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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:33 pm 
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that little scottish shit ref. The proud heir to Joubert's throne.
That was 4 penalties for NZ/against Fra in the last 5min that were totally unacceptable when France couldn't stop scoring tries and were just 10pts down and in the 22 looking dangerous again.

That high tackle hard straight to the face -> no yellow. The kiwi contest was one second over the ball immediately cleared out and the ref practically swallowed his whilst he was so anxious to blow it. There was a big nz offside position during that possession (the pundits immediately both noticed). And then Tolofua's contest a bit later was on his feet, penalty NZ in front of the posts...

Quite a bit of shit reffing for an end of match. Quite a bit.

Didn't know they fixed games even at fkng under 20 now.
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that NZRU...

Well, look, France should have had a red and that would definitely been the end. The second half would have probably never have happened like that with 14 men. NZ prop should have had a yellow too but 10 mins v the whole game?

BTW, this Tolofua looks better than siblings!


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Le XV de départ : Spedding ; Huget, Penaud, Fickou, Vakatawa ; (o) Trinh-Duc, (m) Serin ; Gourdon, Picamoles, Camara ; Taofifenua, Maestri ; Slimani, Guirado (cap), Poirot.

Remplaçants : Maynadier, Ben Arous, Atonio, Le Devedec, Le Roux, Dupont, Doussain, Ducuing





Maestri.....

otherwise not much to say considering what's available, not sure about the combo of Fickou + Penaud but good for the kid to start


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Le XV de départ : Spedding ; Huget, Penaud, Fickou, Vakatawa ; (o) Trinh-Duc, (m) Serin ; Gourdon, Picamoles, Camara ; Taofifenua, Maestri ; Slimani, Guirado (cap), Poirot.

Remplaçants : Maynadier, Ben Arous, Atonio, Le Devedec, Le Roux, Dupont, Doussain, Ducuing


Spedding vs SA. :lol:

Gotta love how TD has turned into Halfpenny, just without the skills. He gets picked automatically every tour, tournament or playoff match, and he's out injured in-between.


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panamax wrote:
Le XV de départ : Spedding ; Huget, Penaud, Fickou, Vakatawa ; (o) Trinh-Duc, (m) Serin ; Gourdon, Picamoles, Camara ; Taofifenua, Maestri ; Slimani, Guirado (cap), Poirot.

Remplaçants : Maynadier, Ben Arous, Atonio, Le Devedec, Le Roux, Dupont, Doussain, Ducuing





Maestri.....

otherwise not much to say considering what's available, not sure about the combo of Fickou + Penaud but good for the kid to start

FM.

+ves
- the bleeding obvious that Slimani is a default pick
- Guirado miles better than Maynadier although WTF he is on the bench ahead of Chat is another example of clueless coaching
- Tao at least adds some bulk but whether he can play for more than 40 mins?
- backrow, in theory, should be okay but looked utterly lost tactically last week
- Serin is a far better choice than Machenaud who should be done as an intl now

-ves
- Maestri again
- Poirot is never going to be intl std
- the entire backline from 10-15 except Penaud. That back 3 is the rugby equivalent of the Maginot line

TF I'll be climbing so probably will miss the game.


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A much better team, interested to see how Serin - FTD will operate. Excited for young Penaud.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:56 am 
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
panamax wrote:
Le XV de départ : Spedding ; Huget, Penaud, Fickou, Vakatawa ; (o) Trinh-Duc, (m) Serin ; Gourdon, Picamoles, Camara ; Taofifenua, Maestri ; Slimani, Guirado (cap), Poirot.

Remplaçants : Maynadier, Ben Arous, Atonio, Le Devedec, Le Roux, Dupont, Doussain, Ducuing





Maestri.....

otherwise not much to say considering what's available, not sure about the combo of Fickou + Penaud but good for the kid to start

FM.

