enough if you google them.


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His name is mud in Russia, but the brazenness of the villainy he describes is breathtaking.

I saw a mention of Patrick Leigh Fermor earlier. Anyone interested in his circle would enjoy Outlandish Knight, a biography of Steven Runciman by Minoo Dinshaw. Very entertaining stories of amateur espionage in the Balkans and Levant in the war involving PLF, among many other delights.


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Any good books on the Oligarchic lootfest that was Russia a couple decades ago?


Look for something called "Nothing is sacred and everything is possible" by Peter Pomerantsev. The title and author might be wrong but they are similar enough if you google them.


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His name is mud in Russia, but the brazenness of the villainy he describes is breathtaking.

A shining endorsement. :thumbup:


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Just finished this, and it was absolutely fantastic. A little sympathetic to the Bolsheviks, but who isn't? Having said that, he doesn't hesitate to criticise them either. Extremely readable, and really captures the chaos of 1917.

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Mieville is a top notch writer. Really liked the one with two cities (forget the name)


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Mieville is a top notch writer. Really liked the one with two cities (forget the name)


The City and the City??? Didn't realise until now that 1. Mieville did anything other than sci-fi/fantasy and that he was male.


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Mieville is a top notch writer. Really liked the one with two cities (forget the name)


The City and the City??? Didn't realise until now that 1. Mieville did anything other than sci-fi/fantasy and that he was male.



You'd like this one I reckon


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Read 'all the light we cannot see' over Christmas

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Just finished this, and it was absolutely fantastic. A little sympathetic to the Bolsheviks, but who isn't? Having said that, he doesn't hesitate to criticise them either. Extremely readable, and really captures the chaos of 1917.

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Non-fiction?

City and the City certainly has socialist undertones.


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Non-fiction?

City and the City certainly has socialist undertones.


Yep, it’s non-fiction. He’s really emphasised the narrative though, so I found it hard to put down (well, turn off in my case). Would love to see him tackle the Russian civil war in a similar fashion. It’s quite well researched, too.

I actually listened to it after I noticed I could get it from a free trial on Audible. Because it moves at a fast pace, and is only really dealing with a year or so of history, it translate to audiobook really well.


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Nice, that will sequel really well from the book I was reading on the previous page!


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On the subject of China Mieville I'm finding Embassytown incredibly hard-going, to the point that I've put it to one side. The conceit's brilliant but I can't recall a story where I gave so little of a fuck about the characters or the consequences of the narrative.


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Read 'all the light we cannot see' over Christmas

Excellent


Brilliant book isn’t it. Funny I’m in no way a history nerd and yet a lot of books I love are world war based..birdsong, captain Cordelia, book thief...


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On the subject of China Mieville I'm finding Embassytown incredibly hard-going, to the point that I've put it to one side. The conceit's brilliant but I can't recall a story where I gave so little of a fuck about the characters or the consequences of the narrative.


I've never actually read any of his fiction, but October got me interested. I guess I'll avoid Embassytown :lol:


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I had Mieville recommended to me by so many people but I was thoroughly underwhelmed by The City and The City. I just found his prose painful to read. It all seemed very affected, as if he had been reaching for the thesaurus to painstakingly craft each sentence. Also, none of the characters were interesting in the slightest and the plot was fairly meandering. Very disappointing.


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I really liked his Bas-Lag trilogy.


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Shooting Ghosts

Written by a former US Marine (TJ Brennan) and a war photographer(Finbar Reilly) who met when the latter was embedded with TJs unit in Afghan it tells their stories of the mental ill health issues they both endure after 3 tours and a couple of decades at war. Fins story was, ironically, more interesting to me as I can never get my head round how someone can photograph someone in their worst moments in all good conscience, fin discusses this and his struggle. A decent read if you're interested in the after effects of war.


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1400 pages on my ereader, 1.5 reader page turns ish per page.

