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If they can build it to the airport, just get it going and revise the Swords part during the initial build process.


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If they can build it to the airport, just get it going and revise the Swords part during the initial build process.



That isn't the only section that is being reviewed for that purpose


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Fair.


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Hang on, I’ll just call Raphael Burke to sort this mess out.


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The current Metro plan calls for the final section to Swords to be overground from the airport roundabout up pinnock hill and on into Swords

Causing chaos and fúcking up traffic LUAS style.

I'm glad sense is prevailing, it should be as close as possible to heavy rail and not some LUAS plus piece of shit.

Thanks Mullet, I thought it was all separated track, but looking at the proposals I see that in addition to the run from the airport to Swords, there is an at grade section between DCU and Ballymun. These at the very least, should be separated from the surrounding road network, with grade separation at all road intersections.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:13 am 
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Get The Airport section up and running first.


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Current Metro North proposal :

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EDIT AFAIK the tunnel section from Dardistown to Fosterstown, ie the section through the airport, including the station is being undertaken by the DAA, due to the usual airport working restrictions.


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Put the whole lot underground and while we're at it like the DART and Metro up also.


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Put the whole lot underground and while we're at it like the DART and Metro up also.

Where, Donabate ?

Actually, I'd probably prefer to get DART underground completed before worrying about extending the Metro from Swords to Donabate (or wherever) as the latter will happen based simply on population growth, whereas culchies moaning about spending in Dublin is still putting the Kibosh on the former.


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the airport 'metro box' (underground station enclosure) is already constructed

theres one too many stops north of swords (no need for the estuary station)

the DART spur from clongriffin to airport is not needed once metro happens

the reason the metro is on the road from collins avenue through ballymun is because the residents are objecting to an elevated track (like the one in chicago)

DCU will actually have 3 metro stops .... at St Pats, Griffith Avenue and Ballymun road junction with Collins avenue


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They're never going to start building it, are they?

And the DART Underground seems like a complete pipe dream.


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They're never going to start building it, are they?

And the DART Underground seems like a complete pipe dream.

Metro will go ahead pretty early on in the 10 yr timeline.

DART underground is badly needed to free up track space in the city centre, in addition to joining up various existing or planned rail based PT lines, and should also be given an early start.

Moaning about cost doesn't hack it I'm afraid. City centre PT costs, but lasts much longer than any CBA allows for.


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camroc1 wrote:
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They're never going to start building it, are they?

And the DART Underground seems like a complete pipe dream.

Metro will go ahead pretty early on in the 10 yr timeline.

DART underground is badly needed to free up track space in the city centre, in addition to joining up various existing or planned rail based PT lines, and should also be given an early start.

Moaning about cost doesn't hack it I'm afraid. City centre PT costs, but lasts much longer than any CBA allows for.


I'm sure it's badly needed, anyone who goes near the city centre or uses the Luas or Dublin Bus during peak traffic times will tell you both are needed. It just seems like they're talking and talking and it's getting further away, or some other issue arises. I think my pessimism is pretty justified considering that they've ballsed up the Luas twice, city centre traffic and the College Green Plaza. Both would be fantastic pieces of infrastructure, I just don't think there's a will or a vision there really.


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peripherally involved in this project .... you're going to be hearing a lot more about SmartDublin over the coming months ...

https://vimeo.com/255370118

one aspect of the project is to shine a light on just how important the 2km squared docklands area is to Ireland ...... 9% of GDP!

Dublin really is Ireland's only city capable of competing at this level on the international stage ...... we should be actively encouraging Cork, Limerick and Galway toward similar smart specialisation, rather than trying to compete with Dublin on everything

cue calls from rooooooooral TD's wondering why Ballinasloe doesn't get a smart district


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camroc1 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Put the whole lot underground and while we're at it like the DART and Metro up also.

Where, Donabate ?

Actually, I'd probably prefer to get DART underground completed before worrying about extending the Metro from Swords to Donabate (or wherever) as the latter will happen based simply on population growth, whereas culchies moaning about spending in Dublin is still putting the Kibosh on the former.



Clongriffin Spur.

Now while the land is still agricultural.


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Bullettyme wrote:
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They're never going to start building it, are they?

And the DART Underground seems like a complete pipe dream.

Metro will go ahead pretty early on in the 10 yr timeline.

DART underground is badly needed to free up track space in the city centre, in addition to joining up various existing or planned rail based PT lines, and should also be given an early start.