+ves
- the bleeding obvious that Slimani is a default pick
- Guirado miles better than Maynadier although WTF he is on the bench ahead of Chat is another example of clueless coaching
- Tao at least adds some bulk but whether he can play for more than 40 mins?
- backrow, in theory, should be okay but looked utterly lost tactically last week
- Serin is a far better choice than Machenaud who should be done as an intl now

-ves
- Maestri again
- Poirot is never going to be intl std
- the entire backline from 10-15 except Penaud. That back 3 is the rugby equivalent of the Maginot line

TF I'll be climbing so probably will miss the game.


Great news for your blood pressure :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:58 am 
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La soule wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
panamax wrote:
Le XV de départ : Spedding ; Huget, Penaud, Fickou, Vakatawa ; (o) Trinh-Duc, (m) Serin ; Gourdon, Picamoles, Camara ; Taofifenua, Maestri ; Slimani, Guirado (cap), Poirot.

Remplaçants : Maynadier, Ben Arous, Atonio, Le Devedec, Le Roux, Dupont, Doussain, Ducuing





Maestri.....

otherwise not much to say considering what's available, not sure about the combo of Fickou + Penaud but good for the kid to start

FM.

+ves
- the bleeding obvious that Slimani is a default pick
- Guirado miles better than Maynadier although WTF he is on the bench ahead of Chat is another example of clueless coaching
- Tao at least adds some bulk but whether he can play for more than 40 mins?
- backrow, in theory, should be okay but looked utterly lost tactically last week
- Serin is a far better choice than Machenaud who should be done as an intl now

-ves
- Maestri again
- Poirot is never going to be intl std
- the entire backline from 10-15 except Penaud. That back 3 is the rugby equivalent of the Maginot line

TF I'll be climbing so probably will miss the game.


Great news for your blood pressure :thumbup:

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I thought Poirot looked good before his injury and was about to become an obvious choice as starting LHP. I hope he goes back to his best.

That front row could be our best front row going forward, injuries permitting.

I hope Tao raises his levels and finally delivers. A combination of Tao and Vahaamahina would do a lot of damages if both play at their best. With mobile locks as back-up, such as Iturria and Ledevedec.

Our backrow should become our strength and we have plenty of choice. When on top form, Gourdon is the link player we need and provides amazing go forward in attack, Picamoles is our wild boar to get momentum and then, blindside we can chose depending on the game between lineout specialists :D , or powerful players.

Scrum-halves, Serin, Dupont are the future, and old colonel Parra can always be brought because there are no 2 players as committed as he is. He will always inspire his partners.

Fly-half is the weak link. I hope Trinh-Duc comes back and raises his levels. Lopez is the number 1, but we need a good back-up.

Centers - Lamerat is coming of age. I fear Fofana will recover fully but I am afraid he may not... Fickou still needs to improve his defensive work.

Back three - our other weakness...


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I thought Poirot looked good before his injury and was about to become an obvious choice as starting LHP. I hope he goes back to his best.

That front row could be our best front row going forward, injuries permitting.

I hope Tao raises his levels and finally delivers. A combination of Tao and Vahaamahina would do a lot of damages if both play at their best. With mobile locks as back-up, such as Iturria and Ledevedec.

Our backrow should become our strength and we have plenty of choice. When on top form, Gourdon is the link player we need and provides amazing go forward in attack, Picamoles is our wild boar to get momentum and then, blindside we can chose depending on the game between lineout specialists :D , or powerful players.

Scrum-halves, Serin, Dupont are the future, and old colonel Parra can always be brought because there are no 2 players as committed as he is. He will always inspire his partners.

Fly-half is the weak link. I hope Trinh-Duc comes back and raises his levels. Lopez is the number 1, but we need a good back-up.

Centers - Lamerat is coming of age. I fear Fofana will recover fully but I am afraid he may not... Fickou still needs to improve his defensive work.

Back three - our other weakness...

Pretty fair post. You missed Danty and Penaud in the centres.

Back 3 is a bomb site.


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Well, look, France should have had a red and that would definitely been the end. The second half would have probably never have happened like that with 14 men. NZ prop should have had a yellow too but 10 mins v the whole game?

