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Wtf
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.


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Wtf
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

I wonder what demographics those people might be.

I mean it's not like voter ID has long been used for voter supression elsewhere, and even to an extent in Northern Ireland has it?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:11 am 
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Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.


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Actual cases of voter fraud are very limited.

A huge number (comparatively) of people don't have photo ID.


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backrow wrote:
Wtf
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:16 am 
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I don't understand how anyone can vote for this clown.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:16 am 
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Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.



Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:16 am 
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AND-y wrote:
Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.


I understand there will be a new free form of ID made available, which should be of general usefulness if you don’t have one of the currently available formats.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:17 am 
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c69 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wtf
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.



Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.

Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:18 am 
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c69 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wtf
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.


I agree.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:19 am 
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bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wtf
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.



Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.

Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.

What voter fraud?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:19 am 
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bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wtf
:lol:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.



Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.

Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.

What voter fraud?

Jinx.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 am 
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c69 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wtf
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.


Wouldn’t have a problem with a national ID, plenty of other countries have it - proof of ID doesn’t have to be a driving licence or passport which those poor disenfranchised people have to pay for , could be something they get for free like a NI card or tenancy document or even a JSA or benefits book.

Nobody is suggesting ability to pay for something should affect ability to vote , those who don’t have or won’t have interest to obtain some form of free ID probably have something to hide and shouldn’t really get a vote perhaps ?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:21 am 
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bimboman wrote:
AND-y wrote:
Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.



Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.


That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.

Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:22 am 
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nuffsaid wrote:
AND-y wrote:
Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.


I understand there will be a new free form of ID made available, which should be of general usefulness if you don’t have one of the currently available formats.


I see - so Andy just being argumentative patronising prick then seeing as it doesn’t have to be a passport or driving license


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:23 am 
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nuffsaid wrote:
AND-y wrote:
Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.


I understand there will be a new free form of ID made available, which should be of general usefulness if you don’t have one of the currently available formats.


ID cards by stealth?

And not all driving licences are photoID


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Margin_Walker wrote:
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AND-y wrote:
Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.



Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.


That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.

Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.


You're joking right?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:24 am 
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Isnt Tower Hamlets rather renowned for it and some of the Brummie wards supposedly pretty dodgy?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:24 am 
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Nearly all the cases of proven voter fraud relate to postal votes after the regulations were massively relaxed.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:25 am 
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Isnt Tower Hamlets rather renowned for it and some of the Brummie wards supposedly pretty dodgy?


And Slough


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JM2K6 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wtf
:lol:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.



Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.

Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.

What voter fraud?



The voter fraud endemic through Labour rotten boroughs.


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Margin_Walker wrote:
bimboman wrote:
AND-y wrote:
Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.



Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.


That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.

Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.


No more than going out of your way to vote - spare me the bleeding heart sob story, anyone legal would already have some form of ID already so stop inventing barriers to add to corbyns already divisive language , he is just worried tower hamlets may not still be labour once the fraud is excluded


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:26 am 
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This is posturing nonsense from Corbyn as usual - he knows there will be new free forms of ID available. A much greater issue is the substantial number of people who do not even register to vote, but of course he is more interested in opposing sensible ideas than coming up with anything tangible. Tbf, his approach was the same when Labour were in power.


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bimboman wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wtf
:lol:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.



Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.

Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.

What voter fraud?



The voter fraud endemic through Labour rotten boroughs.

Wanna show some receipts for that.


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Margin_Walker wrote:
bimboman wrote:
AND-y wrote:
Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.



Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.


That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.

Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.

You already have to "go out of your way" to register.


I am not sure this is needed but voting regs are pretty lax in this country.

Think we should do the old finger dipped in ink at the voting station.


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backrow wrote:
Margin_Walker wrote:
bimboman wrote:
AND-y wrote:
Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.



Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.


That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.

Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.


No more than going out of your way to vote - spare me the bleeding heart sob story, anyone legal would already have some form of ID already so stop inventing barriers to add to corbyns already divisive language , he is just worried tower hamlets may not still be labour once the fraud is excluded


Right! Anyone who wants to have ID, will have ID. I can't believe the crap people make up.


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Wanna show some receipts for that.

Just Google Rahman.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:30 am 
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The great democrats, who care about real people and their votes, actually want to make voting more difficult to end a non existent problem.

What a surprise.


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Introduce a National Id scheme.
Problem sorted.


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This is posturing nonsense from Corbyn as usual - he knows there will be new free forms of ID available. A much greater issue is the substantial number of people who do not even register to vote, but of course he is more interested in opposing sensible ideas than coming up with anything tangible. Tbf, his approach was the same when Labour were in power.

Free ID isn't free, below that you have to pay for the documents (such as a birth certificate) which allow you get to that ID in the first place.


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There's a barrier to entry even with free voter IDs - it's an opportunity cost and one where the poorer you are, the harder it is. Offering them free is a good idea, but even so...

This isn't a made up problem. It's a fairly well known issue, given the USA has been fighting over this for a while. Studies show that poorer and disadvantaged people are less likely to have ID, less likely to be able to get ID, and less likely to vote as a result. There's also no actual problem that's being solved here.

So to sum up, voter ID:

1) Doesn't fix any real-world issue
2) Does have a disproportionate impact on the poor


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backrow wrote:
c69 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wtf
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.

What are legal forms of id?

I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.

Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.


Wouldn’t have a problem with a national ID, plenty of other countries have it - proof of ID doesn’t have to be a driving licence or passport which those poor disenfranchised people have to pay for , could be something they get for free like a NI card or tenancy document or even a JSA or benefits book.

Nobody is suggesting ability to pay for something should affect ability to vote , those who don’t have or won’t have interest to obtain some form of free ID probably have something to hide and shouldn’t really get a vote perhaps ?


Legislation proposed says photo ID so, NI card, tenancy doc, JSA or benefits book all ruled out.

3.5 million adults in the UK don't have either a passport or driving license.


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We're talking about 3.5 million people (7.5% of the electorate) not having access to an appropriate form of ID.

How much will cost to administer and issue all these free ID cards? The evidence of widespread impersonation fraud just isn't there to justify this at the moment imo.


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Glaston wrote:
Isnt Tower Hamlets rather renowned for it and some of the Brummie wards supposedly pretty dodgy?

yes been going on a while here


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figures from the Electoral Commission show there were just 28 allegations of impersonation last year our of nearly 45 million votes in 2017 – or one case for every 1.6 million votes cast. Only one of these allegations resulted in a conviction.


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Petros wrote:
Glaston wrote:
Isnt Tower Hamlets rather renowned for it and some of the Brummie wards supposedly pretty dodgy?


And Slough



Peterborough.


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c69 wrote:
Introduce a National Id scheme.
Problem sorted.


Isn't part of the issue with fraud voting is postal votes? Can't see ID resolving that issue.


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SamShark wrote:
The great democrats, who care about real people and their votes, actually want to make voting more difficult to end a non existent problem.

What a surprise.


:lol:
Nice wind up from The Penine Uncle Tom who sold out his northern working class Brexiter roots once moved to London . Non existent problem ! Making it more difficult for literally nobody legal more like.


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figures from the Electoral Commission show there were just 28 allegations of impersonation last year our of nearly 45 million votes in 2017 – or one case for every 1.6 million votes cast. Only one of these allegations resulted in a conviction.



You’d never guess how many people smoke weed and don’t get prosecuted. Crime is crime.


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The great democrats, who care about real people and their votes, actually want to make voting more difficult to end a non existent problem.

What a surprise.


Hyperbolic bullshit


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