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For a straight defamation claim like this the issue is going to be the "set-up."

A lot of judges offer very low sums of money for such cases. Even with two sets of costs. €20k would be higher than many a settlement. Furthermore, not fighting encourages more such claims.

I've long said on here that insurers seem not to want to bother fighting good cases. It's not a matter of simply turning up to win one of these cases. (If only.)

anonymous_joe wrote:

Onelostbear wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:Which crazy judge is going to give somebody €20k for a set up?

One day, PaddyOR, one day.

probably none but insurer would be allowing for legal fees on both side could easily be 5k on each side plus the award. could easily reach 20k.

dealt with a case where claimant was award 10k by injuries board rejected the award. went to court insurer fought the case and won total cost of legal fees just under 11k

That both sides costs?

Unfortunately, PIAB are woefully poor at assessing injuries, meaning you'd normally be negligent to recommend a client accept the offer. Very few insurers will offer a proper sum of damages until sued. Wastes a lot of money.

Would make things a lot cheaper! An awful lot of insurers sit on their hands until proceedings are issued. It'd save them money to stop things happening earlier.

What to we make of this one?

After all the scrotes with 100’s of convictions for violent crimes each getting yet another suspended sentence, we have a judge who circles the wagons for one of the club...

http://www.thejournal.ie/eve-doherty-ga ... 6-Jan2018/

Ludicrous, if anything at all, the woman needs a bit of help.

We really need to be jailing people like this:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/pic ... 04490.html

Even if it's only for a couple of days, I think it'd act as a deterrent.

Why a couple of days?

He has tried to steal 60k and cost the state thousands

Mullet 2 wrote:Why a couple of days?

He has tried to steal 60k and cost the state thousands

Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy for a longer sentence, was just commenting that even the threat of a mild sentence would probably wipe out a lot of these claims.

CM11 wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Why a couple of days?

He has tried to steal 60k and cost the state thousands

Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy for a longer sentence, was just commenting that even the threat of a mild sentence would probably wipe out a lot of these claims.

He was just trying to be too clever should have just mentioned the previous accident would have been fine.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/cou ... 11798.html

Mullet 2 wrote:Why a couple of days?

He has tried to steal 60k and cost the state thousands

The State?

This is the level of gullibility we have to deal with in our judges. A woman was awarded € 28 k in compo for injuries received in a traffic accident. It just happened to be the 6th traffic accident the woman had claimed compo for, and miracle of miracles she received the same injuries in each accident ! I have serious doubts about the particular judges powers of analysis, and certainly his understanding of statistics.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 11798.html

camroc1 wrote:This is the level of gullibility we have to deal with in our judges. A woman was awarded € 28 k in compo for injuries received in a traffic accident. It just happened to be the 6th traffic accident the woman had claimed compo for, and miracle of miracles she received the same injuries in each accident ! I have serious doubts about the particular judges powers of analysis, and certainly his understanding of statistics.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 11798.html

Her relatives and offspring are all scumbag criminals too. I'm sure they're short a few bob.

Good article on the Kerry babies incident.
‘We are all guilty.’ Kerry remembers the babies scandal (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3361358

The extent the guards went to in order to pin it on Joanne Hayes...
Has there ever been an explanation for the falsified confessions from the entire family? Let alone anyone brought to account for it.

anonymous_joe wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Why a couple of days?

He has tried to steal 60k and cost the state thousands

The State?

Yeah, the state.

Whose paying that judge to sit there and listen to this? Or any of the other court officials

Nolanator wrote:

camroc1 wrote:This is the level of gullibility we have to deal with in our judges. A woman was awarded € 28 k in compo for injuries received in a traffic accident. It just happened to be the 6th traffic accident the woman had claimed compo for, and miracle of miracles she received the same injuries in each accident ! I have serious doubts about the particular judges powers of analysis, and certainly his understanding of statistics.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 11798.html

Her relatives and offspring are all scumbag criminals too. I'm sure they're short a few bob.

A good and a bad weekend for her....

The Sun God wrote:

Nolanator wrote:

camroc1 wrote:This is the level of gullibility we have to deal with in our judges. A woman was awarded € 28 k in compo for injuries received in a traffic accident. It just happened to be the 6th traffic accident the woman had claimed compo for, and miracle of miracles she received the same injuries in each accident ! I have serious doubts about the particular judges powers of analysis, and certainly his understanding of statistics.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 11798.html

Her relatives and offspring are all scumbag criminals too. I'm sure they're short a few bob.

A good and a bad weekend for her....

Fucking hell!

Mullet 2 wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Why a couple of days?