BTW, this Tolofua looks better than siblings!

doesn't change the fact this game was obviously fixed. Obvious in the last 7min or so. That's what I'm unhappy about. Fkng U20 too now for fiksake.


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Bernie is flying to SA to speak to the players before the 2nd game... :lol:

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Remonté contre la débâcle des Bleus contre l’Afrique du Sud lors du premier test-match de la tournée d’été, le président de la Fédération Française de Rugby, Bernard Laporte s’est confié dans les colonnes du quotidien L’équipe.

Ce-dernier a expliqué ne pas avoir voulu déranger Guy Novès après la rencontre. Extrait:

« Je lui avais envoyé un message avant le match. Après, je n’ai discuté avec personne. Je n’allais pas leur téléphoner, les faire ch… Ils m’auraient dit : ‘ »S’il veut nous parler, qu’il vienne. ».C’est pour ça que j’y vais. »

Désormais, le patron de la FFR souhaite s’entretenir avec les joueurs avant le deuxième test-match. Il veut leur dire ce qu’il a sur le cœur. Extrait:

« J’arrive à Durban samedi à 11 heures. Je vais leur dire quelques mots, c’est normal. Ce que j’ai ressenti, où on doit aller… Je ne leur parlerai pas de technique, le staff est assez compétent pour ça. Je ne vais pas leur parler de touche ou de mêlée. Je vais leur parler de l’essentiel du rugby : si on veut gagner, il faut être performant individuellement. Samedi dernier, j’ai vu trop de mecs qui ont failli. Quand tu portes le maillot de l’équipe de France, tu n’as pas le droit de faillir. On n’a pas le droit de manquer les plaquages, les duels. Ce n’est pas possible. Pas possible ! Je viens pour être avec eux, leur montrer que je suis derrière eux, pas pour perturber l’avant-match. Je ne suis pas un caporal-chef. Je leur ai très peu parlé depuis mon élection. Je vais leur dire ce que je ressens après six mois de présidence. »


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Bernie is flying to SA to speak to the players before the 2nd game... :lol:

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Remonté contre la débâcle des Bleus contre l’Afrique du Sud lors du premier test-match de la tournée d’été, le président de la Fédération Française de Rugby, Bernard Laporte s’est confié dans les colonnes du quotidien L’équipe.

Ce-dernier a expliqué ne pas avoir voulu déranger Guy Novès après la rencontre. Extrait:

« Je lui avais envoyé un message avant le match. Après, je n’ai discuté avec personne. Je n’allais pas leur téléphoner, les faire ch… Ils m’auraient dit : ‘ »S’il veut nous parler, qu’il vienne. ».C’est pour ça que j’y vais. »

Désormais, le patron de la FFR souhaite s’entretenir avec les joueurs avant le deuxième test-match. Il veut leur dire ce qu’il a sur le cœur. Extrait:

« J’arrive à Durban samedi à 11 heures. Je vais leur dire quelques mots, c’est normal. Ce que j’ai ressenti, où on doit aller… Je ne leur parlerai pas de technique, le staff est assez compétent pour ça. Je ne vais pas leur parler de touche ou de mêlée. Je vais leur parler de l’essentiel du rugby : si on veut gagner, il faut être performant individuellement. Samedi dernier, j’ai vu trop de mecs qui ont failli. Quand tu portes le maillot de l’équipe de France, tu n’as pas le droit de faillir. On n’a pas le droit de manquer les plaquages, les duels. Ce n’est pas possible. Pas possible ! Je viens pour être avec eux, leur montrer que je suis derrière eux, pas pour perturber l’avant-match. Je ne suis pas un caporal-chef. Je leur ai très peu parlé depuis mon élection. Je vais leur dire ce que je ressens après six mois de présidence. »

ça a bien marché la fois ou il a lu la lettre du petit communiste (Guy Mocquet)


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I thought Poirot looked good before his injury and was about to become an obvious choice as starting LHP. I hope he goes back to his best.

