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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:26 am 
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So a friend of mine is doing to the masters in Social Work in UCD at the moment.

Young lad he knows wrote an essay arguing for increased personal responsibility for drug addict parents and not to lay everything at the feet of the state.

He was asked to leave the course. :?

Are the two facts related ? Or did he do something else to be asked leave, like not pay his fees ?



It was because of his essay.

So much for rigorous debate and the challenging of ideas in our third level institutions.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:32 am 
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http://www.thejournal.ie/limerick-cork-motorway-3847193-Feb2018/


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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So a friend of mine is doing to the masters in Social Work in UCD at the moment.

Young lad he knows wrote an essay arguing for increased personal responsibility for drug addict parents and not to lay everything at the feet of the state.

He was asked to leave the course. :?

Are the two facts related ? Or did he do something else to be asked leave, like not pay his fees ?



It was because of his essay.

So much for rigorous debate and the challenging of ideas in our third level institutions.


I take it he is appealing the decision, with a view to at least getting his fees returned ? Seven and a half grand is not to be sneezed at.


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If it was entirely down to the essay and there isn't the lightest sniff of anything else which could have contributed then I suspect there will be a solicitor somewhere, quietly salivating.

How to prove it though...


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:41 am 
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Easily seen that Dr. Morganroth is no politician.

I also disagree with his conclusions. If a dual carriageway with fairly unrestricted access along its route was constructed, he might have a point, but the fact that you control access to a motorway, means that you can essentially control where development is likely to occur, ie at junctions. Towns not served by motorway junctions, and/or not immediately adjacent to the motorway tend to get bypassed in every sense of that word, the traffic just goes past them.


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camroc1 wrote:
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Easily seen that Dr. Morganroth is no politician.

I also disagree with his conclusions. If a dual carriageway with fairly unrestricted access along its route was constructed, he might have a point, but the fact that you control access to a motorway, means that you can essentially control where development is likely to occur, ie at junctions. Towns not served by motorway junctions, and/or not immediately adjacent to the motorway tend to get bypassed in every sense of that word, the traffic just goes past them.


Just find a spot along it for Trumpf to land a chopper, open the service station, and you'll become a millionaire.


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Dr. Morganroth should be made drive the current road on a Friday evening in shit weather.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:07 pm 
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lads

I have zero opinions on this subject matter, and also don't even know what NAMA means in this case - but it was the only non-Globus thread I could find, by searching CTR+F and 'globus'

so, whats the Craig with this NAMA then ? is it good or what ?
if so, then I'm all for it :thumbup:

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anyone who has ever driven the waterford dublin motorway will see what a monumental waste of money it was (ditto the M2) ...... I hope Dr Morgenroth is wrong on this .... but I suspect not


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anyone who has ever driven the waterford dublin motorway will see what a monumental waste of money it was (ditto the M2) ...... I hope Dr Morgenroth is wrong on this .... but I suspect not

It's not particularly busy, and they should probably have picked waterford up via wexford/M11 but I'd be confident a reasonable business case was made. You don't need the road to be chock-a-block for it to be economically viable.


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If the second and third cities cannot be connected by a motorway then we might as well give up. All roads lead to Dublin, anything else is clearly a waste of time.


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Cork and Limerick are not that small relative to international standards. Cities generally go in order of fractions from 1/2 to 1/3 to 1/5 the size of capital cities. That’s a general law.

The reality is that Cork is not Ireland’s second city. Belfast is and historically itself was the industrial driver of the country.

The motorway is worthwhile but we have to start getting real on things like airports. Cork and Shannon is a waste of money once you build this and the majority can get there in a little over an hour either way.


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If the second and third cities cannot be connected by a motorway then we might as well give up. All roads lead to Dublin, anything else is clearly a waste of time.



It is


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Cork and Limerick are not that small relative to international standards. Cities generally go in order of fractions from 1/2 to 1/3 to 1/5 the size of capital cities. That’s a general law.

The reality is that Cork is not Ireland’s second city. Belfast is and historically itself was the industrial driver of the country.

