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The Clermont curse continues with McAlister's broken hand... Guess it's going to be Parra at 10 for the foreseeable future.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
The Clermont curse continues with McAlister's broken hand... Guess it's going to be Parra at 10 for the foreseeable future.

Or the kid from the academy (they may want to wrap him in wool)


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The Clermont curse continues with McAlister's broken hand... Guess it's going to be Parra at 10 for the foreseeable future.

Or the kid from the academy (they may want to wrap him in wool)


Indeed, since they're not allowed to recruit anymore. Imho, the "Medical Joker" is the most harmful regulation in T14 right now. First team injuries happen, and they should be an opportunity for the youth to get game time. But when you're simply given an extra chance to recruit a more experienced player, possibly on the cheap as the joker generally isn't in a great situation himself, meh...


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
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The Clermont curse continues with McAlister's broken hand... Guess it's going to be Parra at 10 for the foreseeable future.

Or the kid from the academy (they may want to wrap him in wool)


Indeed, since they're not allowed to recruit anymore. Imho, the "Medical Joker" is the most harmful regulation in T14 right now. First team injuries happen, and they should be an opportunity for the youth to get game time. But when you're simply given an extra chance to recruit a more experienced player, possibly on the cheap as the joker generally isn't in a great situation himself, meh...

The kid is 18 though, he has started 1 game can you imagine him starting against saracens ?


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The Clermont curse continues with McAlister's broken hand... Guess it's going to be Parra at 10 for the foreseeable future.

Or the kid from the academy (they may want to wrap him in wool)


Indeed, since they're not allowed to recruit anymore. Imho, the "Medical Joker" is the most harmful regulation in T14 right now. First team injuries happen, and they should be an opportunity for the youth to get game time. But when you're simply given an extra chance to recruit a more experienced player, possibly on the cheap as the joker generally isn't in a great situation himself, meh...

The kid is 18 though, he has started 1 game can you imagine him starting against saracens ?


He'd have started more games had buying McAlister not been an option. Sure, that wouldn't have given him International experience or made him a better option than Parra vs Saracens, but surely that's the nature of a "first team" that having to replace one player with one from the rest of the squad is a downgrade. That's how the coiffeurs get their chance, even if it's a poisoned chalice at times. Well, unless there's a new recruitment option. I'm really not a fan of medical jokers, and I saw a fair share of them in the past few years at Toulon...


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
The Clermont curse continues with McAlister's broken hand... Guess it's going to be Parra at 10 for the foreseeable future.

Or the kid from the academy (they may want to wrap him in wool)


Indeed, since they're not allowed to recruit anymore. Imho, the "Medical Joker" is the most harmful regulation in T14 right now. First team injuries happen, and they should be an opportunity for the youth to get game time. But when you're simply given an extra chance to recruit a more experienced player, possibly on the cheap as the joker generally isn't in a great situation himself, meh...

The kid is 18 though, he has started 1 game can you imagine him starting against saracens ?


He'd have started more games had buying McAlister not been an option. Sure, that wouldn't have given him International experience or made him a better option than Parra vs Saracens, but surely that's the nature of a "first team" that having to replace one player with one from the rest of the squad is a downgrade. That's how the coiffeurs get their chance, even if it's a poisoned chalice at times. Well, unless there's a new recruitment option. I'm really not a fan of medical jokers, and I saw a fair share of them in the past few years at Toulon...


Clermont are usually very happy to fastTrack a player their academy does quite well with that.

as well as getting interesting jokers. (a 10 at this time of year is rare and then he broke as well :( )


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Wondering if most of these injuries [ Fofana, Lopez, Fernandez, Nakaitaci, Cassang, Laidlaw and now Mc Alister] have anything to do with this new hybrid pitch.


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Where do you coach, Dork ?


Why does it matter? Quel post de merde serieux. Mesquin...

Tu as raison.

Sorry Dork ! I don't always agree with you, but you're a passionate fan and that was a bit below the belt.


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Heymans is a Dork Multi ?

