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panamax wrote:

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Après la défaite en Ecosse, dimanche, les joueurs de l'équipe de France avaient obtenu une permission de sortie de la part de l'encadrement des Bleus. Une soirée qui s'est finie en bagarre avec des supporters écossais.

mieux vaut en rire...

they are thick, like really really really thick...

Tsss tsss... #legroupevitbien

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Après la défaite en Ecosse, dimanche, les joueurs de l'équipe de France avaient obtenu une permission de sortie de la part de l'encadrement des Bleus. Une soirée qui s'est finie en bagarre avec des supporters écossais.

Lu sur Eurosport:

A tous les coups, l'histoire commence quand Laporte se fait recaler de la boite car il voulais rentrer en survet

panamax wrote:

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Après la défaite en Ecosse, dimanche, les joueurs de l'équipe de France avaient obtenu une permission de sortie de la part de l'encadrement des Bleus. Une soirée qui s'est finie en bagarre avec des supporters écossais.

mieux vaut en rire...

they are thick, like really really really thick...

FFS...

Lack of brains... Lack of nerves...

TheFrog wrote:

panamax wrote:

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Après la défaite en Ecosse, dimanche, les joueurs de l'équipe de France avaient obtenu une permission de sortie de la part de l'encadrement des Bleus. Une soirée qui s'est finie en bagarre avec des supporters écossais.

mieux vaut en rire...

they are thick, like really really really thick...

FFS...

Lack of brains... Lack of nerves...

Yup. Lack of composure or clear thinking on or off the field.

https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Well, apparently they were only heard as potential witnesses for a sexual assault that took place in the area.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit disappointed.

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Well, apparently they were only heard as potential witnesses for a sexual assault that took place in the area.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit disappointed.

scottish police: "guys we heard an old gipsy man was gang raped by a crook and a doctor , did you hear anything?"

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Well, apparently they were only heard as potential witnesses for a sexual assault that took place in the area.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit disappointed.

Witnessed but didn't touch... Were they talking of the ball?

What a bunch of idiots.

Ps: Xupi, Wasn't talking about the players.

panamax wrote:

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Well, apparently they were only heard as potential witnesses for a sexual assault that took place in the area.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit disappointed.

scottish police: "guys we heard an old gipsy man was gang raped by a crook and a doctor , did you hear anything?"

Nobody knows anything about what happened so let's keep calm.

It seems a few of them were seriously pissed though...

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

panamax wrote:

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Well, apparently they were only heard as potential witnesses for a sexual assault that took place in the area.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit disappointed.

scottish police: "guys we heard an old gipsy man was gang raped by a crook and a doctor , did you hear anything?"

jo, photoshop plse

The flanker pairing for France was pretty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g91S8SsXpao

Tauleigne was pretty good also, just needs int'l caps.
Iturria had his first genuinely quality match as an int'l. He's just 23 and a total pencil-lock, and yet he snatched two balls from the Scottish bdown, bothered a few more, tackled with intent and intelligently (there's one big help-tackle he makes on a play that could've lead to a fatal clean break) and he was a France player who actually stole an opposition lineout. God willing if this guy can stay on the pitch (he IS very fragile...), and piles on the caps, he's going to be one of the best modern locks we've seen yet. He hasn't even shown his best: his offensive ability with the ball. He and a wiser Vahaamahina (now 26) are going to dominate both with Clermont and France soon.

Dork Lard wrote: Iturria had his first genuinely quality match as an int'l. He's just 23 and a total pencil-lock, and yet he snatched two balls from the Scottish bdown, bothered a few more, tackled with intent and intelligently (there's one big help-tackle he makes on a play that could've lead to a fatal clean break) and he was a France player who actually stole an opposition lineout. God willing if this guy can stay on the pitch (he IS very fragile...), and piles on the caps, he's going to be one of the best modern locks we've seen yet. He hasn't even shown his best: his offensive ability with the ball. He and a wiser Vahaamahina (now 26) are going to dominate both with Clermont and France soon.

Agreed and this is one of the few good news in our rugby; we've been very weak at second row since a few years now (since the retirement of Nallet) and those two are real solid talents and will continue to improve with age and experience. This is a positive momentum going forward for our pack in the years to come.

