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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:47 am 
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Here's one that should get Wag going.
Stuf about the salaries is wibble though.

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APPOINTMENTS to the Supreme Court are "purely political", one of the country's most senior judges has claimed.
Mr Justice Peter Kelly, also said the Judicial Appointments Advisory Board (JAAB), designed to take the filling of judicial posts out of the political arena, "doesn't really work".

The Irish Independent revealed last year that at least a third of the country's judges had personal or political links to political parties before being appointed to the bench.

The JAAB was introduced in 1995 to take politics out of the judicial appointments process, but the Cabinet still picks appointments from a list supplied by the JAAB, whose recommendations the Government may legally ignore.

In a wide-ranging interview with 'The Parchment', the magazine of the Dublin Solicitor's Bar Association (DSBA), Mr Justice Kelly -- head of the Commercial Court -- said there should be an independent body to appoint judges.

The tough-talking judge, who has ruled out ever going to the Supreme Court, also claimed some people who would make excellent judges were "passed over" in favour of others who were not so well qualified.

Mr Justice Kelly, the former 'children's champion' who in October 2000 warned three government ministers they could be held in contempt of court unless they found a suitable secure unit for a troubled teenager, told 'The Parchment' he didn't find the life of a Supreme Court judge in the slightest bit attractive.


"It's purely political in any event, the appointments to that court, and I never had any politics," said Mr Justice Kelly, adding that he accepted an invitation to the bench by the then Attorney General in 1996 when the JAAB first became operational.

"I always thought the ideal age for the bench was 50. I was 46 then, so I was some years short of that. On the other hand, in the absence of political involvement, was I ever going to get the opportunity again?"

A former civil servant, Mr Justice Kelly defended his colleagues from criticism about their pay and pensions and said many judges were experiencing "real suffering" during the recession and some could not afford to take a voluntary pay cut in lieu of the mandatory pension levy imposed on all public sector workers three years ago.

Mr Justice Kelly, head of the new Association of Judges of Ireland (AJI), revealed that judges were hugely "demoralised" in the wake of the furore over their exemption from the mandatory pension levy introduced three years ago -- leading to the formation of the AJI.

The initial slow uptake by judges of a voluntary pay cut led to calls for, and the eventual holding of, a referendum to allow judges' pay to be cut.

Previously, judges pay could not be reduced during their term of office, but the poll to cut judges' pay was overwhelmingly passed by the electorate last year.

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Mr Justice Kelly (62) defended the role of judges in the pay debacle, saying there was too much emphasis on the 15pc of judges who did not pay a pension levy compared to the 85pc who did.

"To get 85pc of people to do anything on a voluntary basis is not easy," he said. "To get 85pc to sign up when there was real suffering for some was even harder. I feel that very little recognition was given to that (85pc) and too much focus was on the 15pc."

Mr Justice Kelly, who said that he had presided over heart-rending cases and "seen lives ruined as a result of enormous borrowings" said that the 15pc of judges who did not take a voluntary pay cut consisted of some people who wouldn't pay it and some who couldn't pay it.

Last week the Irish Independent revealed several senior judges are among those who lost at least €250,000 each in a massive investment company collapse.

A prominent High Court judge and at least two of his colleagues on the bench are confirmed to have lost money in an investment company which -- unknown to them -- was being run like an elaborate pyramid or Ponzi scheme.

The fallout from the collapse of investment firm Custom House Capital (CHC) is sending shockwaves through Ireland's elite.

Many members of the legal profession invested in property syndicates and are suffering heavy losses on their investments.


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The fallout from the collapse of investment firm Custom House Capital (CHC) is sending shockwaves through Ireland's elite.

Many members of the legal profession invested in property syndicates and are suffering heavy losses on their investments.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Makes me smile every time.

Kelly is one of the good guys and even he is an insufferably arrogant prick

Judges union :lol: :lol:
what a bunch of cocks They make Hospital consultants look like beacons of Humility

I'd have them all out on the street in the mornin
We could redeploy some Council workers and HSE beauraucrats to get the job done better, cheaper and faster.

