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Posted: **Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:46 pm**

Guilhem Guirado (XV de France) sur Bernard Laporte : "Cela ne nous intéresse pas"

Posted: **Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:13 pm**

La soule wrote:
GuLi wrote:
La soule wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote: France were experimenting in that game too with three number 8s in the back row and the half back competition. Spedding butchering a 4 v 1 5 metres from the line by cutting back inside didn't help your cause either.
You need to understand that France's victory in Argentina does not count, that the fact that France had its best results in the 6N in years does not count either.
When France win, it is because the other team is rebuilding or did not play well.

When they don't win, it is because of Noves.
Eh oui. Un petit entraîneur, maintenant complètement sénile, et qui ne doit ses succès
qu'au budget du ST, notoirement 3.7 fois supérieur à celui de toute la concurrence confondu.

D'ailleurs tu cites là un des quelques coaches de génie qu'il nous faudrait - ou lui, ou Torq, enfin
un vrai quoi :
Dork Lard wrote:P.S.: you don't need Picamoles Fofana Slimani Baille Guirado Vahaamahina Gourdon Ollivon Vakatawa Nakaitaci...to achieve a close game vs Wallabies B, barely scrape past Scotland or Wales at home or score 4 tries on Italy. You can do all that with much, much less.
Hallucinant. Plus trop l'habitude de voir ça, merci la fonction boitàkons.

Effectivement. Ils auraient tous les deux clairement du postuler pour le role d'entraineur du 15 de France.

Je pense que l'on aurait un pourcentage de victoires proche des 95%.

Domage qu'ils n'y aient pas pense.

Dingue que les experts soient collés derrière des ordis et que les crétins soient sur le terrain. Le monde est vraiment mal fait.

Posted: **Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:13 pm**

Clouseau wrote:
La soule wrote:
GuLi wrote:
La soule wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote: France were experimenting in that game too with three number 8s in the back row and the half back competition. Spedding butchering a 4 v 1 5 metres from the line by cutting back inside didn't help your cause either.
You need to understand that France's victory in Argentina does not count, that the fact that France had its best results in the 6N in years does not count either.
When France win, it is because the other team is rebuilding or did not play well.

When they don't win, it is because of Noves.
Eh oui. Un petit entraîneur, maintenant complètement sénile, et qui ne doit ses succès
qu'au budget du ST, notoirement 3.7 fois supérieur à celui de toute la concurrence confondu.

D'ailleurs tu cites là un des quelques coaches de génie qu'il nous faudrait - ou lui, ou Torq, enfin
un vrai quoi :
Dork Lard wrote:P.S.: you don't need Picamoles Fofana Slimani Baille Guirado Vahaamahina Gourdon Ollivon Vakatawa Nakaitaci...to achieve a close game vs Wallabies B, barely scrape past Scotland or Wales at home or score 4 tries on Italy. You can do all that with much, much less.
Hallucinant. Plus trop l'habitude de voir ça, merci la fonction boitàkons.

Effectivement. Ils auraient tous les deux clairement du postuler pour le role d'entraineur du 15 de France.

Je pense que l'on aurait un pourcentage de victoires proche des 95%.

Domage qu'ils n'y aient pas pense.
Dingue que les experts soient collés derrière des ordis et que les crétins soient sur le terrain. Le monde est vraiment mal fait.

On aurait pu etre champion du monde s'ils avaient ete en charge

Rien a voir avec le rugby mais vous avez vu les developpements de l'affaire Villemin?

Posted: **Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:07 pm**

Vous me faites marrer...On est nul a chier mais vous préférez vous exciter sur Torque et compagnie...

Posted: **Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:02 pm**

Heymans wrote:Vous me faites marrer...On est nul a chier mais vous préférez vous exciter sur Torque et compagnie...

Vive la France. Welcome. Land of the perpetual excuse, moral victories, flair without substance, eloquence beats common sense, hubris and chaos over rationality and order, emotion over thought, superficial over deep. Dionysus smiting Apollo.