The motorway is worthwhile but we have to start getting real on things like airports. Cork and Shannon is a waste of money once you build this and the majority can get there in a little over an hour either way.

The airports will sort themselves out, with Shannon and its existing aerospace industries likely the winner. Last year(2017) Cork had 2.3m passengers, and Shannon 1.7m. Compare with Dublin, which this January alone had 2m passengers. There is little need for anything other than maintenance expenditure in either airport and certainly no large Capex items.


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So a friend of mine is doing to the masters in Social Work in UCD at the moment.

Young lad he knows wrote an essay arguing for increased personal responsibility for drug addict parents and not to lay everything at the feet of the state.

He was asked to leave the course. :?

If that's true he should probably consult a solicitor.


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So Google have just taken another 52,000 sq ft in the Sandyford Industrial Estate/Business Park. That's room for another 350 bodies. They are showing no signs of all of slowing down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/con ... -1.3389641

This sounds like a completely different and stand alone part of the business being moved in.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:01 pm 
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So Google have just taken another 52,000 sq ft in the Sandyford Industrial Estate/Business Park. That's room for another 350 bodies. They are showing no signs of all of slowing down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/con ... -1.3389641

This sounds like a completely different and stand alone part of the business being moved in.



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So Google have just taken another 52,000 sq ft in the Sandyford Industrial Estate/Business Park. That's room for another 350 bodies. They are showing no signs of all of slowing down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/con ... -1.3389641

This sounds like a completely different and stand alone part of the business being moved in.



520

Call centre then ? Or do you have them down to 7.5 ?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:06 pm 
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camroc1 wrote:
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So Google have just taken another 52,000 sq ft in the Sandyford Industrial Estate/Business Park. That's room for another 350 bodies. They are showing no signs of all of slowing down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/con ... -1.3389641

This sounds like a completely different and stand alone part of the business being moved in.



520

Call centre then ? Or do you have them down to 7.5 ?



1:100 sq.ft is more than generous.

Call centres are far lower.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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So Google have just taken another 52,000 sq ft in the Sandyford Industrial Estate/Business Park. That's room for another 350 bodies. They are showing no signs of all of slowing down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/con ... -1.3389641

This sounds like a completely different and stand alone part of the business being moved in.



520

Call centre then ? Or do you have them down to 7.5 ?



1:100 sq.ft is more than generous.

Call centres are far lower.


Cammy, I've been in most of Googles Barrow Street offices and they are seriously efficient and some of the densest layouts in Dublin .....


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:17 pm 
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Cam has fallen for that bullology about pool tables and the like


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Fair enough.

So they already have about 6k here between permanent and contract. Opened Valesco yesterday, are taking over the Treasury building when NTMA/NAMA move to Dublin landings late 2018/early 2019, have allegedly bought the entire Bolands Quay development, and have now taken 52k sq ft out in Sandyford. They will have enough space coming on stream to more than double their numbers by 2020.


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Cam has fallen for that bullology about pool tables and the like


one of the interesting aspects of the Google cluster in Barrow St is the economies of scale that are at play. They have over half a million sq ft of space down there, but they can get by with one main reception area and a few satellite front of house porters/security guys in the other buildings

For e.g. .... if that was 5 large corporates with 100,000 sq ft each, there would be 5 massive lobbies and associated atria with a combined total footprint of maybe 50,000 sq ft (or 10% of the floor space). Whereas Googles reception space across the entire multi-building complex is maybe 10,000 sq ft max.

One of their buildings (can think of the name of it) has a front door, a security desk and a tiny lift lobby ...... while the building is probably 100,000 sq ft over 8 stories and accommodates 1500 desks easily I'd say


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Fair enough.

So they already have about 6k here between permanent and contract. Opened Valesco yesterday, are taking over the Treasury building when NTMA/NAMA move to Dublin landings late 2018/early 2019, have allegedly bought the entire Bolands Quay development, and have now taken 52k sq ft out in Sandyford. They will have enough space coming on stream to more than double their numbers by 2020.


Google Cloud is going into Valesco .... watch that division scale like wildfire ...... I can see them taking more buildings in Sandyford


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Now if we could just knock up a few apartments we'd be laughing.