There'd be a whole lot less law and a whole lot more justice


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Well at least we know none of our cabinet have links with Opus Dei if Peter is cribbing about not getting onto the SC bench.


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Well at least we know none of our cabinet have links with Opus Dei if Peter is cribbing about not getting onto the SC bench.


And thank the deity of your choice for that. :lol:


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Raises an interesting dilemma, you could have a bankrupt judge making another judge bankrupt.
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waguser wrote:
We could redeploy some Council workers and HSE beauraucrats to get the job done better, cheaper and faster.

There'd be a whole lot less law and a whole lot more justice


But not on their tea-breaks, or on sick-days, or on privilege days, or when the moon is in Aquarius,....... In any case where would you get H&S sign-off on a Magnum 45?


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http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/car-dealer-avoids-jail-for-sexually-assaulting-two-nieces-3249984.html

So a Judge who jailed a guy for 8 years for tax evasion gives a guy a suspended sentence for sexual assault.

I can only imagine that for some reason the judge has more empathy for sexual offenders than tax dodgers


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http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/car-dealer-avoids-jail-for-sexually-assaulting-two-nieces-3249984.html

So a Judge who jailed a guy for 8 years for tax evasion gives a guy a suspended sentence for sexual assault.

I can only imagine that for some reason the judge has more empathy for sexual offenders than tax dodgers


Tax dodgers effect him directly. If no one paid tax this pillar of society would have to work for a living.


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15 grand is the price of a sexual assault it seems. Fucker has a couple of previous convictions too.

Worth noting that Martin Nolan spared another man jail a couple of months ago who drank a rake of pints, drove the wrong way down the Naas dual carriageway and killed a man in a car crash.


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The court heard he is a father of four and runs a successful car dealership.


I imagine one of these things will not be true much longer. You'd have to reckon his best bet would be to sell while there's still enough of a customer base to attract a buyer.



Reading the article, it's not abuse of minors, there's no suggestion of violence; you can't condone any of it, but it's not nearly on the scale of some priests or swim coaches we've heard about.

How much tax did the fella evade to get 8 years?


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The court heard he is a father of four and runs a successful car dealership.


I imagine one of these things will not be true much longer. You'd have to reckon his best bet would be to sell while there's still enough of a customer base to attract a buyer.



Reading the article, it's not abuse of minors, there's no suggestion of violence; you can't condone any of it, but it's not nearly on the scale of some priests or swim coaches we've heard about.

How much tax did the fella evade to get 8 years?


€1.6 million

the fact is many judges are appallingly poor when it comes to protecting women or childre from rape or sexual abuse
hundreds of years of bad precedent have led to a disgusting lack of respect for victims


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:44 pm 
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15 grand is the price of a sexual assault it seems. Fucker has a couple of previous convictions too.

Worth noting that Martin Nolan spared another man jail a couple of months ago who drank a rake of pints, drove the wrong way down the Naas dual carriageway and killed a man in a car crash.



I know you're going down a dangerous road with electing judges, but surely someone has to be able to find this plum Nolan inadequate. It really beggars belief.


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He Man Rugger Pints wrote:
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15 grand is the price of a sexual assault it seems. Fucker has a couple of previous convictions too.

Worth noting that Martin Nolan spared another man jail a couple of months ago who drank a rake of pints, drove the wrong way down the Naas dual carriageway and killed a man in a car crash.



I know you're going down a dangerous road with electing judges, but surely someone has to be able to find this plum Nolan inadequate. It really beggars belief.


The worst thing is, it fits fairly nicely in the sentencing guidelines.

It's a joke really.

This is why the judges want their own disciplinary thingy.


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This entire case has really angered me, the judge and the jury need to have a long, hard look at themselves.