That front row could be our best front row going forward, injuries permitting.

I hope Tao raises his levels and finally delivers. A combination of Tao and Vahaamahina would do a lot of damages if both play at their best. With mobile locks as back-up, such as Iturria and Ledevedec.

Our backrow should become our strength and we have plenty of choice. When on top form, Gourdon is the link player we need and provides amazing go forward in attack, Picamoles is our wild boar to get momentum and then, blindside we can chose depending on the game between lineout specialists :D , or powerful players.

Scrum-halves, Serin, Dupont are the future, and old colonel Parra can always be brought because there are no 2 players as committed as he is. He will always inspire his partners.

Fly-half is the weak link. I hope Trinh-Duc comes back and raises his levels. Lopez is the number 1, but we need a good back-up.

Centers - Lamerat is coming of age. I fear Fofana will recover fully but I am afraid he may not... Fickou still needs to improve his defensive work.

Back three - our other weakness...

Pretty fair post. You missed Danty and Penaud in the centres.

Back 3 is a bomb site.


Danty didn't impress me when playing for France. I don't know how he does these days with Paris (I don't watch them). But his first French outing showed he needs to step up if he wants to become international material.


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Laurent wrote:
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Bernie is flying to SA to speak to the players before the 2nd game... :lol:

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Remonté contre la débâcle des Bleus contre l’Afrique du Sud lors du premier test-match de la tournée d’été, le président de la Fédération Française de Rugby, Bernard Laporte s’est confié dans les colonnes du quotidien L’équipe.

Ce-dernier a expliqué ne pas avoir voulu déranger Guy Novès après la rencontre. Extrait:

« Je lui avais envoyé un message avant le match. Après, je n’ai discuté avec personne. Je n’allais pas leur téléphoner, les faire ch… Ils m’auraient dit : ‘ »S’il veut nous parler, qu’il vienne. ».C’est pour ça que j’y vais. »

Désormais, le patron de la FFR souhaite s’entretenir avec les joueurs avant le deuxième test-match. Il veut leur dire ce qu’il a sur le cœur. Extrait:

« J’arrive à Durban samedi à 11 heures. Je vais leur dire quelques mots, c’est normal. Ce que j’ai ressenti, où on doit aller… Je ne leur parlerai pas de technique, le staff est assez compétent pour ça. Je ne vais pas leur parler de touche ou de mêlée. Je vais leur parler de l’essentiel du rugby : si on veut gagner, il faut être performant individuellement. Samedi dernier, j’ai vu trop de mecs qui ont failli. Quand tu portes le maillot de l’équipe de France, tu n’as pas le droit de faillir. On n’a pas le droit de manquer les plaquages, les duels. Ce n’est pas possible. Pas possible ! Je viens pour être avec eux, leur montrer que je suis derrière eux, pas pour perturber l’avant-match. Je ne suis pas un caporal-chef. Je leur ai très peu parlé depuis mon élection. Je vais leur dire ce que je ressens après six mois de présidence. »

ça a bien marché la fois ou il a lu la lettre du petit communiste (Guy Mocquet)


Noves isn't too impressed though... Wonder whether Noves will not quit before the end of his term.


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TheFrog wrote:
Laurent wrote:
Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Bernie is flying to SA to speak to the players before the 2nd game... :lol:

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Remonté contre la débâcle des Bleus contre l’Afrique du Sud lors du premier test-match de la tournée d’été, le président de la Fédération Française de Rugby, Bernard Laporte s’est confié dans les colonnes du quotidien L’équipe.