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More fuel to "my personal obsession" (because Noves' incompetence and France's woes aren't real, they're just my personal obsession):

State of the nation: France

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/state-o ... -france-9/

"Well, where to start with one of the great conundrums in world rugby? Guy Noves always seemed a peculiar appointment for the national team in 2015, given the waning form of Toulouse during the latter part of his tenure there, and Les Bleus’ performances since he took charge has only served to question the wisdom of the FFR.

The autumn internationals were the latest in a long line of catastrophes, with France losing to both New Zealand (twice) and South Africa before somehow contriving to draw against Japan.

That is not to denigrate the Brave Blossoms’ efforts who, under the guidance of Jamie Joseph, are well coached, but Noves’ men should have had too much power for the 2019 World Cup hosts." [...]


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Macalou :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Just watched some highlights of last WE action in the Top14, and was pleased to see the Castres forwards taking the ball at pace after a slow ruck. So, it seems that French teams can do the basics right at times...


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Most underrated lock of the modern era as far as I'm concerned. Thank you France for being so awful during that era and dropping all your really good players' reputations to shit like that. :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwMulBA53rw


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Most underrated lock of the modern era as far as I'm concerned. Thank you France for being so awful during that era and dropping all your really good players' reputations to shit like that. :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwMulBA53rw


I guess he is only underrated in your.imagination.


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Most underrated lock of the modern era as far as I'm concerned. Thank you France for being so awful during that era and dropping all your really good players' reputations to shit like that. :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwMulBA53rw


I guess he is only underrated in your.imagination.

he is a bit special :lol:


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TheFrog wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:
Most underrated lock of the modern era as far as I'm concerned. Thank you France for being so awful during that era and dropping all your really good players' reputations to shit like that. :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwMulBA53rw


I guess he is only underrated in your.imagination.


Go ask a NZ'er, Australian or South African what that tall Pacific lock who plays for France's name is.
Read any fan's (who isn't French) European XV, name won't appear a single time, and if you asked the fans they'd admit they hadn't even considered putting him there.
Put the same Sébastien Vahaamahina, pound for pound, in an All-Blacks jersey or even Wallabies or Ireland and see him crowd all those fan lists and become a contender for best Top 3 second rowers in the world. If that's not the actual definition of underrated, and you even but half agree with this point, you need to use your imagination to pick up a dictionary. :nod:


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Dork Lard wrote:
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Dork Lard wrote:
Most underrated lock of the modern era as far as I'm concerned. Thank you France for being so awful during that era and dropping all your really good players' reputations to shit like that. :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwMulBA53rw


I guess he is only underrated in your.imagination.


Go ask a NZ'er, Australian or South African what that tall Pacific lock who plays for France's name is.
Read any fan's (who isn't French) European XV, name won't appear a single time, and if you asked the fans they'd admit they hadn't even considered putting him there.
Put the same Sébastien Vahaamahina, pound for pound, in an All-Blacks jersey or even Wallabies or Ireland and see him crowd all those fan lists and become a contender for best Top 3 second rowers in the world. If that's not the actual definition of underrated, and you even but half agree with this point, you need to use your imagination to pick up a dictionary. :nod:


Mind you, you understand that players like Rettalick, Whitelock, Etzebeth, Itoje or Kruis for example are top material too...


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TheFrog wrote:
Just watched some highlights of last WE action in the Top14, and was pleased to see the Castres forwards taking the ball at pace after a slow ruck. So, it seems that French teams can do the basics right at times...


mouais... mais tu connais l'adage : au royaume des borgnes, les mecs qui sortent d'optic 2000 sont rois.

donc c'est bien gentil d'être bon avec les mêmes que toi dans le T14, le truc c'est d'être bon (dans les basics hein, pas bon dans l'absolu non plus) quand t'as du gros niveau qui te marche dessus. Et là, c'est pas pareil tintin.