CRATLOE FARMER AVOIDS JAIL OVER BUNRATTY DEATH

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1 November, 2012 - 15:53 Crime and Court
A farmer convicted of careless driving following the death of an elderly German Tourist in Bunratty has avoided a custodial sentence.
57 year old John Boyce, from Moyhill, Cratloe was found Not Guilty of dangerous driving causing the death of 76 year old Inge Schmidt two years ago, but was given a fine of 1,250 euro today on the lesser charge of careless driving.
At Ennis Circuit Court today, Judge Gerald Keyes noted aggravating factors in the crime including the condition of John Boyce’s 1980 Massey fergusson tractor in that it had no wipers on what was a rainy day in Bunratty - Octboer 29th - 2010
He also noted that the deceased German victim was on a well signed pedestrian crossing and Mr Boyce did not see Inge Schmidt at all.
In mitigation though, Judge Keyes said speed or drink were not factors in the case and heard that Mr Boyce- is "a hard working family man - has no previous convictions and has shown deep remorse."
He ruled that a custodial sentence was not justified as he imposed a fine of 1,250 euro and though he said he would normally impose a driving ban to reflect the seriousness of Mr Boyce’s inattentive driving, he considered evidence that the Cratloe farmers lands are fragmented - and said that banning him from driving would be akin to taking the tools from a carpenter away from him.
Ordering Mr Boyce not to drive the Massey Fergusson until all of its faults are corrected Judge keys was told that the tractor will be disposed of.


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€5k is the cost of beating the shit out of your partner

what a shitbag of a judge

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1115/1224326608363.html


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Judges seem to be using compensation more and more, reckon their hands are tied as there simply isn't enough prison places. We have about 7000 in prison, this is simply not enough.

If we had 25,000 places, custodial sentences would be far more realistic and appropriate for the crime. Bear in mind there is probably an active career criminal population of between 50-100 thousand in this country.


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Carney seems pretty clued in, can he not just hear every case?


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Judges seem to be using compensation more and more, reckon their hands are tied as there simply isn't enough prison places. We have about 7000 in prison, this is simply not enough.

If we had 25,000 places, custodial sentences would be far more realistic and appropriate for the crime. Bear in mind there is probably an active career criminal population of between 50-100 thousand in this country.


yeah

they seem to reserve the compensation for sexual and physical assaults by middle class men on women

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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0227/breaking60.html

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A District Court judge claimed she was not guilty today when she was charged by fraud squad detectives with false accounting and theft.

Judge Heather Perrin (60) was appointed to the Dublin District Court bench in February 2009 after practising as a solicitor for 26 years.

Before she was made a judge, she ran a law firm at Fairview Strand, in Dublin 3.

This afternoon, Judge Perrin, who has an address at Lambay Court, Malahide, Dublin, was arrested by detectives from the Garda Bureau of Fraud Investigation.

She was brought before Judge Denis McLoughlin at Dublin District Court and faced two charges under the Theft and Fraud Offences Act.

The first charge states she allegedly stole €4,416 from Gareth Gilroy, between May 1st, 2006 and July 31st 2007.

The second charge alleges that between May 25th, 2004 until February 2nd, 2009, at a location in Dublin, she dishonestly - to make a gain for herself and to cause a loss to another - made use of an account or document which to her knowledge was or could have been misleading, false or deceptive
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don't worry though I'd say she might get off......

Judges don't convict fellow Judges


Turns out I was wrong.

The Jury convicted her.
Lets see what sentence her fellow judge gives. Probation I'd say.

Oh and she is still on sick leave and we are paying her.
So a Judge convicted of Fraud is on full pay pending mostions in both houses of the oireachtas to remove her.

She's from Malahide.

The other interesting part of the case is that it was the solicitors who ytook over her case load that reported her.

I wonder who she has screwed over to be the subject of such unusual scrutiny from her legakl colleagues


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She got 2.5 years. Didn't see that coming.


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She got 2.5 years. Didn't see that coming.


When you step back and think of what she's been convicted of 2.5 years is pretty light.