Ce-dernier a expliqué ne pas avoir voulu déranger Guy Novès après la rencontre. Extrait:

« Je lui avais envoyé un message avant le match. Après, je n’ai discuté avec personne. Je n’allais pas leur téléphoner, les faire ch… Ils m’auraient dit : ‘ »S’il veut nous parler, qu’il vienne. ».C’est pour ça que j’y vais. »

Désormais, le patron de la FFR souhaite s’entretenir avec les joueurs avant le deuxième test-match. Il veut leur dire ce qu’il a sur le cœur. Extrait:

« J’arrive à Durban samedi à 11 heures. Je vais leur dire quelques mots, c’est normal. Ce que j’ai ressenti, où on doit aller… Je ne leur parlerai pas de technique, le staff est assez compétent pour ça. Je ne vais pas leur parler de touche ou de mêlée. Je vais leur parler de l’essentiel du rugby : si on veut gagner, il faut être performant individuellement. Samedi dernier, j’ai vu trop de mecs qui ont failli. Quand tu portes le maillot de l’équipe de France, tu n’as pas le droit de faillir. On n’a pas le droit de manquer les plaquages, les duels. Ce n’est pas possible. Pas possible ! Je viens pour être avec eux, leur montrer que je suis derrière eux, pas pour perturber l’avant-match. Je ne suis pas un caporal-chef. Je leur ai très peu parlé depuis mon élection. Je vais leur dire ce que je ressens après six mois de présidence. »

ça a bien marché la fois ou il a lu la lettre du petit communiste (Guy Mocquet)


Noves isn't too impressed though... Wonder whether Noves will not quit before the end of his term.

ou envoyer un "gitan" refaire la gueule de lalourde


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Laurent wrote:
ou envoyer un "gitan" refaire la gueule de lalourde


C'est con qu'il ne puisse pas les faire voyager jusqu'en Afrique du Sud... Ca motiverait peut-etre ses joueurs aussi. :D


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TheFrog wrote:
Laurent wrote:
Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Bernie is flying to SA to speak to the players before the 2nd game... :lol:

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Remonté contre la débâcle des Bleus contre l’Afrique du Sud lors du premier test-match de la tournée d’été, le président de la Fédération Française de Rugby, Bernard Laporte s’est confié dans les colonnes du quotidien L’équipe.

Ce-dernier a expliqué ne pas avoir voulu déranger Guy Novès après la rencontre. Extrait:

« Je lui avais envoyé un message avant le match. Après, je n’ai discuté avec personne. Je n’allais pas leur téléphoner, les faire ch… Ils m’auraient dit : ‘ »S’il veut nous parler, qu’il vienne. ».C’est pour ça que j’y vais. »

Désormais, le patron de la FFR souhaite s’entretenir avec les joueurs avant le deuxième test-match. Il veut leur dire ce qu’il a sur le cœur. Extrait:

« J’arrive à Durban samedi à 11 heures. Je vais leur dire quelques mots, c’est normal. Ce que j’ai ressenti, où on doit aller… Je ne leur parlerai pas de technique, le staff est assez compétent pour ça. Je ne vais pas leur parler de touche ou de mêlée. Je vais leur parler de l’essentiel du rugby : si on veut gagner, il faut être performant individuellement. Samedi dernier, j’ai vu trop de mecs qui ont failli. Quand tu portes le maillot de l’équipe de France, tu n’as pas le droit de faillir. On n’a pas le droit de manquer les plaquages, les duels. Ce n’est pas possible. Pas possible ! Je viens pour être avec eux, leur montrer que je suis derrière eux, pas pour perturber l’avant-match. Je ne suis pas un caporal-chef. Je leur ai très peu parlé depuis mon élection. Je vais leur dire ce que je ressens après six mois de présidence. »

ça a bien marché la fois ou il a lu la lettre du petit communiste (Guy Mocquet)


Noves isn't too impressed though... Wonder whether Noves will not quit before the end of his term.


Shitty timing to quit though. There have been some signs, but the results are still rather abysmal. If he were to make a point by resigning before time, I can't see him do so before first making a point on the pitch.


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For sure... For the time being, if you look at raw stats... PSA did better than him... :shock:


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Shitty timing to quit though. There have been some signs, but the results are still rather abysmal. If he were to make a point by resigning before time, I can't see him do so before first making a point on the pitch.
Very much this. Unless Laporte acts really stupidly (which is in the realms of possibility), Novès ain't a quitter. He's trying to build a playstyle and have his group adhere to it and indeed, there have been signs which had never ever been seen under PSA's tenure. But the results so far are very poor, however the next two games could turn things on their heads. We need one convincing victory in SA.