Moaning about cost doesn't hack it I'm afraid. City centre PT costs, but lasts much longer than any CBA allows for.


I'm sure it's badly needed, anyone who goes near the city centre or uses the Luas or Dublin Bus during peak traffic times will tell you both are needed. It just seems like they're talking and talking and it's getting further away, or some other issue arises. I think my pessimism is pretty justified considering that they've ballsed up the Luas twice, city centre traffic and the College Green Plaza. Both would be fantastic pieces of infrastructure, I just don't think there's a will or a vision there really.

I said here at the time that I didn't think that DCC needed to go the ABP route to create the College Green Plaza, and could have just created it using their powers as the Roads Authority of Dublin. They got legal advice that various groups might take them to the HC if they went that route, and so relented. It appears that they are now having buyers remorse, and are going to ban all traffic, bar LUAS through College Green using said Roads Authority powers, and present ABP with a fait accompli when it deigns to make judgement. The only fúck up with LUAS was dropping the connection to O'Connell Street during the original construction. Otherwise it is fine; and frankly, instead of running everything through 'An Lár', Dublin Bus should be running routes on a North South grid to intersect with the Red Line Luas. Intermodal PT should be pushed hard.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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Put the whole lot underground and while we're at it like the DART and Metro up also.

Where, Donabate ?

Actually, I'd probably prefer to get DART underground completed before worrying about extending the Metro from Swords to Donabate (or wherever) as the latter will happen based simply on population growth, whereas culchies moaning about spending in Dublin is still putting the Kibosh on the former.



Clongriffin Spur.

Now while the land is still agricultural.


It will always remain so due to DAA requirements for flights.


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Clongriffin is already filling in at a rate of knots.

Thinking on housing under flight paths has changed anyway. There is now an acceptable level of death.


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:lol:


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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So a friend of mine is doing to the masters in Social Work in UCD at the moment.

Young lad he knows wrote an essay arguing for increased personal responsibility for drug addict parents and not to lay everything at the feet of the state.

He was asked to leave the course. :?

Are the two facts related ? Or did he do something else to be asked leave, like not pay his fees ?



It was because of his essay.

So much for rigorous debate and the challenging of ideas in our third level institutions.


Rigorous debate has always been allowed regarding the issue of personal v state responsibility on social work courses. Trinners has tended to be pretty feminist in its social work outlook. That is particularly enjoyable for me in light of Dr Chop Fanny Selim. Methinks your mate is not telling the whole truth as a straight up critique of parental responsibility would actually be welcome on social work courses.


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For frame of reference, do other countries have the same issues with getting infra down?
(mainly interested in European mainland not the imperialists next to us)


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nardol wrote:
For frame of reference, do other countries have the same issues with getting infra down?
(mainly interested in European mainland not the imperialists next to us)


Ireland is something of a perfect storm when it comes to struggling to deliver infrastructure....

We have a highly immature electorate who prefer BANANA (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anybody)
We are over-democratic to a ridiculous extent due to the PRSTV system
The country for the most is run by culchies and school teachers without an ounce of vision
Those same culchies and school teachers are looking over their shoulders at the rise of the looney left who think everything should come for free

hence all the problems with Corrib, Eirgrid, Glen O' the Downs, Irish Water etc

Worth having a look at the the way China and Dubai get shit done ..... benign dictatorship is the way to go


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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The current Metro plan calls for the final section to Swords to be overground from the airport roundabout up pinnock hill and on into Swords

Causing chaos and fúcking up traffic LUAS style.

I'm glad sense is prevailing, it should be as close as possible to heavy rail and not some LUAS plus piece of shit.


Could we not just run the f**king thing to the airport and stop trying to make it an all things to all men vote winner.



Swords is the fastest growing town in the country with a population the size of Limerick.

We would you stop building a rail line 4km from it?

The problem with this country is always doing things half-assed and then having to fix it all later, not the other way around.


I’m worried it will end up overcrowded like the Piccadilly line - basically unusable at rush hour and then they ended up building the Heathrow express anyway


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Ireland isnt london.
Get the line down and use it. We have fudge all infra in Dublin at the moment.
Oh and dont let the line be operated by public sector. Luas model please.


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nardol wrote:
Ireland isnt london.
Get the line down and use it. We have fudge all infra in Dublin at the moment.
Oh and dont let the line be operated by public sector. Luas model please.