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Funny you should mention that Mullet...... google, Facebook etc are all developing apartment complexes in San Francisco ..... only a matter of time before it happens here

Can you imagine the howls from the left :lol:


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Funny you should mention that Mullet...... google, Facebook etc are all developing apartment complexes in San Francisco ..... only a matter of time before it happens here

Can you imagine the howls from the left :lol:

I thought that Google have already bought the apartments associated with the Bolands Quay development ?


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camroc1 wrote:
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Funny you should mention that Mullet...... google, Facebook etc are all developing apartment complexes in San Francisco ..... only a matter of time before it happens here

Can you imagine the howls from the left :lol:

I thought that Google have already bought the apartments associated with the Bolands Quay development ?


Don't know if it was ever reported that that deal was completed?


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camroc1 wrote:
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Funny you should mention that Mullet...... google, Facebook etc are all developing apartment complexes in San Francisco ..... only a matter of time before it happens here

Can you imagine the howls from the left :lol:

I thought that Google have already bought the apartments associated with the Bolands Quay development ?



They have


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Funny you should mention that Mullet...... google, Facebook etc are all developing apartment complexes in San Francisco ..... only a matter of time before it happens here

Can you imagine the howls from the left :lol:

I thought that Google have already bought the apartments associated with the Bolands Quay development ?


Don't know if it was ever reported that that deal was completed?

They've basically taken over as funder/developer I thought ?


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Funder not developer


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Gavin Duffy wrote:
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anyone who has ever driven the waterford dublin motorway will see what a monumental waste of money it was (ditto the M2) ...... I hope Dr Morgenroth is wrong on this .... but I suspect not

It's not particularly busy, and they should probably have picked waterford up via wexford/M11 but I'd be confident a reasonable business case was made. You don't need the road to be chock-a-block for it to be economically viable.


Was the road between Dublin and Waterford not absolutely monumentally shit before the motorway?


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anyone who has ever driven the waterford dublin motorway will see what a monumental waste of money it was (ditto the M2) ...... I hope Dr Morgenroth is wrong on this .... but I suspect not

It's not particularly busy, and they should probably have picked waterford up via wexford/M11 but I'd be confident a reasonable business case was made. You don't need the road to be chock-a-block for it to be economically viable.


Was the road between Dublin and Waterford not absolutely monumentally shit before the motorway?


Yep. I knew it well.


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anyone who has ever driven the waterford dublin motorway will see what a monumental waste of money it was (ditto the M2) ...... I hope Dr Morgenroth is wrong on this .... but I suspect not

It's not particularly busy, and they should probably have picked waterford up via wexford/M11 but I'd be confident a reasonable business case was made. You don't need the road to be chock-a-block for it to be economically viable.


Was the road between Dublin and Waterford not absolutely monumentally shit before the motorway?


yes ...... and it required an upgrade, as opposed to a €600m motorway with feck all users


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Funder not developer


that was my point .... in the valley they are designing and developing resi schemes for their staff .... wont be long before same happens here ..... to inevitable cries of discrimination and class warfare x(

the solution to Dublin's housing problem is build to rent .... whether directly by large employers or via developers

check out the wembley regeneration scheme .... its an absolutely perfect model for Dublin


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Complain about the lack of use of the Dublin Watford motorway all you like, but in the context of Brexit it may turn out to be a smart piece of business.


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To be honest, I prefer the 'if you build it, they will come' attitude to upgrading roads. If only they'd had the foresight to plan similarly on the M7 or M50.

I don't think every infrastructure project has to have a direct financial benefit to the country straight away.


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Complain about the lack of use of the Dublin Watford motorway all you like, but in the context of Brexit it may turn out to be a smart piece of business.


not really ..... we'll have a completed M11 by then and most of the traffic/commerce from Dublin will end up going through Rosslare instead


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To be honest, I prefer the 'if you build it, they will come' attitude to upgrading roads. If only they'd had the foresight to plan similarly on the M7 or M50.

I don't think every infrastructure project has to have a direct financial benefit to the country straight away.


thats dangerously close to what the monorail salesman told the people of Springfield


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