When was our last victory on Tour against one of the SH big three? NZ 2009??


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For sure... For the time being, if you look at raw stats... PSA did better than him... :shock:
It depends how you look at the stats. Our most telling and important competition is the 6N, and he did better (3rd) than PSA ever did. He also managed to finally beat Wales, which PSA never achieved.

For me the measure of improvement of France is our results against Ireland-Wales-Scotland-Argentina, because we belong to their group in terms of level of play and skillset.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Shitty timing to quit though. There have been some signs, but the results are still rather abysmal. If he were to make a point by resigning before time, I can't see him do so before first making a point on the pitch.

Agree. He won't resign and as the ST tenure shows, it won't matter if he never makes a point on the pitch (which looks increasingly likely), he'll hold on to the end just in case.


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Shitty timing to quit though. There have been some signs, but the results are still rather abysmal. If he were to make a point by resigning before time, I can't see him do so before first making a point on the pitch.

Agree. He won't resign and as the ST tenure shows, it won't matter if he never makes a point on the pitch (which looks increasingly likely), he'll hold on to the end just in case.


Not quite the same situation. Bouscatel wasn't undermining him at ST.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Shitty timing to quit though. There have been some signs, but the results are still rather abysmal. If he were to make a point by resigning before time, I can't see him do so before first making a point on the pitch.

Agree. He won't resign and as the ST tenure shows, it won't matter if he never makes a point on the pitch (which looks increasingly likely), he'll hold on to the end just in case.


Not quite the same situation. Bouscatel wasn't undermining him at ST.


Nobody should let that get in the way of having a go at Noves.


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Shitty timing to quit though. There have been some signs, but the results are still rather abysmal. If he were to make a point by resigning before time, I can't see him do so before first making a point on the pitch.

Agree. He won't resign and as the ST tenure shows, it won't matter if he never makes a point on the pitch (which looks increasingly likely), he'll hold on to the end just in case.


Not quite the same situation. Bouscatel wasn't undermining him at ST.

No. His own coaching staff were. :|


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http://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/test-match/2017/guy-noves-repond-a-bernard-laporte-avant-de-sexprimer-face-aux-joueurs-il-sexprimera-avec-moi_sto6217437/story.shtml

big FO to lalourde

Only in France can you have an open spat between the president of the fed and the national coach....... appointed by the fed.

And it really is none of Mackay's business doing this. Either fire Noves or shut the f**k up. Even if he is correct in some of his thoughts
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le président de la FFR y a déclaré vouloir "dire quelques mots aux joueurs" : "Je ne leur parlerai pas de technique, le staff est assez compétent pour ça. Je vais leur parler de l'essentiel du rugby : si on veut gagner, il faut être performant individuellement. Samedi, j'ai vu trop de mecs qui ont failli. Quand tu portes le maillot de l'équipe de France, tu n'as pas le droit de faillir. Ce n'est pas possible (...) Certaines choses sont inadmissibles".


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Danty didn't impress me when playing for France. I don't know how he does these days with Paris (I don't watch them). But his first French outing showed he needs to step up if he wants to become international material.


Because fkng Gael Fickou has impressed you once in his 30 caps with France ??

Here's Danty during his 4th cap with France for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFj5wc59uyQ


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Danty didn't impress me when playing for France. I don't know how he does these days with Paris (I don't watch them). But his first French outing showed he needs to step up if he wants to become international material.


Because fkng Gael Fickou has impressed you once in his 30 caps with France ??

Here's Danty during his 4th cap with France for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFj5wc59uyQ

Both of you at extremes here?

1) Frog isn't putting Fickou up as the alternative! Just commenting on Danty.
2) Actually, Fickou has had a few decent games. Least bad back last week.
3) I don't think Danty has done much at intl level (Arg C does not count) BUT he'd had few opportunities
4) Both players suffering from sh*t coaching. Fickou has it at club and intl level!
5) Danty needs to stop playing "Mike Brown" angry man.


