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Rugby has moved to punish manipulation of uncontested scrums by stripping teams of a player.

Uncontested scrums are a rare sight but if teams involved in this year's Super Rugby lose four of their six front-rowers to injury, or three of their four props, they will have to play the remainder of the match with 14 men.

The only exception will be if front-rowers leave the field due to a head injury assessment or blood related knock.

Should a team lose two props to injury and one more to a yellow or red card, they will then be forced to play with 13 players.

In the case of a yellow card, the team will be restored to 15 players after the 10 minute period in the bin.

The purpose of the crackdown is to avoid situations such as the controversy surrounding Chiefs prop Siate Tokolahi and the uncontested scrums in a match against the Hurricanes last year.

With the Chiefs struggling to win their ball from scrums, Tokolahi left the field late. The Chiefs then claimed replacement prop Siegfried Fisi'ihoi could not play tighthead which forced uncontested scrums. This played a hand in the Chiefs clinging on for a 28-27 victory.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11998236


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:34 am 
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The only exception will be if front-rowers leave the field due to a head injury assessment or blood related knock

I see an opportunity for some consulting work for the French management team..


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The only exception will be if front-rowers leave the field due to a head injury assessment or blood related knock

I see an opportunity for some consulting work for the French management team..

What could possibly go wrong?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:05 am 
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I thought this was the case anyway. I recall a couple of years ago Edinburgh having an argument with officials as they sent on a hooker to play LH as they'd run out of props. The rationale being that otherwise they'd have to take a back off.

The hooker in question has played LH below pro level so it was not that daft and he did a decent job.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:11 am 
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I thought this was the case anyway. I recall a couple of years ago Edinburgh having an argument with officials as they sent on a hooker to play LH as they'd run out of props. The rationale being that otherwise they'd have to take a back off.

The hooker in question has played LH below pro level so it was not that daft and he did a decent job.


The situation when a player gets carded remains basically the same as it was, it's for injuries that it changes


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:45 pm 
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Does this apply only when there is a need for an uncontested scrums or regardless of whether there is another scrum in the game?

If the latter, then it seem a little punitive. A team could genuinely be unlucky enough to lose three props to injury and not gain any advantage from that if there are no more scrums. Yet still have to play with 14 men. Seems like rubbing salt into the wound.

Or a fantastic way of ensuring that injured players try and come back and on and risk further injury.


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Does this apply only when there is a need for an uncontested scrums or regardless of whether there is another scrum in the game?

If the latter, then it seem a little punitive. A team could genuinely be unlucky enough to lose three props to injury and not gain any advantage from that if there are no more scrums. Yet still have to play with 14 men. Seems like rubbing salt into the wound.

Or a fantastic way of ensuring that injured players try and come back and on and risk further injury.


surely with 7 subs there are enough to cover all the front row ?
3 prop injuries in a game would be unfortunate but I think probably quite rare.
Perhaps they should have an 8th sub that has to be a prop, and can only come on if you've already lost 3 props to injury ?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:39 pm 
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Glad the Brumbies have Sio that can play Hooker in a pinch, as well as NRMA and Benny A who can play both sides of the scrum.


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Very overdue, well done Soup Admin. :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:51 pm 
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4071 wrote:
Does this apply only when there is a need for an uncontested scrums or regardless of whether there is another scrum in the game?

If the latter, then it seem a little punitive. A team could genuinely be unlucky enough to lose three props to injury and not gain any advantage from that if there are no more scrums. Yet still have to play with 14 men. Seems like rubbing salt into the wound.

Or a fantastic way of ensuring that injured players try and come back and on and risk further injury.


surely with 7 subs there are enough to cover all the front row ?
3 prop injuries in a game would be unfortunate but I think probably quite rare.
Perhaps they should have an 8th sub that has to be a prop, and can only come on if you've already lost 3 props to injury ?


Great idea, we should go to 8 subs with a full front row on the bench. :thumbup:
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