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Statistique intéressante dans le match Toulon-Bath... sur tout le match, les 3/4 Toulonnais ne se sont fait que 12 passes au total! :shock:


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Statistique intéressante dans le match Toulon-Bath... sur tout le match, les 3/4 Toulonnais ne se sont fait que 12 passes au total! :shock:

Galthié is no Cotter, but at least they're showing signs of being collectively homogeneous A BIT. Like. They're building phases that seem collectively deliberate, actually practiced during the week, rather than sending Tuisova smash 3 guys then Vermeulen picks up offloads to a static Bastareaud who wiggles off 2 defenders and falls to ground, no rhythm no clue just the purest reaction, so on. ... Toulon are picking up a little bit of form collectively, although today was no masterclass of how to play attacking Rugby either (OR how to defend)


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La Rochelle youth vs Wasps :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Statistique intéressante dans le match Toulon-Bath... sur tout le match, les 3/4 Toulonnais ne se sont fait que 12 passes au total! :shock:

Galthié is no Cotter, but at least they're showing signs of being collectively homogeneous A BIT. Like. They're building phases that seem collectively deliberate, actually practiced during the week, rather than sending Tuisova smash 3 guys then Vermeulen picks up offloads to a static Bastareaud who wiggles off 2 defenders and falls to ground, no rhythm no clue just the purest reaction, so on. ... Toulon are picking up a little bit of form collectively, although today was no masterclass of how to play attacking Rugby either (OR how to defend)


Or how to scrum...


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Statistique intéressante dans le match Toulon-Bath... sur tout le match, les 3/4 Toulonnais ne se sont fait que 12 passes au total! :shock:

It's pathetic. Presumably the ABs get televised occasionally in France? And yet only LaR (and sometime ASM) try to play modern... WINNING rugby whereas RCT are trying to emulate SA of early noughties.


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French players reveling full bloom in holding their place in their respective club, utterly thriving individually. This has to be a major slap in the staff's face; those players do very well against the best in the continent, but play at the level of Canada when he's in charge; as it was a slap in the face for PSA before but at least he was a great ol' fellow with an enormous heart and tremendous humility. Noves couldn't even remotely come within proximity of hinting at the problem possibly coming from the staff. It's disgusting, absolutely repulsive, he's turned into a disgrace there's no other word and hopefully it will end very soon.
It's about time those actually still deploying the old "I don't think any other coach would change much" narrative should start thinking about it a bit, well, a lot deeper.


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Delighted by the Clermont victory. I hope they remain focused next week and don't allow the Saracens back in the competition.

Clermont have been sloppy in their last two Top14 outtings, letting teams they should have well beaten back in the game. But they seem to be focused on winning the Champions Cup this season, so I think there will be no complacency.

Hoping they carry this form back in the Top14 though, they're still trailing in 9th position.


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Take Clermont with their regular fully fit lineup and coaching staff team. So that's Chaume, replace Kayser by a much better Guirado, then Slimani Jedrasiak Vahaamahina, replace Cancorriet with a much better Macalou at 6, replace Lapandry with Gourdon, and Fritz Lee the kiwi by Louis Picamoles. Parra and Lopez, Fofana and Lamerat (or Penaud) for your 9-10-12-13 axis, with Nakaitaci on the wing and replace Strettle by french speedster Lacroix (or Rattez if you prefer stepping over sheer pace). At the back, a powerful Spedding replaced by Dulin who's much more instinctively efficient and will produce attacking opportunities.

Clermont can beat Leinster without excessive difficulty in a quarter final, who are the Irish national team, so test level. This is an upgraded Clermont XV, with a considerably better bench. They would be a certain contender at the 6N. Currently, France are a contender for the Wooden Spoon. Put two and two together..


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Take Clermont with their regular fully fit lineup and coaching staff team. So that's Chaume, replace Kayser by a much better Guirado, then Slimani Jedrasiak Vahaamahina, replace Cancorriet with a much better Macalou at 6, replace Lapandry with Gourdon, and Fritz Lee the kiwi by Louis Picamoles. Parra and Lopez, Fofana and Lamerat (or Penaud) for your 9-10-12-13 axis, with Nakaitaci on the wing and replace Strettle by french speedster Lacroix (or Rattez if you prefer stepping over sheer pace). At the back, a powerful Spedding replaced by Dulin who's much more instinctively efficient and will produce attacking opportunities.