It will always, always be more desirable to hate on a designed enemy than to look at one's own belly and notice how fat and shitty it is. Someone calling out the national team with apparent affection: ooh, let's call his mom a slut and explain to him he's a dick. That'll convince him good his rational, stat/fact based position is null.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:29 am**

Dork Lard wrote:
Xupi wrote:
Dork Lard wrote: It would be I believe cataclysmic for the appeal and reputation of the xv de France, inside and outside the country, to stick a third straight (relatively) clueless management with no worthy victory to show for, because you can quote me on this, the xv de France Noves style is not winning a 6N of its entire length, nor any worthy test series or major single match victory, and will be totally underwhelming at the WC.
Right. I really hope you'lle be proven wrong Saturday night after the test-match, because undoubtedly beating the Springboks on their turf would be just that: a major single match victory.

I think they can do it and I think, although the results remain bad, that Novès and his staff are pushing the lads in the right direction gameplay wise.
Xupi, look, Italy beat the Boks some months ago man. Italy. Last week's France team was so horribly awful they actually managed to make this shit Boks team look good. I'm talking about a real damn Test match win, a convincing, real ass Test match win Xupi.

Laporte had it many times but let's just name the 2007 WC quarter. Lievremont had some, let's name 2009 vs those mighty Boks in Toulouse, or that Test 1 win in Dunedin vs the Blacks (an outright, uncontested victory). Even PSA got a couple of scalps, even PSA got Australia a couple of times, managed to beat England a couple times through his style but even those weren't really statement wins, 33-6 over Aus was pretty damn nice and beating England right before the WC was nice too (in a match that wasn't close at all until the 70th) but really we haven't had any since Lievremont actually but atm Noves is in fact below PSA, even.
He's still got a couple seasons ahead of him, but beware old man, time flies by ! Time flies by... you don't have forever when you're the headcoach of a Tier 1 national Rugby team !!

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:31 am**

Xupi wrote:
Dork Lard wrote: Xupi, look, Italy beat the Boks some months ago man. Italy. Last week's France team was so horribly awful they actually managed to make this shit Boks team look good. I'm talking about a real damn Test match win, a convincing, real ass Test match win Xupi.
Boks are not the force they used to be, but they remain ... the Springboks. A convincing win over there remains a rare feat for European nations, and would be a statement.

Did you just move the goal posts?

Anyway, I can assure you now, no convincing win is coming. I'll take a 3 month break from here if it happens.

And to avoid weasel room, I'll be kind and say 10 points is convincing.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:32 am**

Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:P.S.: you don't need Picamoles Fofana Slimani Baille Guirado Vahaamahina Gourdon Ollivon Vakatawa Nakaitaci...to achieve a close game vs Wallabies B, barely scrape past Scotland or Wales at home or score 4 tries on Italy. You can do all that with much, much less.
France were experimenting in that game too with three number 8s in the back row and the half back competition. Spedding butchering a 4 v 1 5 metres from the line by cutting back inside didn't help your cause either.

Who keeps picking f**king Spedding?

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:07 am**

Sco up to 4th in rankings after away win at Aus.

Townsend has only had a few games in charge and already more away wins v Tier 1 nations than PSA and Noves combined.

IF Arg beat Eng this evening, Fra will probably drop to their equal, lowest rank ever.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:25 am**

Torquemada 1420 wrote:Sco up to 4th in rankings after away win at Aus.

Townsend has only had a few games in charge and already more away wins v Tier 1 nations than PSA and Noves combined.

IF Arg beat Eng this evening, Fra will probably drop to their equal, lowest rank ever.

bu bu bu but but but Torqueeeeeeeeeee,
but bub ububtubut bubtubub but but but
Townsend is merely picking up where Cotter left off in a great position, and and and Scotland have wayyyyy more talent and much more depth and quality players than a country like France.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:19 am**

Dork Lard wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:Sco up to 4th in rankings after away win at Aus.

Townsend has only had a few games in charge and already more away wins v Tier 1 nations than PSA and Noves combined.

IF Arg beat Eng this evening, Fra will probably drop to their equal, lowest rank ever.
bu bu bu but but but Torqueeeeeeeeeee,
but bub ububtubut bubtubub but but but
Townsend is merely picking up where Cotter left off in a great position, and and and Scotland have wayyyyy more talent and much more depth and quality players than a country like France.

