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aie aie aie, ça va mal dans la capitale.

Camara s'énerve:
«Il est temps qu’on se bouge le cul. La relégation nous pend au nez si on continue comme ça. Franchement, quand je regarde l’équipe qu’on a sur le terrain, je n’arrive pas à comprendre comment on peut perdre tous ces matchs. Je n’ai pas envie de balancer, dans tous les effectifs il y a des différences de niveaux. Mais les meilleurs joueurs ne sont pas toujours les plus exemplaires. Quand je vois certains mecs ne pas s’entraîner en début de semaine parce qu’ils ont une béquille à une cuisse alors que deux jours avant le match, ils sont à l’entraînement et joue le week-end, ça ne nous aide pas vraiment. Moi, ça me casse les c… Quant à ceux qui veulent à tout prix signer un nouveau contrat avec le club alors que lorsqu’ils sont remplaçants et qu’ils doivent jouer vingt minutes, ils marchent sur le terrain parce qu’ils sont dans le rouge, ça me fout les boules. Je sais que moi non plus, je ne suis pas irréprochable, mais il faut maintenant que chacun se regarde dans un miroir. Et qu’on en finisse avec la politique de l’autruche.»
Read more at http://www.minutesports.fr/index.php/20 ... TQjtYVo.99

In retrospect, a club that won the 2015 Brennus by DESTROYING anything that stood in its path to the title, looking at relegation now three seasons later...when you look at the players they've got on that roster, and accomplished in those next 3 seasons... it's extraordinary complacency. Who manages the team, weed junkies ? From unquestionable supremacy to bottom of the Challenge Cup and relegation...What a faaaaaaakkin embarrassment guys, what a terrible and casual waste of potential.
I soooo wish they'd sign away Danty Camara Macalou Gabrillagues, and Plisson needs to learn his Rugby elsewhere no doubt about that.

SF is a mystery alright. There's no way they should have been flirting with relegation that often in the recent past considering the players they had (this season is a bit different with all the players gone and the departing management doing the recruiting). You wonder what has been going on inside.

clementinfrance wrote:

Laurent wrote:

TheFrog wrote:

Looking on the bright side, I do believe that under Jacques Brunel, there’s a small change in attitude for the better on the training field and pitch.

Thomas Lombard.


He is not commenting on off the pitch changes though...

Is he a spokeman for Laporte?

C'est un racingman qui est passé par le Stade français sous Laporte ... (pire encore :p)

un peu magouillard aussi

Affaires
En 2017, il est condamné à 5 000 euros d'amende par le tribunal correctionnel de Versailles pour déclaration mensongère auprès de pôle emploi entre 2008 et 2010. Il lui était reproché d'avoir perçu de l'organisme la somme de 130.000 euros, alors qu'il percevait dans le même temps des revenus de consultant par le biais de sa société Wing Communication, qui facturait ses prestations à Canal+. Il était éligible à une allocation de retour à l'emploi à la fin de sa carrière sportive, mais son omission de signaler son rôle d'associé-gérant de sa société a conduit à un trop-perçu de 48.000 euros. La somme a depuis été remboursée et Lombard s'est défendu à l'audience en plaidant l'erreur de bonne foi. Le tribunal a en partie entendu le consultant, qui n'a pas été condamné pour escroquerie mais déclaration mensongère, un chef d'accusation moins grave13.

Jesus, are they all crooks or what?

U20 game tonight at 21:00 - On France4 again:

http://www.programme-tv.net/programme/s ... ngleterre/

La soule wrote:U20 game tonight at 21:00 - Hopefully on France4 again.

I'll try to remember the time difference this week and not turn on with 10 mins to go.

Well for those of you who missed the U20s
1) As usual, the sight of an Eng shirt was enough to send them all into their shells.
2) Gimbert did a superb impression of Parra and killed every bit of momentum with slow ball.
3) Must have lost 90% of own lineouts.
4) Double red card for the dimmest tip tackle you'll ever see. Probably as a result of Eng winding them up all game but Fra learn nothing 3 decades after Brian Moore won matches single handedly doing the same.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:

Laurent wrote:

TheFrog wrote:

Looking on the bright side, I do believe that under Jacques Brunel, there’s a small change in attitude for the better on the training field and pitch.