You realise the LUAS green line is an absolute disaster since the extension - the metro north is primarily to serve the airport, not swords. Just build the airport section first, if there’s problems with the plan to extend it to swords then it shouldn’t be allowed to delay the construction of the airport section


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The amount of traffic its taking off the street disaster or not!

Its just indicative that there is not enough transport from south Dublin to central Dublin as things currently stand. The Dart and Luas is simply not enough.


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camroc1 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
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They're never going to start building it, are they?

And the DART Underground seems like a complete pipe dream.

Metro will go ahead pretty early on in the 10 yr timeline.

DART underground is badly needed to free up track space in the city centre, in addition to joining up various existing or planned rail based PT lines, and should also be given an early start.

Moaning about cost doesn't hack it I'm afraid. City centre PT costs, but lasts much longer than any CBA allows for.


I'm sure it's badly needed, anyone who goes near the city centre or uses the Luas or Dublin Bus during peak traffic times will tell you both are needed. It just seems like they're talking and talking and it's getting further away, or some other issue arises. I think my pessimism is pretty justified considering that they've ballsed up the Luas twice, city centre traffic and the College Green Plaza. Both would be fantastic pieces of infrastructure, I just don't think there's a will or a vision there really.

I said here at the time that I didn't think that DCC needed to go the ABP route to create the College Green Plaza, and could have just created it using their powers as the Roads Authority of Dublin. They got legal advice that various groups might take them to the HC if they went that route, and so relented. It appears that they are now having buyers remorse, and are going to ban all traffic, bar LUAS through College Green using said Roads Authority powers, and present ABP with a fait accompli when it deigns to make judgement. The only fúck up with LUAS was dropping the connection to O'Connell Street during the original construction. Otherwise it is fine; and frankly, instead of running everything through 'An Lár', Dublin Bus should be running routes on a North South grid to intersect with the Red Line Luas. Intermodal PT should be pushed hard.


The red line Luas is at capacity now, it's fit to burst. I think the time to intersect DB is long past. They've made a right balls of it.


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nardol wrote:
For frame of reference, do other countries have the same issues with getting infra down?
(mainly interested in European mainland not the imperialists next to us)

Apparently the Germans are terrible for it. Google Berlin airport. The yanks are pretty bad too I think, cost of tunnelling and the ancillaries like stations dwarfs what it costs in Europe.


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350 new MSD jobs in Swords just announced ....... roooooooooooral Ireland lobby in 3,2,1


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I was just up in outer Rathfarnham, inspecting a property, Stocking Lane/Ballycullen Road to be precise, and it's like the good old days of the late '90s building wise out there. All newly completed estates, or estates under construction, each with its own mix of 2 bed apartments, and 3 &4 bed terrace houses. Handy for the M 50 but how the fúck you get into town in any reasonable time from out there is beyond me.


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And for those who continue to say that we have lost out on benefits from Brexit :

Quote:
Dublin closes gap on London in top European FDI rankings
Second placed Dublin is capitalising on ‘Brexit jitters’ to attract investment ahead of Paris and Frankfurt
about 2 hours ago
Fiona Reddan

Dublin is capitalising on “Brexit jitters” and now sits in second place behind London in a new foreign direct investment league table after a raft of financial services investment wins .

In a study of the most promising investment locations in Europe, fDi Magazine – a publication from the Financial Times – ranked Dublin in second place, behind London and ahead of its competitors for Brexit projects Amsterdam (4th) and Frankfurt (7th). Dublin was also named fDi’s Northern European Region of the Future, top small European region overall, as well as the top small region for economic potential and business friendliness.

“With eyes on the unfolding Brexit negotiations across the Irish Sea, the city is seeking to benefit from companies that might consider leaving London to find a new financial services hub to call home. Dublin received the same number of projects in the financial services sector in the first three quarters of 2017 as it received in the whole of 2016 and 2015 combined,” the study found, pointing to investments from companies like TD Securities and Bank of America.

The study also found that Dublin received the highest level of capital investment in R&D of all the cities studied, welcoming more than $1.6 billion in R&D investments in the five years to September 2017

Overall, London still reigns as Europe’s FDI star, having welcomed 1,880 foreign investments in the five years to September 2017, the highest of all 301 cities included in the ranking. Nearly half of all investments made were in software and IT services, followed by almost one-fifth in business services and more than 12 per cent in financial services.

