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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:07 am 
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What is the talk in the French press, who are they favouring to take over?
The consensus is more like whomever would get the job it would not change the outcome, and also everyone realizes they won't change 6 month before a WC.

I think it has sunken deep in everyone's mind now that we have become a second division side at international level. Which is good, always useful to face reality and stop distorting the facts.


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Nick Mallet anyone?

Good coach, but he has been out of the game for a while now.

Cotter seems like a good fit. He achieved quite a bit with Scotland imo.


That was a bit ironic given that his spell in France did not go so well.

Joe Schmidt had a good spell at Clermont, working with Vern Cotter. He is the one I'd like France to seduce.

What is the talk in the French press, who are they favouring to take over?

Mignoni Lyon coach now

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There must be a reason Macalou is so far in the pecking order. I haven't watched enough of him to answer that question.

Yes.

There is a reason the selectors think Parra and Serin :lol: are better than Dupont too. :D


The same reason that some posters on this forum thought that Bezy was a great player in the making probably...Nobody is perfect...

He was. He was ruined by Noves like so many other towards the end of the senile one's tenure.


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Penaud has been moved to the wing (like Iturria to flanker) at the request of the French staff. Azema cooperates with the French team

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And you wonder why the clubs all too often tell the FFR to **** off and won't co-operate with them.


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And so, who are the fantastic french wings that Brunel the idiot do not want to pick ?

I do wonder if part of the problem is some mental damage amongst French fans which is actually the same deficiency inherent in players and staff.

How many times does it have to be said, executed and proven by the whole world before the French get the message
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Rugby is a sport for specialists. The back 3 was composed of converted players. England knew it, and Owen Farrell slaughtered them with kicks of all kinds.

It doesn't matter if you don't have fantastic anything; you pick the best specialists you have for the position. FFS, is that so hard for you all to grasp?

Locks in the backrow, flankers at 8, wingers at FB, centres on the wing, SHs at FH in a RWC FFS. I assume you all recall what happened when Italy played Bergamasaco at SH? AT least that wasn't a Fre coach making that insane blunder. The arrogance that makes you think you can switch specialist positions at a whim when you haven't even bothered to master the skills for your primary position.

Keep going. France will end up 20th in the world at this rate. But hey, you'll have the market cornered in polyvalents. :thumbup:


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
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And so, who are the fantastic french wings that Brunel the idiot do not want to pick ?

I do wonder if part of the problem is some mental damage amongst French fans which is actually the same deficiency inherent in players and staff.

How many times does it have to be said, executed and proven by the whole world before the French get the message
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Rugby is a sport for specialists. The back 3 was composed of converted players. England knew it, and Owen Farrell slaughtered them with kicks of all kinds.

It doesn't matter if you don't have fantastic anything; you pick the best specialists you have for the position. FFS, is that so hard for you all to grasp?

Locks in the backrow, flankers at 8, wingers at FB, centres on the wing, SHs at FH in a RWC FFS. I assume you all recall what happened when Italy played Bergamasaco at SH? AT least that wasn't a Fre coach making that insane blunder. The arrogance that makes you think you can switch specialist positions at a whim when you haven't even bothered to master the skills for your primary position.

Keep going. France will end up 20th in the world at this rate. But hey, you'll have the market cornered in polyvalents. :thumbup:


Can you check how many times Daly, the english full back has played full back for his club this season ?


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Can you check how many times Daly, the english full back has played full back for his club this season ?

The clue there, in case you are struggling with it, is in the word "club".

Clubs have limited resources and sometimes, surprise, they have to make compromises. A national coach has the whole f***king country to select from so should not be handicapped by positional shortages in somewhere like France. Wales? Yeah, they have had times where they only had 3 tight heads in the county and so any injuries were a disaster.

You can keep rooting around for outlier exceptions to the rule all you like. It just makes you as irrational as the French selectors. :thumbup:

{EDIT} PS, Daly is not a FB. He is a liability there but, for whatever reason, Eng seems to have no decent FBs now that Brown is past it. It happens. Same reason Ireland played Henshaw at FB in week 1.