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I forgot: at least Dupont is selected but that means Noves still thinks Do-sans is a FH :lol:


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All I can say about Novès and Laporte and the french national team is I just want the latter to play to its best ability, close to 100% potential, and for certain, for absolute certain this is not what France has been getting over the last 6 years, not with PSA and Lagisquet and not atm with Noves and 'Jeff', I'm quite sure everybody can see that and more or less agree on that statement.

If Novès and staff would somehow be replaced by a headcoach and staff that actually play 2017 Rugby Union in 2017, I'd lick my chops, pupils fully dilated and masturbate with my feet with abrupt quick stroke movements for a full day, just dedicate one day to that.

It's not going to happen, and France are going nowhere and will go nowhere, that's clear and certain for people like me, but the thing I fear is who they're going to name end of 2019. We just can't have another 4-year failure, complete underachievement/moral victories for a full 48 months. That's PSA, Novès, and it would be a third straight and Lièvremont even wasn't all peachy.
It would be I believe cataclysmic for the appeal and reputation of the xv de France, inside and outside the country, to stick a third straight (relatively) clueless management with no worthy victory to show for, because you can quote me on this, the xv de France Noves style is not winning a 6N of its entire length, nor any worthy test series or major single match victory, and will be totally underwhelming at the WC.


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:
TheFrog wrote:
Danty didn't impress me when playing for France. I don't know how he does these days with Paris (I don't watch them). But his first French outing showed he needs to step up if he wants to become international material.


Because fkng Gael Fickou has impressed you once in his 30 caps with France ??

Here's Danty during his 4th cap with France for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFj5wc59uyQ

Both of you at extremes here?

1) Frog isn't putting Fickou up as the alternative! Just commenting on Danty.
2) Actually, Fickou has had a few decent games. Least bad back last week.
3) I don't think Danty has done much at intl level (Arg C does not count) BUT he'd had few opportunities
4) Both players suffering from sh*t coaching. Fickou has it at club and intl level!
5) Danty needs to stop playing "Mike Brown" angry man.

Try the original Pumas, check their match sheet again. Fickou is an athlete, full stop. Yes Danty would do well to cut out some of the emotion but it's not like he's a train-wreck.

Someone saying Danty hasn't been impressive is implying there's better in store. And Fickou is not better than Danty, not for club, country, on this planet or the next. You think Stade Français have had good coaching over the last couple years ???


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« J’arrive à Durban samedi à 11 heures. Je vais leur dire quelques mots, c’est normal. Ce que j’ai ressenti, où on doit aller… Je ne leur parlerai pas de technique, le staff est assez compétent pour ça. Je ne vais pas leur parler de touche ou de mêlée. Je vais leur parler de l’essentiel du rugby : si on veut gagner, il faut être performant individuellement. Samedi dernier, j’ai vu trop de mecs qui ont failli. Quand tu portes le maillot de l’équipe de France, tu n’as pas le droit de faillir. On n’a pas le droit de manquer les plaquages, les duels. Ce n’est pas possible. Pas possible ! Je viens pour être avec eux, leur montrer que je suis derrière eux, pas pour perturber l’avant-match. Je ne suis pas un caporal-chef. Je leur ai très peu parlé depuis mon élection. Je vais leur dire ce que je ressens après six mois de présidence. »


ça a bien marché la fois ou il a lu la lettre du petit communiste (Guy Mocquet)


Noves isn't too impressed though... Wonder whether Noves will not quit before the end of his term.

ou envoyer un "gitan" refaire la gueule de lalourde

Pas vu le premier match, bad connection on the island. 8)

It will be a lose/lose situation for Guy if Bernie comes, a win and he might say that talking to the players was beneficial , a lost will leave him the door open for criticisms .