Clermont can beat Leinster without excessive difficulty in a quarter final, who are the Irish national team, so test level. This is an upgraded Clermont XV, with a considerably better bench. They would be a certain contender at the 6N. Currently, France are a contender for the Wooden Spoon. Put two and two together..


Almost. You forgot Teddy Thomas instead of Nakataici and Bonneval or Ducuing at FB rather than Dulin who is crap.


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clementinfrance wrote:
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Take Clermont with their regular fully fit lineup and coaching staff team. So that's Chaume, replace Kayser by a much better Guirado, then Slimani Jedrasiak Vahaamahina, replace Cancorriet with a much better Macalou at 6, replace Lapandry with Gourdon, and Fritz Lee the kiwi by Louis Picamoles. Parra and Lopez, Fofana and Lamerat (or Penaud) for your 9-10-12-13 axis, with Nakaitaci on the wing and replace Strettle by french speedster Lacroix (or Rattez if you prefer stepping over sheer pace). At the back, a powerful Spedding replaced by Dulin who's much more instinctively efficient and will produce attacking opportunities.

Clermont can beat Leinster without excessive difficulty in a quarter final, who are the Irish national team, so test level. This is an upgraded Clermont XV, with a considerably better bench. They would be a certain contender at the 6N. Currently, France are a contender for the Wooden Spoon. Put two and two together..


Almost. You forgot Teddy Thomas instead of Nakataici and Bonneval or Ducuing at FB rather than Dulin who is crap.

So you obviously agree with the post. People are extreeeeeeeeeemely timid, fearful even in France of flat out saying what they think and spelling out what actual real life decisions they would take, so I'd like to see one, one single Clermont or La Rochelle fan actually signing a petition for Noves and staff to replace the current Azema and Collazo coaching teams. Actually seeing the pen down.

Sidenote: I think Dulin is underrated. He's not perfect, but calling him "crap". Have you ppl given the guy enough time watching the Racing games ? I would bet not.


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Boudreau, c'est quand même un patron redoutable!

http://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/boudjellal-presente-le-match-de-noel.-en-se-payant-le-duo-galthie-landreau_sto6442104/story.shtml

Ça fracasse.


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Almost. You forgot Teddy Thomas instead of Nakataici and Bonneval or Ducuing at FB rather than Dulin who is crap.

Yup. For all his attitude problems (manifest again in that showboating v CO), Thomas is a real threat winger. It's down to coaching to iron him out or ship him out. Ridiculous that Huget or Vakatawa are deemed ahead of him.

I just never got Dulin. Ever. Another in a long line of woeful FBs.


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Ah ca, il me fait rire, mais je suis content de pas l'avoir comme chef. :lol:


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I just never got Dulin. Ever. Another in a long line of woeful FBs.

Again he's not a champ (well, actually he is..) but woeful is just way excessive. A guy who constantly beats defenders and has been known to open up defenses on his own, that can't be "woeful". He's also excellent under the high ball, and his most underrated quality is he's got an educated foot (because everybody's focusing on the happy feet not the educate foot). He's good cover, has real pace and is composed under pressure but is not the best defender as we all know but surely emphasize way too much.

I don't think I know a fullback in the world over those 4-5 years who wiggles out of a tackle that seemed certain like he does apart from Folau. There's no doubt he's better than Spedding, he'll certainly make a ton more impact than any of Ducuing or Buttin or whoever, and unlike a Hugo Bonneval he's actually got a lot more than just pace.


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Dork Lard wrote:
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I just never got Dulin. Ever. Another in a long line of woeful FBs.

Again he's not a champ (well, actually he is..) but woeful is just way excessive. A guy who constantly beats defenders and has been known to open up defenses on his own, that can't be "woeful". He's also excellent under the high ball, and his most underrated quality is he's got an educated foot (because everybody's focusing on the happy feet not the educate foot). He's good cover, has real pace and is composed under pressure but is not the best defender as we all know but surely emphasize way too much.