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
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Can you check how many times Daly, the english full back has played full back for his club this season ?

The clue there, in case you are struggling with it, is in the word "club".

Clubs have limited resources and sometimes, surprise, they have to make compromises. A national coach has the whole f***king country to select from so should not be handicapped by positional shortages in somewhere like France. Wales? Yeah, they have had times where they only had 3 tight heads in the county and so any injuries were a disaster.

You can keep rooting around for outlier exceptions to the rule all you like. It just makes you as irrational as the French selectors. :thumbup:

{EDIT} PS, Daly is not a FB. He is a liability there but, for whatever reason, Eng seems to have no decent FBs now that Brown is past it. It happens. Same reason Ireland played Henshaw at FB in week 1.

So now can you check in what positions Ben Smith has played, and how many times for the All Blacks ? Always fullback ? Always wing ? Always center ? When you are good, you are good. Blanco started in the wing as Sella.


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So now can you check in what positions Ben Smith has played, and how many times for the All Blacks ? Always fullback ? Always wing ? Always center ? When you are good, you are good. Blanco started in the wing as Sella.

Ben Smith is a consummate footballer. A rare genius and so can play both positions BUT you'll find few keewees who don't think he should be at FB. Hansen obviously feels that the slight loss of playing Smith on the wing is outweighed by accommodating others at FB.

But you have answered your own point! If you are that good (which is very, very rare), you can play out of position. It doesn't alter the fact that you will still have a better position. Blanco was a different era: when FBs didn't have to defend. He'd be a liability if he played the modern game even if he was at his peak.

So, now you point to me how many very rare geniuses are playing in France that you can afford to play them out of position? Because from where I am sitting, in most positions the specialists don't even have the fitness or skills to compete at intl level. And yes, players can transition with proper coaching but on the basis that French coaches can't even teach players to catch a high ball, I don't hold out hope for you migrating many.


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So now can you check in what positions Ben Smith has played, and how many times for the All Blacks ? Always fullback ? Always wing ? Always center ? When you are good, you are good. Blanco started in the wing as Sella.

Ben Smith is a consummate footballer. A rare genius and so can play both positions BUT you'll find few keewees who don't think he should be at FB. Hansen obviously feels that the slight loss of playing Smith on the wing is outweighed by accommodating others at FB.

But you have answered your own point! If you are that good (which is very, very rare), you can play out of position. It doesn't alter the fact that you will still have a better position. Blanco was a different era: when FBs didn't have to defend. He'd be a liability if he played the modern game even if he was at his peak.

So, now you point to me how many very rare geniuses are playing in France that you can afford to play them out of position? Because from where I am sitting, in most positions the specialists don't even have the fitness or skills to compete at intl level. And yes, players can transition with proper coaching but on the basis that French coaches can't even teach players to catch a high ball, I don't hold out hope for you migrating many.


And so, who are the super specialists wings that you would pick for France right now ?


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And so, who are the super specialists wings that you would pick for France right now ?

Why do you insist in throwing in superlative adjectives? They are redundant. It matters not one iota whether France has super wings or sh*t wings. France has wings and should be selecting wings for that role; and not centres and especially not the centres who, on form, are probably the best centres and so should have started there.

If you don't know which players are wingers and eligible for France, I can point you to the LNR site.


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I'm with Torq on this one. Back three is short of quality right now, but I'd rather have position specialists than possibly better players but in a role they haven't been mainly training for. Don't care if you throw Dulin, Bonneval or Spedding at 15 for example, none looks like a world-beater that other sides all wished they had, but all three are good players and can do a job. I'm no fan of Huget, but having him to play at 15 on the international stage and be such a targeted weak link is a bit unfair on the guy.

As for wing, well, Thomas is out injured and is the only one that stands head and shoulders above the rest as a contender for world-class if he keeps going. But then there still are people playing there that could do a job. Grosso? Whoever was on the wing in the past few U20 seasons? Surely we've got some wingers. Even if they don't end up setting the world on fire, they should have an intuitive notion with where to stand in a defensive line and some of them are bound to be good sprinters. And well, international stage can only help, you never know...