The UK’s capital city also topped the ranking for business friendliness and human capital and lifestyle categories - following the UK’s high performance in various indices, including the World Bank’s Ease of Doing Business ranking and three of the city’s business schools feature in the Global MBA Rankings for 2016.


When it comes to regions, Paris won the top spot, attracting more than 1,000 investments between October 2012 and September 2017, greater than any other region in the study, helping it become the regional winner in the European Cities and Regions of the Future 2018/19 ranking.

Elsewhere Birmingham was ranked first, of all large European cities, for its FDI strategy, while Bordeaux, a city of more than 250,000 people in south-west France, was ranked first, among all mid-sized European cities, for its FDI Strategy.


No doubt rural TDs will be asking Dáil questions as to why 'Sophisticated Multinational Tech Co' didn't set up in the IDA advance factory down the road !


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Can you Dubs go 2 posts without referencing the rural/urban Irish divide?

It is obsessional.


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Can you Dubs go 2 posts without referencing the rural/urban Irish divide?

It is obsessional.

:lol:
Was just thinking that Cam and Furlong can't help themselves!


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Can you Dubs go 2 posts without referencing the rural/urban Irish divide?

It is obsessional.


Look at this angry Kerryman having a go at Dublin yet again. Sad :((


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nardol wrote:
For frame of reference, do other countries have the same issues with getting infra down?
(mainly interested in European mainland not the imperialists next to us)


Ireland is something of a perfect storm when it comes to struggling to deliver infrastructure....

We have a highly immature electorate who prefer BANANA (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anybody)
We are over-democratic to a ridiculous extent due to the PRSTV system
The country for the most is run by culchies and school teachers without an ounce of vision
Those same culchies and school teachers are looking over their shoulders at the rise of the looney left who think everything should come for free

hence all the problems with Corrib, Eirgrid, Glen O' the Downs, Irish Water etc

Worth having a look at the the way China and Dubai get shit done ..... benign dictatorship is the way to go


This is what a Dublin cabbie told me verbatim a few weeks ago, well done you swivel eyed loon.


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danthefan wrote:
ZappaMan wrote:
Can you Dubs go 2 posts without referencing the rural/urban Irish divide?

It is obsessional.


Look at this angry Kerryman having a go at Dublin yet again. Sad :((

This angry Kerryman will be proudly skulling pints of plain in Toners this Friday :smug:


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ZappaMan wrote:
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ZappaMan wrote:
Can you Dubs go 2 posts without referencing the rural/urban Irish divide?

It is obsessional.


Look at this angry Kerryman having a go at Dublin yet again. Sad :((

This angry Kerryman will be proudly skulling pints of plain in Toners this Friday :smug:

Is Friday night not county night somewhere, well, more congenial to your roots ? :P


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camroc1 wrote:
ZappaMan wrote:
danthefan wrote:
ZappaMan wrote:
Can you Dubs go 2 posts without referencing the rural/urban Irish divide?

It is obsessional.


Look at this angry Kerryman having a go at Dublin yet again. Sad :((

This angry Kerryman will be proudly skulling pints of plain in Toners this Friday :smug:

Is Friday night not county night somewhere, well, more congenial to your roots ? :P

Flannerys, I assume? I honestly don't think I've been in there since around 2002.

Horrific place.


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ZappaMan wrote:
danthefan wrote:
ZappaMan wrote:
Can you Dubs go 2 posts without referencing the rural/urban Irish divide?

It is obsessional.


Look at this angry Kerryman having a go at Dublin yet again. Sad :((

This angry Kerryman will be proudly skulling pints of plain in Toners and whinging about the urban rural divide this Friday :smug:

Fixed!


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Nolanator wrote:
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Can you Dubs go 2 posts without referencing the rural/urban Irish divide?

It is obsessional.

:lol:
Was just thinking that Cam and Furlong can't help themselves!


darn tootin'

I have no qualms admitting I get triggered by imbeciles like Alan Kelly, Eamon O'Cuiv, Micheal Healy Rae and Michael Ring amongst others.

Go and take a look at the newly formed National Planning Framework Coalition by way of example. It seems to think that Ireland can buck the trend of global urbanisation.

Suggest boggers throughout Ireland read this analysis (https://irelandafternama.wordpress.com/ ... -question/) and accept the fact that "regional development" should mean EXCLUSIVELY investing in the regional cities of Waterford, Cork, Limerick and Galway ....... not pumping money into delivering broadband or advanced factories down every boreen in the country


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