Thomas Lombard.


He is not commenting on off the pitch changes though...

Is he a spokeman for Laporte?

C'est un racingman qui est passé par le Stade français sous Laporte ... (pire encore :p)

un peu magouillard aussi

Affaires
En 2017, il est condamné à 5 000 euros d'amende par le tribunal correctionnel de Versailles pour déclaration mensongère auprès de pôle emploi entre 2008 et 2010. Il lui était reproché d'avoir perçu de l'organisme la somme de 130.000 euros, alors qu'il percevait dans le même temps des revenus de consultant par le biais de sa société Wing Communication, qui facturait ses prestations à Canal+. Il était éligible à une allocation de retour à l'emploi à la fin de sa carrière sportive, mais son omission de signaler son rôle d'associé-gérant de sa société a conduit à un trop-perçu de 48.000 euros. La somme a depuis été remboursée et Lombard s'est défendu à l'audience en plaidant l'erreur de bonne foi. Le tribunal a en partie entendu le consultant, qui n'a pas été condamné pour escroquerie mais déclaration mensongère, un chef d'accusation moins grave13.

Jesus, are they all crooks or what?

what a horrible emoticon !!

Torque you say it was anglo-phobia/white-jersey-hysteria from the French ? Possibly some of that. I'd say any side that can put pressure on them, but it's mental fragility anyhow no possible disagreement there. I see it more as any side that in the right conditions can force them to feel awkward for a half, settle in the funk, and then have the mental strength itself to win the armwrestle in the later stages. Any France side junior or senior with mental strength and mere composure could've got out of plenty of traps in matches, in recent times as yester's.

in other news... individually I liked Woki a lot. Surprised me. He made that tremendous break length of the pitch, was competing hard at every moment and manifested huge frustration, got a superb clean turnover off the ground... yet another highly talented back rower coming through for France. Wish to see more of him at Bordeaux.

Dork Lard wrote:Eh, just watch the U20 and women's Rugby this weekend, vas...

Thank you for the tip...

Dork Lard wrote:in other news... individually I liked Woki a lot. Surprised me. He made that tremendous break length of the pitch, was competing hard at every moment and manifested huge frustration, got a superb clean turnover off the ground... yet another highly talented back rower coming through for France. Wish to see more of him at Bordeaux.

Woki is very talented. Another Macalou. And yes, he made a great break...... and no support. At all. Gimbert was nowhere.

Gimbert, in some ways is like Aaron Smith. He has a pass, he is quick, he sees a gap, he is quite physical and he can kick. BUT if you slow everything down, you destroy everything that has made this U20 team great: power aligned with SPEED.

The game was lost at the KO. When from the very first kick, Ntamack put it out on the full. Then. Yes then, I KNEW that mentally they were already in the wrong place. 10 mins later is was confirmed with pedestrian play, hesitancy everywhere and kicking away all the possession.

{EDIT} Hah. I see Bernol knows it too

Vidéo - Les Bleuets ont fini par perdre leurs nerfs...

Les Français jouent, les Anglais gagnent. Ce "Crunch" des moins de 20 ans avait un air de déjà vu pour les Tricolores

So, an opportune moment to clarify something I posted earlier: the French suffer an inferiority complex (especially when it comes to Anglos). La soule said it was the opposite i.e. your stereotype, strutting Parisian. My retort was it's two sides of the same coin.

1) When you are a kid at school (when you know no better), you think the school bully is the arrogant, superior one. We all know that bullies are actually insecure/inferior and try to mask that with their behaviour. As soon as they are challenged, the mask falls away. Sound familiar?