Penaud is a bit of a special case imho since he does get regular exposure to wing play in club, so unless ASM change their mind, he's a valid wing option.


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Laurent wrote:
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Une Assemblée générale exceptionnelle est plus que nécessaire...


On invite qui?

Je ne m'assois pas à la même table que Laporte, je te previens.

Pourquoi inviter les escrocs ?

Le but c'est de faire place nette.


Vous servez quel vin, que je sache si ca vaut le coup de participer?


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
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And so, who are the fantastic french wings that Brunel the idiot do not want to pick ?

I do wonder if part of the problem is some mental damage amongst French fans which is actually the same deficiency inherent in players and staff.

How many times does it have to be said, executed and proven by the whole world before the French get the message
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Rugby is a sport for specialists. The back 3 was composed of converted players. England knew it, and Owen Farrell slaughtered them with kicks of all kinds.

It doesn't matter if you don't have fantastic anything; you pick the best specialists you have for the position. FFS, is that so hard for you all to grasp?

Locks in the backrow, flankers at 8, wingers at FB, centres on the wing, SHs at FH in a RWC FFS. I assume you all recall what happened when Italy played Bergamasaco at SH? AT least that wasn't a Fre coach making that insane blunder. The arrogance that makes you think you can switch specialist positions at a whim when you haven't even bothered to master the skills for your primary position.

Keep going. France will end up 20th in the world at this rate. But hey, you'll have the market cornered in polyvalents. :thumbup:


Fine. Could you please name the two (fit) wingers you would have started on Sunday, and who would have changed the course of this game? You can also name a fullback as well.


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I'm with Torq on this one. Back three is short of quality right now, but I'd rather have position specialists than possibly better players but in a role they haven't been mainly training for. Don't care if you throw Dulin, Bonneval or Spedding at 15 for example, none looks like a world-beater that other sides all wished they had, but all three are good players and can do a job. I'm no fan of Huget, but having him to play at 15 on the international stage and be such a targeted weak link is a bit unfair on the guy.

As for wing, well, Thomas is out injured and is the only one that stands head and shoulders above the rest as a contender for world-class if he keeps going. But then there still are people playing there that could do a job. Grosso? Whoever was on the wing in the past few U20 seasons? Surely we've got some wingers. Even if they don't end up setting the world on fire, they should have an intuitive notion with where to stand in a defensive line and some of them are bound to be good sprinters. And well, international stage can only help, you never know...

Penaud is a bit of a special case imho since he does get regular exposure to wing play in club, so unless ASM change their mind, he's a valid wing option.


I would have loved seeing Torque going in a meltdown if Spedding had been selected. :lol:


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Countries like Ireland and NZ have curriculums for coaches, schools and clubs so they are on the same development plans. Leinster and Canterbury/Crusaders get their development sides to play a similar style to their senior sides so fresh talent can transition in quickly.

You compare that to Australia and France which is similar with brain dead administration with certain individuals using their positions as fiefdoms for politics and personal gain have fùcked up player and coach pathways which has led to talent pools drying up.

100%** this although the Aus problem was partly compounded by expanding the Soup franchises too far without the player base to support it = resources spread too thin --> shore up with crap imports --> dwindling crowds --> bankruptcy

France doesn't have a shortage of players and, at the moment, a seemingly unlimited supply of money.

** How TF does someone like Elissalde or Servat walk 1 day after retirement into a coaching role with the most prestigious club in France. Answer.....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rug ... 46607.html


Aus Rugby has a jobs for the culture too. Bringing in the Rebels while cost cutting pathways and academies to produce professional players was mind boggling. Under 20s haven’t made the semis since 2011 and the ARU also cut the highly successful national coaching program which they are paying for now. Lack of coaching talent coming through and players have glaring skill deficiencies.

If it wasn’t for Six Nations profits the FFR would be with them up shít creek without a paddle.