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She got 2.5 years. Didn't see that coming.


When you step back and think of what she's been convicted of 2.5 years is pretty light.


She'll also be drummed out of all her professional associations and won't be able to work again.


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She got 2.5 years. Didn't see that coming.


When you step back and think of what she's been convicted of 2.5 years is pretty light.


She'll also be drummed out of all her professional associations and won't be able to work again.


Well she'd already resigned.

Was fully expecting a suspended sentence or a fine or some shit but I'd say justice has been done.


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camroc1 wrote:
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She got 2.5 years. Didn't see that coming.


When you step back and think of what she's been convicted of 2.5 years is pretty light.


She'll also be drummed out of all her professional associations and won't be able to work again.


Surely that's a minimum? She'll also get a smaller pension than she would have if she'd been a judge for five years but still, fairly heartless and colossal thing she tried.


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JoeyFantastic wrote:
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She got 2.5 years. Didn't see that coming.


When you step back and think of what she's been convicted of 2.5 years is pretty light.


She'll also be drummed out of all her professional associations and won't be able to work again.


Surely that's a minimum? She'll also get a smaller pension than she would have if she'd been a judge for five years but still, fairly heartless and colossal thing she tried.

Which is why she's now 'up in the womens prison'.


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Max is 5 so surprised at 2.5 especially given her health issues. I was expecting a suspended at most. Colour me surprised.


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In fairness, she humiliated the judiciary and solicitors. She was always going to get a harsh punishment.


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In fairness, she humiliated the judiciary and solicitors. She was always going to get a harsh punishment.

Who appointed her a judge anyway?


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In fairness, she humiliated the judiciary and solicitors. She was always going to get a harsh punishment.

Who appointed her a judge anyway?


Not a clue, tbh.


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I presume that the victim wasn't "out of pocket" in the Perrin case?


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Heather Perrin was nominated by the then Government for appointment to the District Court on 16 October 2008 and appointed by the President on 12 February 2009. The issue which is the subject of the criminal proceedings was drawn to the attention of the Department by letter on 14 April 2010 and forwarded to the Garda Commissioner.
The listing of judges is a matter for the President of the relevant court. Judge Perrin last sat in the District Court in June 2010 and it is understood she has not been listed for sitting by the President of the District Court since that time and has been on medical leave. Under Article 35.5 of the Constitution, a judge’s salary may not be reduced except in the specific circumstances approved in last year’s Referendum on Judges’ Pay. There is, therefore, no legal provision to withhold a judge’s pay while on sick leave. Her salary ceased with effect from the date of her resignation, i.e., 26 November 2012.
Under the Constitution the pension entitlements of a judge are regulated by legislation which is the responsibility of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. There is no legal provision for these pensions to be withheld or refused.
Twenty years service is required for a full pension in the District Court and a pro rata pension may be paid after five years if retiring on established medical grounds. However, under the Pensions Act 1990 (as amended) a person who has served a minimum of two years is entitled to apply for a preserved pension on reaching 65 years.
Alternatively, a judge over the age of 60 who has served a minimum of two years may apply for Cost Neutral Early Retirement (provided for in the Public Service Pensions (Single Scheme and Other Provisions) Act 2012). Under this scheme benefits are payable immediately subject to cost neutral reduction on an actuarial basis.

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15 grand is the price of a sexual assault it seems. Fucker has a couple of previous convictions too.

Worth noting that Martin Nolan spared another man jail a couple of months ago who drank a rake of pints, drove the wrong way down the Naas dual carriageway and killed a man in a car crash.


thought it was 75k in the case of that aircraft leasing company owner ? or is this the only area where there's means testing in Ireland ? looks like the DPP are appealing the leniency of it, will be interesting


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danthefan wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
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Duff Paddy wrote:
She got 2.5 years. Didn't see that coming.


When you step back and think of what she's been convicted of 2.5 years is pretty light.


She'll also be drummed out of all her professional associations and won't be able to work again.