2) French tourists. Example. When I was in Jordan (Petra), there was a history talk accompanied with music by a Bedouin. Some Fre near me were rudely talking deliberately loudly amongst themselves... until I told them to shut the f**k up. To which a load of the 100 or so other tourists there clapped/nodded etc. Immediately we got full inferior/persecution mode when one of them chimed up that it was unfair that the talk was only in English. The Bedouin was brilliant. He said "I speak Bedawi, English and some Spanish. How many people in the world speak French". Nail. Head.

3) And there we have it. In their own environment, unchallenged, the Fre are collective bullies; to reinforce their collective insecurities. Put them under the spotlight/pressure to justify it and the responses are moaning, capitulation and sometimes irrational violence. Like this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -turn.html

TheFrog wrote:

Dork Lard wrote:Eh, just watch the U20 and women's Rugby this weekend, vas...

Thank you for the tip...

Don't watch it. Just. Don't.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:So, an opportune moment to clarify something I posted earlier: the French suffer an inferiority complex (especially when it comes to Anglos). La soule said it was the opposite i.e. your stereotype, strutting Parisian. My retort was it's two sides of the same coin.

1) When you are a kid at school (when you know no better), you think the school bully is the arrogant, superior one. We all know that bullies are actually insecure/inferior and try to mask that with their behaviour. As soon as they are challenged, the mask falls away. Sound familiar?

2) French tourists. Example. When I was in Jordan (Petra), there was a history talk accompanied with music by a Bedouin. Some Fre near me were rudely talking deliberately loudly amongst themselves... until I told them to shut the f**k up. To which a load of the 100 or so other tourists there clapped/nodded etc. Immediately we got full inferior/persecution mode when one of them chimed up that it was unfair that the talk was only in English. The Bedouin was brilliant. He said "I speak Bedawi, English and some Spanish. How many people in the world speak French". Nail. Head.

3) And there we have it. In their own environment, unchallenged, the Fre are collective bullies; to reinforce their collective insecurities. Put them under the spotlight/pressure to justify it and the responses are moaning, capitulation and sometimes irrational violence. Like this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -turn.html

Jordan is close enough to Lebanon, Israel and to Syria where people speaking French is not uncommon actually...

I had watched the U20 game and saw nothing that made hopeful. I saw the same weaknesses you see at senior level: players trying to individually making the difference, finding gaps that end up being a trap in which they are isolated, pick and go relying on their sole power and not on hitting the defenders at pace, pick and go isolated, wrong choices killing overlaps... And to make their life more miserable, abysmal handling, partly due to the weather but not just (passes were often poor, leading to dropped ball). You add to this the lack of self control as frustration builds up and you end with the double red card...

Physically, they are powerful and they could have won this game. They lacked fitness though and the number of.cramps told. They don't play enough high intensity games (and that game was nowhere near international level).

TheFrog wrote:I had watched the U20 game and saw nothing that made hopeful. I saw the same weaknesses you see at senior level: players trying to individually making the difference, finding gaps that end up being a trap in which they are isolated, pick and go relying on their sole power and not on hitting the defenders at pace, pick and go isolated, wrong choices killing overlaps... And to make their life more miserable, abysmal handling, partly due to the weather but not just (passes were often poor, leading to dropped ball). You add to this the lack of self control as frustration builds up and you end with the double red card...

Physically, they are powerful and they could have won this game. They lacked fitness though and the number of.cramps told. They don't play enough high intensity games (and that game was nowhere near international level).

They played much better versus Scotland, Ireland and Italy... There's some hope.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:So, an opportune moment to clarify something I posted earlier: the French suffer an inferiority complex (especially when it comes to Anglos). La soule said it was the opposite i.e. your stereotype, strutting Parisian. My retort was it's two sides of the same coin.

1) When you are a kid at school (when you know no better), you think the school bully is the arrogant, superior one. We all know that bullies are actually insecure/inferior and try to mask that with their behaviour. As soon as they are challenged, the mask falls away. Sound familiar?