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I'm with Torq on this one. Back three is short of quality right now, but I'd rather have position specialists than possibly better players but in a role they haven't been mainly training for. Don't care if you throw Dulin, Bonneval or Spedding at 15 for example, none looks like a world-beater that other sides all wished they had, but all three are good players and can do a job. I'm no fan of Huget, but having him to play at 15 on the international stage and be such a targeted weak link is a bit unfair on the guy.

As for wing, well, Thomas is out injured and is the only one that stands head and shoulders above the rest as a contender for world-class if he keeps going. But then there still are people playing there that could do a job. Grosso? Whoever was on the wing in the past few U20 seasons? Surely we've got some wingers. Even if they don't end up setting the world on fire, they should have an intuitive notion with where to stand in a defensive line and some of them are bound to be good sprinters. And well, international stage can only help, you never know...

Penaud is a bit of a special case imho since he does get regular exposure to wing play in club, so unless ASM change their mind, he's a valid wing option.


I would have loved seeing Torque going in a meltdown if Spedding had been selected. :lol:


Totally worth it, then. :lol:


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TheFrog wrote:
Laurent wrote:
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Laurent wrote:
Une Assemblée générale exceptionnelle est plus que nécessaire...


On invite qui?

Je ne m'assois pas à la même table que Laporte, je te previens.

Pourquoi inviter les escrocs ?

Le but c'est de faire place nette.


Vous servez quel vin, que je sache si ca vaut le coup de participer?

C'est Petrus qui arrose ;)


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Fine. Could you please name the two (fit) wingers you would have started on Sunday, and who would have changed the course of this game? You can also name a fullback as well.

You guys keep moving the goalposts. That is also typically French i.e. no matter how wrong you are, you will not wake up and smell the coffee but, instead, get into any convoluted nonsense to escape reality.

The course of the game was France was going to lose. End of. But if you want to be stereotypical French (a la Penaud Sr) and say that you are happy to be a cheese eating surrender monkey and get arse reamed rather than at least fight and die with dignity, be my guest.

It's irrelevant to the debate you and Petrus are trying to sidestep (i.e. the f**kwtted view that France has the skill to play people out of position). Still, if it makes you happy to dive down alleyways rather than focus on the road ahead:

FB. would have given Ramos a shot. However, I still think Germain has a better set of skills for FB than most others and has long been worth a punt. At least if had started against Wales, Fra would have won that game because he would NOT have missed the simple kicks Parra did. Against Eng, he would not have been 10 yards out of position permanently. As a longshot, Guitoune was a very promising player but probably ruined by injury now.

Wings. My starters (for the 100th time) would be Thomas and Grosso. Thomas is injured but that's not the reason he hasn't been selected before instead of sh*t like Huget. Grosso is ending up like Malzieu; a reliable winger who always breaks the gainline with ball in hand but never gets a decent chance at intl level. Given Thomas injury, I like Rattez at LaR and also Dupichot at Paris.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:

Totally worth it, then. :lol:

You are not wrong. I hate the whole poaching thing full stop. What does it say to French youngsters slogging their guts out to be leapfrogged by some foreign import? I can tell you; it says "being French means not being good enough". It may be true but don't advertise it to the world.

Then you have the issue about quality. When Eng poach the Vunipolas, at least they are good players. France used to be not bad at this: Marsh & de Villiers. But 100% of the time now, it's 4th rate garbage e.g. Spedding, Claasens, LeRoux, Willemse. We should not be surprised; if you can't select the best French players, what chance of actually stealing some decent players from a country with a totally different rugby culture?


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Morgan Parra (France) : "On ne travaille pas assez"


:lol: :lol: :lol:
No sh*t Sherlock. And talk about pot calling the kettle black.

Now, instead of making excuses, WTF are YOU going to do about it?


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The biggest aberration of the current selection is not to start Dupont at 9. That's criminal. And that's also why Ramos or Germain at FB would make sense since they would kick the goals.

The rest, pfff... would not make much of a difference. But indeed Huget at FB was a joke for that game, and so are Penaud and Fickou on the wings in defensive terms at least.

I also have very strong doubts about N'tamack defensive skills and guts in general, spotted a few shocking behaviors of his.