It's just a depressing continuation of inept management but really, it's so deeply rooted now from top to bottom, I'm not sure why we should expect anything else. Noves is just one cog with missing teeth in a whole clock where every component is damaged in some way.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:03 am**

Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:P.S.: you don't need Picamoles Fofana Slimani Baille Guirado Vahaamahina Gourdon Ollivon Vakatawa Nakaitaci...to achieve a close game vs Wallabies B, barely scrape past Scotland or Wales at home or score 4 tries on Italy. You can do all that with much, much less.
France were experimenting in that game too with three number 8s in the back row and the half back competition. Spedding butchering a 4 v 1 5 metres from the line by cutting back inside didn't help your cause either.
Who keeps picking f**king Spedding?

oui il a parfois fait la boite à ballon, mais je le trouve assez sûr, et j'aime bien le gars... je le connais pas bien sûr, mais souvenez-vous quand ils lui avait annoncé sa 1ère sélection : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0PKfgLO18U

Pour un non français c'était beau. Alors là, il revient dans son pays natal, avec le coq sur la poitrine, la famille dans les tribunes, après une dérouillée... j'sais pas, mais soit il s'effondre (je pense pas), soit il est énorme, façon nyanga après ses larme sur l'hymne ya qq années.

Il va être énorme. Ils vont nous faire plaisir, tous. Ou alors là....

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:23 am**

Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:Sco up to 4th in rankings after away win at Aus.

Townsend has only had a few games in charge and already more away wins v Tier 1 nations than PSA and Noves combined.

IF Arg beat Eng this evening, Fra will probably drop to their equal, lowest rank ever.
bu bu bu but but but Torqueeeeeeeeeee,
but bub ububtubut bubtubub but but but
Townsend is merely picking up where Cotter left off in a great position, and and and Scotland have wayyyyy more talent and much more depth and quality players than a country like France.
It's just a depressing continuation of inept management but really, it's so deeply rooted now from top to bottom, I'm not sure why we should expect anything else. Noves is just one cog with missing teeth in a whole clock where every component is damaged in some way.

As long. As you've got. The talent.
Why are Fofana Lamerat Lopez Nakaitaci Vahaamahina doing so well at Clermont ? Slimani destroying every scrum you put in front of him ? Guirado, Picamoles have been world class for years, and still the best Frenchman has been Gourdon though. At SH, just a year ago Machenaud was considered the best now he's relegated behind the newer Serin and Dupont, while Parra just bossed his team to a title.
At LH Ben Arous was world class during world cup time then got injured so they tried Poirot who did well, he went down too so they tried Cyrille Baille. Best LH in the 6N.
At center you've got prime choices of Lamerat Fofana Doumayrou Chavancy Danty, or a fit Yann David. Others, Penaud, are comin up. In the back three Vakatawa is a beast ball in hand, and they might not be world class but Dulin and Spedding are good in their own right, those are not awful fullbacks. Trade in Dulin's so-so match last week with his brilliant featuring vs the Blacks in Nov.

Yes there are too many foreigners in the Top 14. Yes there are lackings technically overall in that league. Yes the calendar is too long. But there's still talent, and lots of available talent, well enough so that its combined elite could play decent Test Rugby. And yet. The xv de France is a joke.
The day France have none of those aforementioned players, footballers the quality of Georgia or Canada, then I'll drop the charge. But Novès has quite some individual talent to play with. Other failures around ...don't excuse your own failure.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:46 pm**

Both Arrate and Kolingar banned for the remainder of the comp (and longer but only 1 game left). Ironically the worst offence by Pesenti escaped the citing commissioner or he was gone too. Congrats to Fra coaching team for managing to generate the worst discipline in the entire comp...... in 1 game.

In other words, the lads will come home with one prize: dirtiest team in the comp.

Also, they've done all Do-sans and playing Couilloud who is a SH at FH.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:56 pm**

You watching Xupi?