Really could have done with some editing. It didn't make it a bad book, or one I wouldn't finish but at times it did drag. Shallan's woe is me POV was done too many times, same with Dalinar's guilt POV, too much on the emotions of Shallan and Dalinar at the expense of others meant that motivations of others are left unconvincing, Moash, Szeth in particular, minor characters but with big impacts. The whole Taravangian thing and how Dalinar dealt or didn't deal with it didn't feel true to character, I assume that will be really picked up in the next book, perhaps the reveal to Dalinar shouldn't have been in this book(reader already knows). Also the who radiants thing is now confusing as to who and how. Not convinced about the mental battle towards the end with Dalinar either bit of a cop out solution to a battle that couldn't be physically won, but maybe by that point I wasn't paying attention. There's a big reveal which was very predictable as even I saw it coming, I assume the fall out from that will form the basis of the next book. However there was some interesting nuggets, spren stuff, Pardenshi (spelling), you get a bit mired with the Alethi's but you do get detours, hope he does more of that in the next.
4/5 or 7.5/10

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Can the Bored Historians assist with pointing me towards the definitive versions of:

1). Europe pre WW11 - Belle Epoch, etc

2). Germany - immediately postwar. Black Market, Marshall Plan, etc

3). Japan - immediately postwar. Black Market, etc


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I am very late to the party but currently reading the rebus novels by Ian Rankin, thoroughly engrossed. I just realised I am reading them in reverse order, purely by accident, just following each kindle recommendation. Rebus is getting younger and healthier by the day!

Also enjoyed SS GB by Len Deighton's over Christmas, loved the descriptions of old london


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The son by phillipp meyer

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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Can the Bored Historians assist with pointing me towards the definitive versions of:

1). Europe pre WW11 - Belle Epoch, etc

2). Germany - immediately postwar. Black Market, Marshall Plan, etc

3). Japan - immediately postwar. Black Market, etc


With regards to 2 I haven't read them, I have them and they're on my reading list and the closest I have to what you're looking for
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Savage-Contine ... +continent
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... UTF8&psc=1
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This came up when looking for links no idea if it's any good was originally published by simon & Schuster so can't be too bad.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Saving-Contine ... BXZBN7G479
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/249 ... -continent
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Magic - thanks boobs!

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Non-fiction?

City and the City certainly has socialist undertones.


Yep, it’s non-fiction. He’s really emphasised the narrative though, so I found it hard to put down (well, turn off in my case). Would love to see him tackle the Russian civil war in a similar fashion. It’s quite well researched, too.

I actually listened to it after I noticed I could get it from a free trial on Audible. Because it moves at a fast pace, and is only really dealing with a year or so of history, it translate to audiobook really well.


I'm sold. Brilliant writer, though wasn't a huge fan of his last book (The Last Days of New Paris). Will give the audible version a shot too, as always wondering around listening to podcasts, so a book would be much the same, I guess.


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And it’s pretty fucken good. About an hour in. About to kick off a revoltution in Australia.


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1400 pages on my ereader, 1.5 reader page turns ish per page.

Really could have done with some editing. It didn't make it a bad book, or one I wouldn't finish but at times it did drag. Shallan's woe is me POV was done too many times, same with Dalinar's guilt POV, too much on the emotions of Shallan and Dalinar at the expense of others meant that motivations of others are left unconvincing, Moash, Szeth in particular, minor characters but with big impacts. The whole Taravangian thing and how Dalinar dealt or didn't deal with it didn't feel true to character, I assume that will be really picked up in the next book, perhaps the reveal to Dalinar shouldn't have been in this book(reader already knows). Also the who radiants thing is now confusing as to who and how. Not convinced about the mental battle towards the end with Dalinar either bit of a cop out solution to a battle that couldn't be physically won, but maybe by that point I wasn't paying attention. There's a big reveal which was very predictable as even I saw it coming, I assume the fall out from that will form the basis of the next book. However there was some interesting nuggets, spren stuff, Pardenshi (spelling), you get a bit mired with the Alethi's but you do get detours, hope he does more of that in the next.
4/5 or 7.5/10

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Holy shit it's finally out! Thanks boobs! About to start on this. I don't care what anyone says NDT is a hero of mine. :thumbup:

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Anybody read this? I took the bait when plugged on the Cracked Podcast (by one of the editors). I'm only halfway through, and while it's not terrific, it's enjoyable though very, very messed up. :)

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Anybody read this? I took the bait when plugged on the Cracked Podcast (by one of the editors). I'm only halfway through, and while it's not terrific, it's enjoyable though very, very messed up. :)

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Haven't read it but I have watched the film about it. Surprisingly good tbh.