He has tried to steal 60k and cost the state thousands

The State?

Yeah, the state.

Whose paying that judge to sit there and listen to this? Or any of the other court officials

The cost would be outweighed by the deterrent effect it will have. If it's harder to fake a claim fewer fake claims will be brought. The problem is, the actual number of false or exaggerated claims just isn't as Hugh as insurers or papers want you to think. There are still only two thirds the claims being made now as thee were pre recession.

I don't get your point re the deterrent.

Myself and Statto are saying he has got away easy.

Nolanator wrote:
Fucking hell!

Too much.....

No

Mullet 2 wrote:I don't get your point re the deterrent.

Myself and Statto are saying he has got away easy.

You don't need to punish people, other than costs, just show they can't claim without proof.

Uncle Fester wrote:Good article on the Kerry babies incident.
‘We are all guilty.’ Kerry remembers the babies scandal (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3361358

The extent the guards went to in order to pin it on Joanne Hayes...
Has there ever been an explanation for the falsified confessions from the entire family? Let alone anyone brought to account for it.

'kin hell. Superfecundation?

anonymous_joe wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:I don't get your point re the deterrent.

Myself and Statto are saying he has got away easy.

You don't need to punish people, other than costs, just show they can't claim without proof.

And if they can't afford the costs?

They're normally not. But it will stop either them or others bringing claims if they're left with a huge bill.

To put this in context, most of my colleagues who do criminal law will tell you clients would rather prison than a fine. Enforcing the full of amount of costs isn't going to happen, but you can garnishee a salary, etc, if you want. Most Insurers don't bother because it doesn't benefit them.

I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

The Sun God wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

A paltry 100k?

The Sun God wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

She is getting locked up because she's a scumbag thief.

The Sun God wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

Allegedly the Public Services Card has made a huge difference, not just in catching those claiming several times, but more in the numbers stopping claiming for no apparent reason other than the introduction of the card.

The Sun God wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

The Sun God wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

She might be borderline elderly now but she was 45 when she started the crime.

Uncle Fester wrote:

The Sun God wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

She might be borderline elderly now but she was 45 when she started the crime.

I would be the last person to stand up for a thief or fraudster but I think a bit of charity might have been shown in this case.She is going to prison not because she stole 110K over a 15 year period but because she hasn't the means to pay it back.

So only wealthy people should go to jail while poor people doing the same crime should be let off?

Sorry mate, you're all over the place today.

The Sun God wrote:

Uncle Fester wrote:

The Sun God wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

She might be borderline elderly now but she was 45 when she started the crime.

I would be the last person to stand up for a thief or fraudster but I think a bit of charity might have been shown in this case.She is going to prison not because she stole 110K over a 15 year period but because she hasn't the means to pay it back.

It would seem not.

She's scum.

The Sun God wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

The Sun God wrote:I am very much in the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' camp but the mind boggles at the stupidity and injustice of this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 32597.html

What's the problem here? Aside from the sentence being too short.

I don't see how the greater society benefits by locking up an elderly woman over a paltry 100k. Had she the wherewithal to repay that money, her sentence would have been suspended. She is getting locked up because she is poor. What about that culchie fcuk last week in Galway? Kills a man and seriously injures 2 police officers while driving pissed out his head......no jail time, Why ?... because his family is well connected in Galway. Compare and contrast the two cases and tell me which is the lesser of the two evils.

Do you mean the case where the victim's wife asked for him to be spared jail? And the judge noted that was a serious factor in the sentence he was handing down?

She was earning 160 a week and claiming 140 she wasn't entitled to. Which bumped her up to pulling in less than 16K a year.

Yes, she's committed a crime over an extended period of time and deserves punishment. I just don't see her spending 10 months in jail as justice.

Social welfare fraud is a massive drain on the exchequer, it need to be stopped and fraudsters punished.
That's what a lot of social welfare frauds look like. It's not all Martin Cahill claiming the dole.

Nolanator wrote:Social welfare fraud is a massive drain on the exchequer, it need to be stopped and fraudsters punished.
That's what a lot of social welfare frauds look like. It's not all Martin Cahill claiming the dole.

Social welfare fraud AND overpayments due to clerical error was reported at 1.1 Million a week in 2016. When you take into account that social welfare spend was 19.8 Billion in 2016, the narrative that fraudsters are ruining our economy is bollix.

And yes, that's what social welfare fraudsters look like. People who are trying to keep themselves and their families together. Of course there's Martin Cahills and the like but there's also mothers of four who are trying to keep a roof over their family's head. 16k a year isn't exactly rolling in it.