2) French tourists. Example. When I was in Jordan (Petra), there was a history talk accompanied with music by a Bedouin. Some Fre near me were rudely talking deliberately loudly amongst themselves... until I told them to shut the f**k up. To which a load of the 100 or so other tourists there clapped/nodded etc. Immediately we got full inferior/persecution mode when one of them chimed up that it was unfair that the talk was only in English. The Bedouin was brilliant. He said "I speak Bedawi, English and some Spanish. How many people in the world speak French". Nail. Head.

3) And there we have it. In their own environment, unchallenged, the Fre are collective bullies; to reinforce their collective insecurities. Put them under the spotlight/pressure to justify it and the responses are moaning, capitulation and sometimes irrational violence. Like this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -turn.html

Agree about the inferiority complex.

My wife is British and when we first moved back to France. Neighbours, work colleagues and people we met would ignore her or pretend to not understand her even though she has a very slight accent...

To begin with she thought the problem was with her.

I then explained to her that many people we met saw her as a threat because she is able to speak two languages, she is quite tall (compared to French women) and is good looking.

clementinfrance wrote:and is good looking.

Ahem…

Clouseau wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:and is good looking.

Ahem…

I know, I know...

Thankfully she looks more Southern European than Anglo-saxon.

clementinfrance wrote:

Clouseau wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:and is good looking.

Ahem…

I know, I know...

Thankfully she looks more Southern European than Anglo-saxon.

Clouseau was hinting at rule 1. Only this will allow us to validate your last point. Otherwise you're talking crap.

Not convinced by Ntamack, what has he actually done besides sprinting through gaps the size of the Manche against U20 sides of countries with populations of less than London/Paris?

Jalibert is the far superior player, although I understand he's injured at the moment?

GDBFC99 wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:

Clouseau wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:and is good looking.

Ahem…

I know, I know...

Thankfully she looks more Southern European than Anglo-saxon.

Clouseau was hinting at rule 1. Only this will allow us to validate your last point. Otherwise you're talking crap.

J'suis plutôt bien bien moi dans ce pays merde entouré de raleurs.
Il me manque juste une plage et un port de plaisance plus a proximité et ce serait le panard.

Tenté par contre de repartir genre deux ans chez les étrangers… Il y en a qui connaissent San Francisco ?

Bises

Je vivais côte Est personnellement mais j'ai un souvenir de prix assez délirants sur l'essence et le logement (achat et location) de mes conversations avec les amis qui vivaient là-bas et des passages que j'ai pu y faire pour le pro. Il fait aussi plus froid que ce que beaucoup de gens pensent. Sauf quand la Californie brûle...

Après ce sont les USA et les grands espaces, donc si tu es fan de nature c'est un terrain de jeu fabuleux avec tous les parcs et forêts qui se situent à proximité. Et bien entendu tu as l'océan et ce qui va avec, toi qui parlais de plage. Ils ont aussi du super pinard !

TheFrog wrote:

Dork Lard wrote:Eh, just watch the U20 and women's Rugby this weekend, vas...

Thank you for the tip...

tackle. *The tip tackle.
** the Double tip tackle.


Torque yes the superiority/inferiority complexes are actually often the same thing. To reiterate this, more broadly I'd say the problem in France is mainly hierarchical mentality, surely established by the Catholic church but possibly older than that. Catholicism exists in a paradigm of strict verticality, to which nothing else is conceivable: the father reigns over the son, the church over the father, within the church a whole organizational chart of ranks, the pope over the church, God over the Pope... there is only power and then more power, primacy of one over the next, and French society is more viscerally catholic than it likes to believe: that is catholic specifically, not christian. Catholic (for eg Americans don't suffer from this societal stigma). There's a strong natural bias that establishes deep within the roots of a society from such a paradigm.

It's next only to the cast system in India and Asia, which itself creates obsessively respect/hierarchy-minded societies. I'll leave it at that for now if anyone would ruminate and join back on it.

Clouseau wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:and is good looking.

Ahem…

BTW, I forgot something:

Les Français jouent, les Anglais gagnent. Ce "Crunch" des moins de 20 ans avait un air de déjà vu pour les Tricolores

AND THEN

Un bon apprentissage pour cette jeune Équipe de France qui devra tirer des enseignements de cette rencontre où rien n'a véritablement fonctionné.