I don't think I know a fullback in the world over those 4-5 years who wiggles out of a tackle that seemed certain like he does apart from Folau. There's no doubt he's better than Spedding, he'll certainly make a ton more impact than any of Ducuing or Buttin or whoever, and unlike a Hugo Bonneval he's actually got a lot more than just pace.


Yeah yeah. Unfortunately for him, and us rugby fans, he has never shown any of what you describe for the XV de France.


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
I just never got Dulin. Ever. Another in a long line of woeful FBs.

Again he's not a champ (well, actually he is..) but woeful is just way excessive. A guy who constantly beats defenders and has been known to open up defenses on his own, that can't be "woeful". He's also excellent under the high ball, and his most underrated quality is he's got an educated foot (because everybody's focusing on the happy feet not the educate foot). He's good cover, has real pace and is composed under pressure but is not the best defender as we all know but surely emphasize way too much.

I don't think I know a fullback in the world over those 4-5 years who wiggles out of a tackle that seemed certain like he does apart from Folau. There's no doubt he's better than Spedding, he'll certainly make a ton more impact than any of Ducuing or Buttin or whoever, and unlike a Hugo Bonneval he's actually got a lot more than just pace.


Yeah yeah. Unfortunately for him, and us rugby fans, he has never shown any of what you describe for the XV de France.

Médard was the only other guy in the league capable of matching Dulin's footwork and counterattacking/defender beating ability at 15, and he was far more largely anonymous in bleu over those years. When you play under PSA, and your attacking coach is Patrice motherfkkng Lagisquet, you usually don't shine much as a diminutive attacking back. What the hell was he supposed to do, split open the English, Irish, Australian or Boks' defense on his own, right ? But you watch a bit of what he can do at Racing and you've got an idea of the guy's talent.
Here's an investment for you: watch just the first 4 min of this, just the half of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDq7L3qzGDI&t=10s


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Dork Lard wrote:
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
I just never got Dulin. Ever. Another in a long line of woeful FBs.

Again he's not a champ (well, actually he is..) but woeful is just way excessive. A guy who constantly beats defenders and has been known to open up defenses on his own, that can't be "woeful". He's also excellent under the high ball, and his most underrated quality is he's got an educated foot (because everybody's focusing on the happy feet not the educate foot). He's good cover, has real pace and is composed under pressure but is not the best defender as we all know but surely emphasize way too much.

I don't think I know a fullback in the world over those 4-5 years who wiggles out of a tackle that seemed certain like he does apart from Folau. There's no doubt he's better than Spedding, he'll certainly make a ton more impact than any of Ducuing or Buttin or whoever, and unlike a Hugo Bonneval he's actually got a lot more than just pace.


Yeah yeah. Unfortunately for him, and us rugby fans, he has never shown any of what you describe for the XV de France.

Médard was the only other guy in the league capable of matching Dulin's footwork and counterattacking/defender beating ability at 15, and he was far more largely anonymous in bleu over those years. When you play under PSA, and your attacking coach is Patrice motherfkkng Lagisquet, you usually don't shine much as a diminutive attacking back. What the hell was he supposed to do, split open the English, Irish, Australian or Boks' defense on his own, right ? But you watch a bit of what he can do at Racing and you've got an idea of the guy's talent.
Here's an investment for you: watch just the first 4 min of this, just the half of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDq7L3qzGDI&t=10s


I was a big fan of Médard, who unlike Dulin did play well on a few occasions for the XV de France. Unfortunately he faded due to injuries etc....

Nice video BTW, but I did not see Dulin in a French shirt in any of the clips.

I'd like you to make another highlight reel, this time of his performance in the 2015 RWC quarter final... :lol: :? :((


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ben moi j'aime bien dulin, toujours bien aimé dulin... même si le coton c'est bien aussi.


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I just never got Dulin. Ever. Another in a long line of woeful FBs.

Again he's not a champ (well, actually he is..) but woeful is just way excessive. A guy who constantly beats defenders and has been known to open up defenses on his own, that can't be "woeful". He's also excellent under the high ball, and his most underrated quality is he's got an educated foot (because everybody's focusing on the happy feet not the educate foot). He's good cover, has real pace and is composed under pressure but is not the best defender as we all know but surely emphasize way too much.