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It would be I believe cataclysmic for the appeal and reputation of the xv de France, inside and outside the country, to stick a third straight (relatively) clueless management with no worthy victory to show for, because you can quote me on this, the xv de France Noves style is not winning a 6N of its entire length, nor any worthy test series or major single match victory, and will be totally underwhelming at the WC.

Right. I really hope you'lle be proven wrong Saturday night after the test-match, because undoubtedly beating the Springboks on their turf would be just that: a major single match victory.

I think they can do it and I think, although the results remain bad, that Novès and his staff are pushing the lads in the right direction gameplay wise.


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I thought Poirot looked good before his injury and was about to become an obvious choice as starting LHP. I hope he goes back to his best.

That front row could be our best front row going forward, injuries permitting.

I


Nah, Baille is a superb player- he's the only LH I've seen put Furlong on the rack big time.

Mind you- I'm of the view Slimani is going to be an all time great. I've never seen such a technically perfect tight head.


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Jake wrote:
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I thought Poirot looked good before his injury and was about to become an obvious choice as starting LHP. I hope he goes back to his best.

That front row could be our best front row going forward, injuries permitting.

I


Nah, Baille is a superb player- he's the only LH I've seen put Furlong on the rack big time.

Mind you- I'm of the view Slimani is going to be an all time great. I've never seen such a technically perfect tight head.

Poirot is a decent club pro who can be quick around the park. And that's his limit.

Baille, like Tolofua, Galan and Camara are happily being wasted/ruined by the ST fwds coaches.


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I have good hopes for Baille indeed. Already out with a bad knee injury though.

I am not sure about Slimani becoming an old time great. He can scrummage in 2017 but the props nowadays are no way near as technical as they used to be in my opinion.


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Jake wrote:
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I thought Poirot looked good before his injury and was about to become an obvious choice as starting LHP. I hope he goes back to his best.

That front row could be our best front row going forward, injuries permitting.

I


Nah, Baille is a superb player- he's the only LH I've seen put Furlong on the rack big time.

Mind you- I'm of the view Slimani is going to be an all time great. I've never seen such a technically perfect tight head.

Poirot is a decent club pro who can be quick around the park. And that's his limit.

Baille, like Tolofua, Galan and Camara are happily being wasted/ruined by the ST fwds coaches.



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Baille is by far our best LH.

l'd put Chiocci in 2 if he wasn't obese.


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Has anybody followed CO this year? I was full of hope about Tichit but he appears to have lost it unfortunately.


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Xupi wrote:
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It would be I believe cataclysmic for the appeal and reputation of the xv de France, inside and outside the country, to stick a third straight (relatively) clueless management with no worthy victory to show for, because you can quote me on this, the xv de France Noves style is not winning a 6N of its entire length, nor any worthy test series or major single match victory, and will be totally underwhelming at the WC.

Right. I really hope you'lle be proven wrong Saturday night after the test-match, because undoubtedly beating the Springboks on their turf would be just that: a major single match victory.

I think they can do it and I think, although the results remain bad, that Novès and his staff are pushing the lads in the right direction gameplay wise.

Xupi, look, Italy beat the Boks some months ago man. Italy. Last week's France team was so horribly awful they actually managed to make this shit Boks team look good. I'm talking about a real damn Test match win, a convincing, real ass Test match win Xupi.

Laporte had it many times but let's just name the 2007 WC quarter. Lievremont had some, let's name 2009 vs those mighty Boks in Toulouse, or that Test 1 win in Dunedin vs the Blacks (an outright, uncontested victory). Even PSA got a couple of scalps, even PSA got Australia a couple of times, managed to beat England a couple times through his style but even those weren't really statement wins, 33-6 over Aus was pretty damn nice and beating England right before the WC was nice too (in a match that wasn't close at all until the 70th) but really we haven't had any since Lievremont actually but atm Noves is in fact below PSA, even.
He's still got a couple seasons ahead of him, but beware old man, time flies by ! Time flies by... you don't have forever when you're the headcoach of a Tier 1 national Rugby team !!


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