Xupi wrote:

Dork Lard wrote: Iturria had his first genuinely quality match as an int'l. He's just 23 and a total pencil-lock, and yet he snatched two balls from the Scottish bdown, bothered a few more, tackled with intent and intelligently (there's one big help-tackle he makes on a play that could've lead to a fatal clean break) and he was a France player who actually stole an opposition lineout. God willing if this guy can stay on the pitch (he IS very fragile...), and piles on the caps, he's going to be one of the best modern locks we've seen yet. He hasn't even shown his best: his offensive ability with the ball. He and a wiser Vahaamahina (now 26) are going to dominate both with Clermont and France soon.

Agreed and this is one of the few good news in our rugby; we've been very weak at second row since a few years now (since the retirement of Nallet) and those two are real solid talents and will continue to improve with age and experience. This is a positive momentum going forward for our pack in the years to come.

A transition was necessary. I wouldn't even so much pin it on French ineptness, if you look at the locks around, even England a nation traditionally very strong for the position during the early Lancaster years they were pretty underwhelming and ordinary there: Parling, an ordinary Lawes or Launchbury. France had to let go of the Papé, Maestri ..and move to the Vahaamahina who made the transition brilliantly (was just another huge slow islander lump at Perpignan), Iturria, Gabrillagues, Lambey, Rebbadj.

More generally, France have been very modern with the players they've produced in the pack: surely the most modern front row overall with all the Ben Arous Priso Pelo Poirot/Bourgarit Tolofua Chat Marchand/Gomes Sa Hamadache Guillamon Boughanmi.
And the back row with constantly newer faces in Camara, Macalou, Tauleigne, Ollivon, Lakafia, Sanconnie, Galletier...all highly modern profiles who are so much more than mere tacklers, all with considerable offensive capacity, the newest being Woki at Bordeaux.

For the backrow in general I remain much underwhelmed.

Lauret finally showed signs of his best years several seasons ago (might have been AI 2015?), and Camara is a work-horse with amazing fitness but is a little lacklustre in offense. Gourdon yes. Tauleigne, TBC. Picamoles is half the man he used to be.

Until the start of this decade we had more or less be continuously blessed with some of the world's best backrowers. We're not there yet, the names you put forward have potential but I remain to be convinced.

On another note, I was listenng to Thomas Lombard and... Philippe St André on the radio tonight on my way back from work, and they were explaining how off camera they could see in the second half the Scots sprinting to play their line-outs or penalties, so as to accelerate play as much as possible. According to them, it's because Anglo nations have identified France as being physically less fit with a potentially to implode during the second half...

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

Well, apparently they were only heard as potential witnesses for a sexual assault that took place in the area.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit disappointed.

Serge Simon est resté avec les joueurs pour gérer tout ça

Xupi wrote:

Dork Lard wrote: Iturria had his first genuinely quality match as an int'l. He's just 23 and a total pencil-lock, and yet he snatched two balls from the Scottish bdown, bothered a few more, tackled with intent and intelligently (there's one big help-tackle he makes on a play that could've lead to a fatal clean break) and he was a France player who actually stole an opposition lineout. God willing if this guy can stay on the pitch (he IS very fragile...), and piles on the caps, he's going to be one of the best modern locks we've seen yet. He hasn't even shown his best: his offensive ability with the ball. He and a wiser Vahaamahina (now 26) are going to dominate both with Clermont and France soon.

Agreed and this is one of the few good news in our rugby; we've been very weak at second row since a few years now (since the retirement of Nallet) and those two are real solid talents and will continue to improve with age and experience. This is a positive momentum going forward for our pack in the years to come.

There is no shortage of potentially v good locks. To start with
- both Jedrasiak and Iturria looked the business at U20 level (I thought Iturria had more ability but they complement one another as enforcer and mobility). So same old story here: would T14 ruin them
- Vaahhaa and Tao both could be great. And both are lazy and dim.
- you might be able to do something with Flanquart if he had some aggression.

And get rid off all the SA journeymen.

Xupi wrote:For the backrow in general I remain much underwhelmed.

I'm with you.