Delusional. Utterly delusional and they can't even see the contradiction. Having learned nothing in 3 decades of professionalism, Fra will learn valuable lessons from this defeat? FM.

englishchief wrote:Not convinced by Ntamack, what has he actually done besides sprinting through gaps the size of the Manche against U20 sides of countries with populations of less than London/Paris?

Jalibert is the far superior player, although I understand he's injured at the moment?

That's because he is entirely uncovincing. In the long line of polarised Fre FHs
- great kickers, no attacking threat
- flaky flair, no kicking/game management
with neither ever having composure under pressure

he's in the latter. I wonder if when he goes back to Toulouse, Ramos is more likely to be FH and Ntamack moved to 12.

Clouseau wrote:

GDBFC99 wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:

Clouseau wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:and is good looking.

Ahem…

I know, I know...

Thankfully she looks more Southern European than Anglo-saxon.

Clouseau was hinting at rule 1. Only this will allow us to validate your last point. Otherwise you're talking crap.

No way, José...

Clouseau wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:and is good looking.

Ahem…

Ah! You know her?

Va y avoir de la viande saoule ce soir.

Absolutely delighted for the lads, they badly needed that.

x2 post

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:Absolutely delighted for the lads, they badly needed that.

Beauxis

A win's a win.

Dork Lard wrote: Torque yes the superiority/inferiority complexes are actually often the same thing. To reiterate this, more broadly I'd say the problem in France is mainly hierarchical mentality, surely established by the Catholic church but possibly older than that. Catholicism exists in a paradigm of strict verticality, to which nothing else is conceivable: the father reigns over the son, the church over the father, within the church a whole organizational chart of ranks, the pope over the church, God over the Pope... there is only power and then more power, primacy of one over the next, and French society is more viscerally catholic than it likes to believe: that is catholic specifically, not christian. Catholic (for eg Americans don't suffer from this societal stigma). There's a strong natural bias that establishes deep within the roots of a society from such a paradigm.

It's got nothing to do with Catholicism otherwise other culturally catholic nations would suffer the same kind of issue, which they don't. It's Christian heresies, as usual, that are at the roots of such deep issues; in France that illness started with absolute monarchy and Jansenism, and then continued when secularized with the Revolution, socialism, etc...

Note that most stigma you put on the French at large are in fact Western stygmas, in some cases accentuated in France but in other ways not.

Dork Lard wrote: It's next only to the cast system in India and Asia, which itself creates obsessively respect/hierarchy-minded societies. I'll leave it at that for now if anyone would ruminate and join back on it.

If there's one thing that has contributed to removing the cast system, it's the Christian faith and therefore Catholicism which has been and continues to be, its prime vector of expansion.

Bon sinon...

A win. A win !!

We dominated England at te breakdown. And were better in defense. It's incredible.

We were between average and crap in all other departments but somehow this was enough to win.

As I had hoped, our backrow was immense. So was Basta. And Grosso, and Machenaud.

I swear Beauxis would have finished hanged on those posts had the English scored that last try...

The win was deserved by the the players and they showed real heart and plenty of solidarity, but the decison making was mostly awful if not downright stupid (Beauxis )...

When the French players were being interviewed you could see Simon in the background strutting around as if they'd just won the RWC, this says it all for me.

Yes it was a good victory but the opposition didn't play like the N°2 side in the world and unfortunately we all know that this kind of performance will/can not be repeated in every game.

A more intelligent or just as aggressive team would have probably beaten us today.

Brunel > Noves




Forever. Even if he never wins another game.



Didn't see much because picking friend up over from Aix. Grosso seemed great. Which thick c**t didn't kick the ball out at the end?

In other news, Oyo winning at UBB. Paris going downnnnnnnnn.

Heymans wrote:Beauxis

A win's a win.

I couldn't believe it and I thought we were going to lose that game when he did this.

How many aimless kicks from our players tonight?

England were shit really. Never seen them that bad...