I don't think I know a fullback in the world over those 4-5 years who wiggles out of a tackle that seemed certain like he does apart from Folau. There's no doubt he's better than Spedding, he'll certainly make a ton more impact than any of Ducuing or Buttin or whoever, and unlike a Hugo Bonneval he's actually got a lot more than just pace.

Don't agree on a lot of that.
1) Yes. He's quick. But just runs up dead ends, away from support and turns the ball over. A weapon that fires blanks.
2) His kicking game is sh*t. Just aimless and often results in huge pressure from counter attacking opponents because he kicks too deep or aimlessly and then doesn't bring his players onside.
3) Less than average under the high ball. Not because he can't catch but because defensively, he is positionally dreadful and also because he is too short for a FB. There have been no great midget FBs I can think of.
4) Composure? Seriously? Maybe he's just brain dead and so is composed but his pea brain can't make the right choices.

He wouldn't make selection at FB for any of the other nations in the top 10.


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Dork Lard wrote:
clementinfrance wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
I just never got Dulin. Ever. Another in a long line of woeful FBs.

Again he's not a champ (well, actually he is..) but woeful is just way excessive. A guy who constantly beats defenders and has been known to open up defenses on his own, that can't be "woeful". He's also excellent under the high ball, and his most underrated quality is he's got an educated foot (because everybody's focusing on the happy feet not the educate foot). He's good cover, has real pace and is composed under pressure but is not the best defender as we all know but surely emphasize way too much.

I don't think I know a fullback in the world over those 4-5 years who wiggles out of a tackle that seemed certain like he does apart from Folau. There's no doubt he's better than Spedding, he'll certainly make a ton more impact than any of Ducuing or Buttin or whoever, and unlike a Hugo Bonneval he's actually got a lot more than just pace.


Yeah yeah. Unfortunately for him, and us rugby fans, he has never shown any of what you describe for the XV de France.

Médard was the only other guy in the league capable of matching Dulin's footwork and counterattacking/defender beating ability at 15, and he was far more largely anonymous in bleu over those years. When you play under PSA, and your attacking coach is Patrice motherfkkng Lagisquet, you usually don't shine much as a diminutive attacking back. What the hell was he supposed to do, split open the English, Irish, Australian or Boks' defense on his own, right ? But you watch a bit of what he can do at Racing and you've got an idea of the guy's talent.
Here's an investment for you: watch just the first 4 min of this, just the half of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDq7L3qzGDI&t=10s

Medard needed to be in a mental institution and not the rugby field.

I'm with clement here. One good game against Arg 3rds (which made even Michalak look good...) is the sum total of his contribution at intl level. Here is typical Dulin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6bIB1yrglc


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clementinfrance wrote:
I was a big fan of Médard, who unlike Dulin did play well on a few occasions for the XV de France. Unfortunately he faded due to injuries etc....

Nice video BTW, but I did not see Dulin in a French shirt in any of the clips.

I'd like you to make another highlight reel, this time of his performance in the 2015 RWC quarter final... :lol: :? :((

I don't think that would be very significant as Dulin is and will always be a fullback, not a winger... and from that first time he got left for dead by Watson (2015 warmup game) it should've been clear enough his place wasn't defending channels out wide, but I'm no coach right. Glad you like the video. Brice Dulin is not a favorite of Mr.Noves who preferred to reinstate Toulouse fullback Max Médard at 15, with no success. Brice Dulin doesn't play in bleu until the very last match of the year that season, vs the All-Blacks, where he had an absolute cracker despite getting few touches. But you see, people don't remember all the facts (oh especially in France), they remember the parts that they like.

A such example is Vahaamahina which I've been a fierce defender of since about he came out. I remember clearly games early on when he was one of the best French players (NZ Nov. 2013, Pumas 2014) but the good people just wouldn't see it. It took him becoming by a colossal immeasurable distance the best lock in France for the good people to acknowledge his quality. He was labeled "soft" despite winning turnovers at the bdown, defending mauls hard, bringing girth to the pack and putting in the 10-15 tackles.


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