No idea what anyone saw in Camara. He goes in too high in the tackle always so even when he makes the tackle, the opposition have made yards. He can't seem to time a jump in open play: for example, he was beaten by Hogg who is half his height. He makes no ground in attack. In short, he is a very, very poor man's Macalou.

Lauret: was a big fan. One of only 2 proper fetchers with Burban. But in classic French selection, he is now getting a run when it seems his best days are gone.

I don't know what the answer is a 8. There seemed to be a raft of possibilities not so long ago but
- Galan apparently doesn't give a sh*t
- Pica blows hot and cold
- Ollivon is perma broken
etc

Symptomatic of this malaise has seen several flankers shoe-horned in at 8 including Jelonch, Camara, Goujon....

Macalou seems a no brainer to give a decent run too. Jelonch might become a real deal. 8? Throw a dart at a board.

More controversy:
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/xv-de-fr ... tory.shtml

Brunel stating the players did not have permission to "go on the town" which is a contradiction to what the players claimed, ergo, someone is lying.

Great start to Brunel's reign when 2nd match in he has players showing 2 fingers to his authority.

Ils entrent dans le groupe :
Mathieu Babillot, Mathieu Bastareaud, Camille Chat, Gaël Fickou , Kelian Galletier, Rémy Grosso, Bernard Le Roux , Romain Taofifenua, François Trinh-Duc

Ils sortent du groupe : Félix Lambey, Arthur Iturria , Louis Picamoles, Sekou Macalou, Alexandre Lapandry, Anthony Belleau , Rémi Lamerat , Jonathan Danty , Teddy Thomas


Eh ben on est bons, ça sent la victoire contre l Italie tout ça.

Ah oui aussi ya a peu près 20 000 places vendues pour le vélodrome. Ça va faire vide...

le retour de la normalite, facon francaise.

La moustache veut la cuillère

"Le sélectionneur-manageur de l’équipe de France a décidé d’exclure de cette liste les joueurs qui sont sortis après la défaite en Ecosse. Par ce comportement inapproprié, ils n’ont pas respecté leur statut de joueur international et les devoirs qui en découlent." Un choix qui condamne notamment le seul marqueur des Bleus depuis le début de la compétition à savoir l'ailier du Racing 92 Teddy Thomas (trois essais). Ils sont neuf au total à payer la deuxième défaite française dans ce Tournoi et pour certains cette troisième mi-temps à Edimbourg avec les auditions par la police écossaise : Louis Picamoles, Sekou Macalou, Félix Lambey, Arthur Iturria, Rémi Lamerat, Anthony Belleau, Jonathan Danty et Alexandre Lapandry.

Thomas already out... Plus ca change...

Heymans wrote:Ils entrent dans le groupe :
Mathieu Babillot, Mathieu Bastareaud, Camille Chat, Gaël Fickou , Kelian Galletier, Rémy Grosso, Bernard Le Roux , Romain Taofifenua, François Trinh-Duc

Ils sortent du groupe : Félix Lambey, Arthur Iturria , Louis Picamoles, Sekou Macalou, Alexandre Lapandry, Anthony Belleau , Rémi Lamerat , Jonathan Danty , Teddy Thomas


Eh ben on est bons, ça sent la victoire contre l Italie tout ça.

Ah oui aussi ya a peu près 20 000 places vendues pour le vélodrome. Ça va faire vide...

agree with you
Nuts, crazy , this will teach them , so now a 20 something rugby player can't go out after a game whatever.
And we thought we saw the worst during the Lievremont / st Andre era, it'll be the 2nd time that I won't watch an EDF' 6N game. Degouté.

Well, there are lots of obvious downgrades there. But to be fair, if that was enough to set the disciplinary trend, it's totally worth it. Imho the same should apply to on-pitch costly antics such as Vahaa's sequence of brain-dead penalties against Ireland.

That said, O'Shea must be licking his lips right now.

Quelle bande de crétins...

So when they were complaining about Noves' "authority", it was in fact about going out on the piss. Way to make the new coach look like a fool.

lexpat wrote: so now a 20 something rugby player can't go out after a game whatever.

There is a gap between going out for a few beers as a group and ending plastered and getting into a fight...

mais... mais..... "Le groupe vit bien..."