Ramos has a great set of skills and the brain, alas he really lacks pace at that level.


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Fine. Could you please name the two (fit) wingers you would have started on Sunday, and who would have changed the course of this game? You can also name a fullback as well.

You guys keep moving the goalposts. That is also typically French i.e. no matter how wrong you are, you will not wake up and smell the coffee but, instead, get into any convoluted nonsense to escape reality.

The course of the game was France was going to lose. End of. But if you want to be stereotypical French (a la Penaud Sr) and say that you are happy to be a cheese eating surrender monkey and get arse reamed rather than at least fight and die with dignity, be my guest.

It's irrelevant to the debate you and Petrus are trying to sidestep (i.e. the f**kwtted view that France has the skill to play people out of position). Still, if it makes you happy to dive down alleyways rather than focus on the road ahead:

FB. would have given Ramos a shot. However, I still think Germain has a better set of skills for FB than most others and has long been worth a punt. At least if had started against Wales, Fra would have won that game because he would NOT have missed the simple kicks Parra did. Against Eng, he would not have been 10 yards out of position permanently. As a longshot, Guitoune was a very promising player but probably ruined by injury now.

Wings. My starters (for the 100th time) would be Thomas and Grosso. Thomas is injured but that's not the reason he hasn't been selected before instead of sh*t like Huget. Grosso is ending up like Malzieu; a reliable winger who always breaks the gainline with ball in hand but never gets a decent chance at intl level. Given Thomas injury, I like Rattez at LaR and also Dupichot at Paris.


So, you would have started with Germain at Fullback and Rattez and Dupichot on the wings?


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The biggest aberration of the current selection is not to start Dupont at 9. That's criminal. And that's also why Ramos or Germain at FB would make sense since they would kick the goals.

The rest, pfff... would not make much of a difference. But indeed Huget at FB was a joke for that game, and so are Penaud and Fickou on the wings in defensive terms at least.

I also have very strong doubts about N'tamack defensive skills and guts in general, spotted a few shocking behaviors of his.

Ramos has a great set of skills and the brain, alas he really lacks pace at that level.


Ramos came on in the middle of a terrible defeat, but he did not play well at all. Let's see if he starts for Scotland and shows another face.

We did not get many kicks at goal though. For that game, a good placed kicker would not have changed a thing (2pts more).


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So, you would have started with Germain at Fullback and Rattez and Dupichot on the wings?

Yeah. That's what I said. :roll:

Regarding the previous comment on other countries not suffering joint injuries....
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The biggest aberration of the current selection is not to start Dupont at 9. That's criminal. And that's also why Ramos or Germain at FB would make sense since they would kick the goals.

The rest, pfff... would not make much of a difference. But indeed Huget at FB was a joke for that game, and so are Penaud and Fickou on the wings in defensive terms at least.

I also have very strong doubts about N'tamack defensive skills and guts in general, spotted a few shocking behaviors of his.

Ramos has a great set of skills and the brain, alas he really lacks pace at that level.


Ramos came on in the middle of a terrible defeat, but he did not play well at all. Let's see if he starts for Scotland and shows another face.

We did not get many kicks at goal though. For that game, a good placed kicker would not have changed a thing (2pts more).

Frog :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It WOULD have changed the game against Wales which was partly lost due to Parra wetting his knickers each time he attempted a kick. And yeah, let's give Ramos ONE CHANCE against Scotland when utter dog poo like Huget, Tin-Duck, Do-sans have had 50+ attempts. :thumbup:

Xupi: like you, I have deep reservations on the attitude of Ntamack (it has already been commented on by English posters).
However, I do not believe FBs need to be fast. Leon Macdonald was not quick, nor was Matt Burke. They do need to be able to kick, catch, position correctly and tackle.......... pretty much none of these things is Huget any good at.


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
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So, you would have started with Germain at Fullback and Rattez and Dupichot on the wings?