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:00 pm**

Kill me please make it end

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:03 pm**

bon, ça tombe bien, j'viens de me remettre au hockey et le rugby je sais pas, trop traumatisant passé la 40aine.

visiblement, le rugby français c'est un peu fini quoi. Bon des tournées pourries on en a eu, mais là c'était pas une équipe C

Sinon, pourquoi picamole est sorti ?

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:06 pm**

I think losing Huget did it for us.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:15 pm**

bon, picamoles, huget? qui d'autre ? on a pété tout le monde ?

elles servent à rien ces tournées d'été à la fin, à chaque fois c'est pareil depuis au moins la fin des années 90...

on est obligé de les "jouer" ?

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:17 pm**

jolindien wrote:bon, picamoles, huget? qui d'autre ? on a pété tout le monde ?

elles servent à rien ces tournées d'été à la fin, à chaque fois c'est pareil depuis au moins la fin des années 90...

on est obligé de les "jouer" ?

Je ne sais pas.

Le nombre de fautes techniques individuelles est incroyable. C'est frustrant.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:53 pm**

jolindien wrote:
Sinon, pourquoi picamole est sorti ?

Supposedly injured in the collision that sent the Safa 7 off but after last week, he's either injured or really doesn't want to be there.

The epitome. Has been stellar all season in Eng and 1 game in for France and he's been turned to sh*t.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:33 pm**

La soule wrote:I think losing Huget did it for us.

Yep!

It was THE turning point of the match.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:27 pm**

66% d'occupation et 64% de possession : voilà des statistiques qui prouvent bien que les Bleus ont certes tenu le ballon, sans vraiment savoir quoi en faire...

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:34 pm**

clementinfrance wrote:
La soule wrote:I think losing Huget did it for us.
Yep!

It was THE turning point of the match.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:42 pm**

1 New Zealand 94.78
2 England 89.87
3 Australia 86.35
4 Ireland 84.66
5 South Africa 82.87
6 Scotland 82.18
7 Wales 81.36
8 France 80.92

EIGHTH. Scotland about to be 4th. Would be interesting to speculate where Scotland would be under Noves and co. 40th?

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:26 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote:1 New Zealand 94.78
2 England 89.87
3 Australia 86.35
4 Ireland 84.66
5 South Africa 82.87
6 Scotland 82.18
7 Wales 81.36
8 France 80.92

EIGHTH. Scotland about to be 4th. Would be interesting to speculate where Scotland would be under Noves and co. 40th?

yeah, just about. Fortieth seems fair. With a rich choice of Dubois or Lagisquet for the attack, you're not far from 40th, yeah.

This is it, people. This is the turning point. This is the point where people with a shred of hindsight and common sense get more credibility over what they'd been preaching for the past year, and where all the yellers on the mainstream side start to point the fingers right about in the right direction. Finally. It took you fkng long enough, masses. It's becoming too obvious. Replace the parts with better parts and you have better results, Fofana Lamerat Ollivon and France were doing a bit better in November, Baille Lopez Nakaitaci a prime Picamoles and France were doing a tad better in the 6N, but there's still no game plan in sight for light years.

Add any good player at any line you want to this unnatural abomination, you'd be redecorating an old woman's fermented shitpile with gold.
This is now funny. It's not longer an ordeal. We're getting close to that point with PSA, far beyond despair, right at the limit of feeling concerned at all whatsoever. Only much sooner.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:37 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote:You watching Xupi?

Yes, I watched the whole thing. The Boks were a class above. Our forwards were manshamed in every contact and collision + so many gifts and errors it's almost unbelievable. François Trinh-duc...

Very disappointing, I was expecting better.

Penaud is a gem though, so is Dupont. Guirado played his heart out. Vakatawa and Spedding good.

On the Boks first try Picamoles is limping while he's in the line to defend, he has at least 3 opportunities to kill off the movement and cannot run.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:40 pm**

Guy Novès : "Il y a une vraie progression par rapport au faible niveau de la semaine dernière".

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:42 pm**

Dork Lard wrote:Guy Novès : "Il y a une vraie progression par rapport au faible niveau de la semaine dernière".