There is something rotten to the core of French rugby....

i'm sure Bernard will now round them in a room and read them pieces of the Ann Frank diary, or the Gulag Archipelago, to cheer everybody up and bring back cohesion


#legroupevitbien

Quitte à perdre tous les matchs, au moins ils se prennent des cuites mémorables tout en balançant quelques gifles à des mecs en kilt

Ben c'est sûr, avant on pouvait balancer les gifles pendant le match et maintenant c'est interdit, alors les gars sont frustrés pardi.

Xupi wrote:Quitte à perdre tous les matchs, au moins ils se prennent des cuites mémorables tout en balançant quelques gifles à des mecs en kilt

Ben c'est sûr, avant on pouvait balancer les gifles pendant le match et maintenant c'est interdit, alors les gars sont frustrés pardi.

giffler des mecs en kilt y a des clubs pour ca, ente le marais et la Bastille...

panamax wrote: giffler des mecs en kilt y a des clubs pour ca, ente le marais et la Bastille...

Heymans wrote:Ils entrent dans le groupe :
Mathieu Babillot, Mathieu Bastareaud, Camille Chat, Gaël Fickou , Kelian Galletier, Rémy Grosso, Bernard Le Roux , Romain Taofifenua, François Trinh-Duc

Ils sortent du groupe : Félix Lambey, Arthur Iturria , Louis Picamoles, Sekou Macalou, Alexandre Lapandry, Anthony Belleau , Rémi Lamerat , Jonathan Danty , Teddy Thomas


Eh ben on est bons, ça sent la victoire contre l Italie tout ça.

Ah oui aussi ya a peu près 20 000 places vendues pour le vélodrome. Ça va faire vide...

https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/xv-de-fr ... tory.shtml

French rugby is one 24 hour, 365 day farce.

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:Thomas already out... Plus ca change...

And Picamoles.

Both have form for pissing off management.

Xupi wrote:

panamax wrote: giffler des mecs en kilt y a des clubs pour ca, ente le marais et la Bastille...

lexpat wrote: Nuts, crazy , this will teach them , so now a 20 something rugby player can't go out after a game whatever.

Actually, no. Because its "a 20 something PROFESSIONAL rugby player". If you don't want to be a professional, f**k off and get a job like the rest of us. Or get a T14 contract....

Just being discussing this with some other lads who played rugby and view was the same. After you lost, what sort of c**t wants to go out on the town? At best, all of us would have drowned our sorrows in the clubhouse. Many of us just wanted to go home and sulk.

Have to question just how much playing for France really matters to these guys.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:Just being discussing this with some other lads who played rugby and view was the same. After you lost, what sort of c**t wants to go out on the town. At best, all of us would have drowned our sorrows in the clubhouse. Many of us just wanted to go home and sulk.

I take it you skimped on context? Because barring some exceptional circumstances, in the little of amateur rugby I played, win or lose, we'd go for pints at the home team's local and the losing team would laugh it off with the opposition.

Now in a high-stakes professional context I'd expect things to run differently but no, I wouldn't say it's the rule that the losing team fcuks off asap to sulk.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

lexpat wrote: Nuts, crazy , this will teach them , so now a 20 something rugby player can't go out after a game whatever.

Actually, no. Because its "a 20 something PROFESSIONAL rugby player". If you don't want to be a professional, f**k off and get a job like the rest of us. Or get a T14 contract....

Just being discussing this with some other lads who played rugby and view was the same. After you lost, what sort of c**t wants to go out on the town? At best, all of us would have drowned our sorrows in the clubhouse. Many of us just wanted to go home and sulk.

Have to question just how much playing for France really matters to these guys. same for me

You are right, a professional or amateur player wearing the national' team jersey should not behave like they did, I was thinking about rugby in general or at least the one I know... knew.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Just being discussing this with some other lads who played rugby and view was the same. After you lost, what sort of c**t wants to go out on the town? At best, all of us would have drowned our sorrows in the clubhouse. Many of us just wanted to go home and sulk.

What bullsh*t is this? in the amateur world I played in (which includes France, UAE and Malaysia) we would all get royally pissed after every game, and whether we were on the giving or receiving end of a thumping did not matter one bit.