Yeah. That's what I said. :roll:

Regarding the previous comment on other countries not suffering joint injuries....
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Just confirming... I personally think that there is no good answer to the question of the back 3 selection as we simply do not have the players with the right qualities to play in these positions these days. But if you think that this selection would have made things slight better, may be...

On Mako Vunipola, this is bad luck for England. He was on top form and a big contributor to their current performance.


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That font of all knowledge, PR, says Frog and Petrus are talking out of their backsides:
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There is a reason why players generally play in the positions that they usually play in. Centres might switch between 12 and 13 but they won’t usually play at fly-half or full-back, scrum-halves might be forced into duty on the wing but unless something apocalyptic has happened they won’t start anywhere other than at nine. Ken Owens might have been forced into a few starts at number eight but he is going to spend the rest of his career as a hooker.

This is because, at the highest level, rugby is just as much about extreme game intelligence as it is about physical ability. The thousands of hours Danny Cipriani has spent at fly-half means that he knows where the space will be and what tricks he can use to exploit that space. His intelligence plus some reps he’s had in the centre or at full-back will get him through if he’s asked to cover those positions but, as Jonny May showed, he’s probably going to look very ordinary if he’s asked to play on the flank.

Unfortunately, France decided to go for a backline featuring four centres against England and it led to one of the most extraordinarily tactically inept first halves I may ever have seen.

My point here is that players should play in the positions that they have developed a specification for at the elite level.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:42 pm 
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
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The biggest aberration of the current selection is not to start Dupont at 9. That's criminal. And that's also why Ramos or Germain at FB would make sense since they would kick the goals.

The rest, pfff... would not make much of a difference. But indeed Huget at FB was a joke for that game, and so are Penaud and Fickou on the wings in defensive terms at least.

I also have very strong doubts about N'tamack defensive skills and guts in general, spotted a few shocking behaviors of his.

Ramos has a great set of skills and the brain, alas he really lacks pace at that level.


Ramos came on in the middle of a terrible defeat, but he did not play well at all. Let's see if he starts for Scotland and shows another face.

We did not get many kicks at goal though. For that game, a good placed kicker would not have changed a thing (2pts more).

Frog :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It WOULD have changed the game against Wales which was partly lost due to Parra wetting his knickers each time he attempted a kick. And yeah, let's give Ramos ONE CHANCE against Scotland when utter caca de chien like Huget, Tin-Duck, Do-sans have had 50+ attempts. :thumbup:

Xupi: like you, I have deep reservations on the attitude of Ntamack (it has already been commented on by English posters).
However, I do not believe FBs need to be fast. Leon Macdonald was not quick, nor was Matt Burke. They do need to be able to kick, catch, position correctly and tackle.......... pretty much none of these things is Huget any good at.



Funny, as I quoted you, I saw this sentence appear that doesn't show on your post. I translated the words in French to see if the sentence is visible now.


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Laurent wrote:
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Une Assemblée générale exceptionnelle est plus que nécessaire...


On invite qui?

Je ne m'assois pas à la même table que Laporte, je te previens.

Pourquoi inviter les escrocs ?

Le but c'est de faire place nette.


Vous servez quel vin, que je sache si ca vaut le coup de participer?

C'est Petrus qui arrose ;)


I am in.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:48 pm 
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
That font of all knowledge, PR, says Frog and Petrus are talking out of their backsides:
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There is a reason why players generally play in the positions that they usually play in. Centres might switch between 12 and 13 but they won’t usually play at fly-half or full-back, scrum-halves might be forced into duty on the wing but unless something apocalyptic has happened they won’t start anywhere other than at nine. Ken Owens might have been forced into a few starts at number eight but he is going to spend the rest of his career as a hooker.

This is because, at the highest level, rugby is just as much about extreme game intelligence as it is about physical ability. The thousands of hours Danny Cipriani has spent at fly-half means that he knows where the space will be and what tricks he can use to exploit that space. His intelligence plus some reps he’s had in the centre or at full-back will get him through if he’s asked to cover those positions but, as Jonny May showed, he’s probably going to look very ordinary if he’s asked to play on the flank.