Well she'd already resigned.

Was fully expecting a suspended sentence or a fine or some shit but I'd say justice has been done.


presumably still getting a pension though....as in irish public life regarding employment contracts there's only one party with performance obligations ...ie the state forking out


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50,000 get penalty points cases written off



Potential €1.5m cost as judges, journalists and gardai escape fines

MANY former and serving gardai are among those who had penalty points illegally written off, a dossier compiled by a whistleblower shows.

The Comptroller and Auditor General has been made aware of the cancellations, which could conservatively cost the State €1.5m in lost revenue.

The allegations that 50,000 penalty points cases were quashed by gardai over a three-year period, also reveal that two judges, at least two journalists, one in the print media and the other with RTE, an international rugby player, and an RTE television presenter were among those who benefited from the practice.

Some of the "numerous" cases of gardai who had their penalty points cancelled were off duty or were senior officers who had left the force.

Names of some of those involved may be outed in the Dail on Tuesday when independents including Clare Daly and Mick Wallace raise the issue. So far the Garda Commissioner Martin Callinan has appointed assistant commissioner John O'Mahoney to examine the allegations which have been made about the cancellation of road traffic offences. He said there was no question of what has been described as a culture of non-enforcement of penalties being tolerated by the gardai.

The commissioner emphasised that the allegations generally appear to be based solely on an examination of the garda PULSE computer records.

"In other words, allegations of impropriety are made without it being clear how the person making them would have complete knowledge as to what led to decisions being taken in particular cases or being in a position to assess properly whether the decisions made were appropriate.

"In those circumstances it is very unfair both to members of the Force, and to the people who were the subject of the notices to assert wrongdoing in the absence of a determination of the full facts."

However, yesterday Conor Faughnan of the AA said he had seen the evidence first-hand.

"This is a very serious issue and senior gardai must accept the seriousness of this, which undermines public confidence in road safety and the penalty points system.

"The priority is that it stops from now, that it does not happen any more, and that is a bigger priority then raking over the coals of individual cases."

Mr Faughnan went on: "I do not believe this is corruption, but institutionalised bad practice that has become custom and habit over the years."

He said he had no problem with gardai cancelling penalty points providing the system was properly monitored and it was not done on a whim. The priority was to clean it up and if that was done that should be the end of the matter.

Gardai superintendents have the power to cancel penalty points if it is shown they were issued in error, or if there are extenuating circumstances involved, such as a medical emergency. They can intervene if written to by a motorist who wishes to appeal the points levied against them.

However, another source who had examined the dossier was also convinced that the allegations are true and said even if 20,000 of the 50,000 cases were illegally cancelled, that would mean a loss of the State at €80 each of €1.6m.

It was also learned that the office of the Comptroller and Auditor General was alerted to the issue, along with the Departments of Transport and Justice after the garda sergeant whistleblower came forward, contacting his own superiors and the Road Safety Authority.

Noel Brett, CEO of the RSA, said his organisation received the dossier and brought it to the attention of the Gardai, the Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission and the Comptroller and Auditor General within days.

Some Dail independents have called for a public inquiry, while another source who read the dossier said more than 10 per cent of the penalty points issued could have been cancelled by gardai.

- DON LAVERY

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Sure, aren't we a great auld country!


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Sure, aren't we a great auld country!

Very simple solution. Go into the Pulse logs and check who wrote off the points. Oh wait they can't because it would mean sacking half the supers in the country


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Apparently penalty points were being taken off before people even knew they had them.


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http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0121/patrick-o-brien-rape.html

So this man was found guilty of raping his daughter weekly for a decade from her pre teens

the judge gave him 12 years

suspended 9

and released him on bail pending an appeal.

He cited the illness of the defendant as the reason.

What a f**king shitbag of a judge


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Wag, just pipped me to the post on Justice Paul Carney.. he's a menace to society


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:44 pm 
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Carney is one of the toughest judges in the country :?


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