He's right, in terms of cohesion of play in general and commitment, it's much better. But the Boks just dominated us upfront and converted the many gifts handed out by some players, and Novès cannot do anything against that.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:46 pm**

Xupi wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:Guy Novès : "Il y a une vraie progression par rapport au faible niveau de la semaine dernière".
He's right, in terms of cohesion of play in general and commitment, it's much better. But the Boks just dominated us upfront and converted the many gifts handed out by some players, and Novès cannot do anything against that.

Must be the only thing he's right about these days then.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:47 pm**

Xupi wrote:He's right, in terms of cohesion of play in general and commitment, it's much better.

You're out of your goddamn mind.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:19 pm**

Xupi wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:You watching Xupi?
Yes, I watched the whole thing. The Boks were a class above. Our forwards were manshamed in every contact and collision + so many gifts and errors it's almost unbelievable. François Trinh-duc...

Very disappointing, I was expecting better.

Penaud is a gem though, so is Dupont. Guirado played his heart out. Vakatawa and Spedding good.

On the Boks first try Picamoles is limping while he's in the line to defend, he has at least 3 opportunities to kill off the movement and cannot run.

On the match thread, I commented on every error Spedding made. I was very busy. One of the worst FB performances I've seen at any level this year. He scores a try, and everyone thinks he had a good game

And Vakatawa is not a XV rugby player. That bit where he was caught easily by the SA and ran into touch. Amateur. Watch how Mike Brown countered against Arg this evening.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:21 pm**

Dork Lard wrote:Guy Novès : "Il y a une vraie progression par rapport au faible niveau de la semaine dernière".

He's right. Only lost by 22 this week. If he plays SA another 23 times, he might get a win

Someone should remind Guy that SA lost to Japan and Italy whereas Fra is losing by 3 converted tries + each game.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:28 pm**

Revised rankings
1. New Zealand 94.78
2. England 90.14
3. Ireland 85.09
4. Australia 84.63
5. Scotland 83.90
6. South Africa 83.63
7. Wales 81.90
8. France 80.16
9. Argentina 79.31
10. Fiji 76.63
11. Japan 74.09

Good job Eng poached Eddie Jones or I reckon in 12 months Japan would be above France. I think this comes close to making France 3rd tier. Very close.

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:35 pm**

Dje28 wrote: You're out of your goddamn mind.

No. The first test was worse, appalling rugby, the amount of missed tackles was incredible.

[EDIT]: I was wrong, the ratio of missed tackles is identical as last week: 24%

Posted: **Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:02 am**

Latest report card for Noves

If he were a schoolboy, he'd be making sure the dog ate it before his parents saw it.

PS Bernol not published its player ratings yet for the first time. Probably so bad for some they will be checking whether they can do zero.

Posted: **Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:07 pm**

Top 16 ( 2 x

.
5/6 foreigners in the 23
5 years spent in France minimum to be eligible to play for France

We will be back in about 10 years.

Posted: **Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:10 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote:Latest report card for Noves

If he were a schoolboy, he'd be making sure the dog ate it before his parents saw it.

PS Bernol not published its player ratings yet for the first time. Probably so bad for some they will be checking whether they can do zero.

And he gets that out again

About player ratings, this is a perfectly ridiculous (and de facto, completely useless in sense) article:
http://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/test-matc ... tory.shtml

What good does it do in any possible angle to assess every single individual when your team is playing collectively at the level of Italy, in fact lower than Italy as a unit. Typically French mentality. All about the individual. An inability to integrate the notion of 'team'. Those other national sides aren't playing THAT MUCH better, because their players are THAT MUCH better. We have a strong tendency here to think there's only and solely and nothing else, only the accumulated combined efforts of 15 individuals, and that very mentality, so deeply rooted, runs very deep and is the very reason the xv is doing so poorly.

Posted: **Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:24 pm**

...oh and btw, check this out. Forgotten too fast for the xv de France, in retrospect...:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rfwQiUjfSw

Posted: **Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:46 pm**

No surprise with suspensions and dim selections, France get arse reamed by SA in the U20s too.

So, Scotland win in Aus, their Rugby 7s teams is winning comps and their U20s just beat Aus too (and only lost 1 game in the comp).

France can only beat Tier 3 sides, 7s is an embarrass and yet another U20 comp where a whole load of talent is wasted.

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