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Anything that Niall Ferguson has written

The Ascent of Money is a good starting point.


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"Barren Metal - A History of Capitalism and the conflict between labour and usury" by Professor E Michael Jones.

A very informative, but long (1,456 pages), read.


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Can the Bored Historians assist with pointing me towards the definitive versions of:

1). Europe pre WW11 - Belle Epoch, etc

2). Germany - immediately postwar. Black Market, Marshall Plan, etc

3). Japan - immediately postwar. Black Market, etc


1:

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Sometimes you find a book that completely revises your understanding of history. This is such a book:

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I had taken on board the conventional wisdom that the Portuguese were the interlopers in the Indian Ocean in the 16th Century, while the Ottoman Turks were the defenders of the established order. But that is incorrect; both empires were expanding into the same space. Yes, the Turks were Muslims, but what connection did they have with the Indian Ocean before blowing out the Mameluke Caliphs in 1517? I was fascinated to learn that other Muslim powers - not just the Shi'a Empire in Persia, but Yemen, even Basra - would look to the Portuguese for tactical alliances against the Sublime Porte even while the Ottomans were seeking to put together a trans-oceanic coalition stretching from India to Acheh to balance against the Portuguese.

Staying in the Indian Ocean, this book:

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Gave a really enlightening introduction to how important trade with the Orient really was to the Roman Empire.


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Nieghorn wrote:
Anybody read this? I took the bait when plugged on the Cracked Podcast (by one of the editors). I'm only halfway through, and while it's not terrific, it's enjoyable though very, very messed up. :)

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I read it a few years back. Wasn't bad, but think I expected a lot more because it got talked up as the greatest thing ever by a couple of guys I worked with.


Anyone have any recommendations for books with short-stories or books of anecdotes from war? Not after any war in particular - I just like collections of short tales to pick through between books. Something along the lines of "Letters from Vietnam: Voices of War".


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Demilich wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
Anybody read this? I took the bait when plugged on the Cracked Podcast (by one of the editors). I'm only halfway through, and while it's not terrific, it's enjoyable though very, very messed up. :)

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I read it a few years back. Wasn't bad, but think I expected a lot more because it got talked up as the greatest thing ever by a couple of guys I worked with.


Anyone have any recommendations for books with short-stories or books of anecdotes from war? Not after any war in particular - I just like collections of short tales to pick through between books. Something along the lines of "Letters from Vietnam: Voices of War".

I've probably plugged it before but Medic: Dunkirk to Afghanistan is a cracking read. Pretty much as it sounds, different levels of medics from docs to CMTs spanning a range of conflicts since Dunkirk to present day.


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Demilich wrote:
Anyone have any recommendations for books with short-stories or books of anecdotes from war? Not after any war in particular - I just like collections of short tales to pick through between books. Something along the lines of "Letters from Vietnam: Voices of War".


Might be difficult to find:

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... looking for that image also showed me this! :shock:

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https://archive.org/details/truestoriesofnew00bake


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Non-fiction?

City and the City certainly has socialist undertones.

Here Pat, what did you make of the City and the City? Really thought it fell off badly towards the end when I read it a while back.


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And it’s pretty fucken good. About an hour in. About to kick off a revoltution in Australia.



Glad you're enjoying it mate. CC me into the revolution plz.


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Just finished Mr Life with Mr S. by Sinatra's former butler George Jacobs.

It's a good yarn if you're into stories featuring lots of:

- gossip about big names
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Non-fiction?

City and the City certainly has socialist undertones.

Here Pat, what did you make of the City and the City? Really thought it fell off badly towards the end when I read it a while back.


I never finished it...my E-Reader died and I never reloaded it.

Odd as I always finish books. I'll try it again but I didn't find it as captivating as his earlier work.


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Non-fiction?

City and the City certainly has socialist undertones.

Here Pat, what did you make of the City and the City? Really thought it fell off badly towards the end when I read it a while back.


I never finished it...my E-Reader died and I never reloaded it.

Odd as I always finish books. I'll try it again but I didn't find it as captivating as his earlier work.


Thought the entire book was brilliant. Got me into Miéville, then went and read the Bas-Lag triology which, IMO, are the best fantasy books ever written.


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