Unfortunately, France decided to go for a backline featuring four centres against England and it led to one of the most extraordinarily tactically inept first halves I may ever have seen.


My point here is that players should play in the positions that they have developed a specification for at the elite level.


You must not read my posts well. I just pointed out the lack of quality players in the back three in France. Which leads me to believe that this is a reason why Brunel has been experimenting.


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Xupi: like you, I have deep reservations on the attitude of Ntamack (it has already been commented on by English posters).

And this is a cultural trait of ours, which I have witnessed many times before: not wanting to single-out an individual even when you identify potential weaknesses. It has its advantages, but it also has huge drawbacks. I spotted, like many others probably, that Fickou was a defensive liability and I stick to my guns. Unlike Fofana, who was portrayed in the same way but has delivered in defense for years now, Fickou will not overcome that weakness of his I believe. And same for Romain N'tamack... and by the way his father was a superb player but a very average defender too.

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However, I do not believe FBs need to be fast. Leon Macdonald was not quick, nor was Matt Burke. They do need to be able to kick, catch, position correctly and tackle.......... pretty much none of these things is Huget any good at.
I disagree. Any lack of pace in the backline is a liability, but Fb are particularly exposed: they have to cover huge distances in defense repositioning when there's a line break, and they do need to chase the kicks both in defense and offense. Our collective lack of pace on the first try after 1' (Parra and Penaud) was absolutely shocking.

By the way and not that it changes anything: the last English try was a knock-on right? I saw the video replay and the English back (was it May?) who slides in with Dupont, does seem to touch the ball and knock-on under the body of Dupont. He then also holds Dupont to the ground, but Owens spotted that and decided to close his eyes because of the French penalty at the start of the play. But that was IMO not a valid try.

On another note which I think we've all noticed: Antoine Dupont since his knee injury, has lost a bit of his edge in lightning pace on short distance. He's a bit less devastating. But he's so frikin' good, especially in defense, that he deserves the starting slot any day.


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So the moral of the story is it's ok to select players out of position as long as you win.

Germain, Rattez and Dupichot as France's back three in the absence of… Teddy Thomas. Can we at least all agree we have a problem in these positions?


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So the moral of the story is it's ok to select players out of position as long as you win.

Germain, Rattez and Dupichot as France's back three in the absence of… Teddy Thomas. Can we at least all agree we have a problem in these positions?


I think this is what I have been trying to say.

Last World Class fullback was Sadourny. Last world class wingers were Clerc and Heymans.


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Thinking about playing players out of position (and putting a coin back in the machine for the sake of it)...

Fofana?


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Clouseau wrote:
So the moral of the story is it's ok to select players out of position as long as you win.

Germain, Rattez and Dupichot as France's back three in the absence of… Teddy Thomas. Can we at least all agree we have a problem in these positions?



After a good night sleep, Germain, Rattez, Dupichot looks fair to me. I am convinced.


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So the moral of the story is it's ok to select players out of position as long as you win.

Germain, Rattez and Dupichot as France's back three in the absence of… Teddy Thomas. Can we at least all agree we have a problem in these positions?

Let's try this a different way. You are on holiday in the Congo and get seriously hurt. You can't be repatriated to France where there are world class surgeons.

There is a pretty average surgeon at the hospital but the hospital administrator pops in to the ward and says "hey, I'm not really keen on Dr Mugabe. How about we let the anaesthetist do your brain surgery? Oh, and that means we won't have an anaesthetist available so you are okay with an absence of pain blocking?"

You're all thumbs up? Right??


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That's a bit of a shit analogy Torque.

Who would you have played last weekend in the back 3?


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TheFrog wrote:
Laurent wrote:
TheFrog wrote:
Laurent wrote:
La soule wrote:
On invite qui?

Je ne m'assois pas à la même table que Laporte, je te previens.

Pourquoi inviter les escrocs ?

Le but c'est de faire place nette.


Vous servez quel vin, que je sache si ca vaut le coup de participer?

C'est Petrus qui arrose ;)


I am in.

manque le saucisson et les tripoux :P


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manque le saucisson et les tripoux :P


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