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For all the RTE bashing on here over the years they are absolutely killing it today - advert free E.T. Followed by advert free original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Almost worth the €170. Almost.


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Actual value is about $1.98 on iTunes, if that.


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Actual value is about $1.98 on iTunes, if that.


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For all the RTE bashing on here over the years they are absolutely killing it today - advert free E.T. Followed by advert free original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Almost worth the €170. Almost.

Mainly you tbf


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Nice little video of current and proposed development in Docklands. It joins lots of the dots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn9y9cg0o-k

To the races tomorrow !


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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 38600.html

What a little creep this scumbag is, refused bail because "Likely to commit a murder" , why did she (age 25) meet up with him multiple times and allow a 15 year old to choke her out after meeting him on some picture app. This story gets weirder and weirder

Hopefully they throw away the key, clearly a danger to the public


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Careful now, George Hook got sacked for less


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Nice little video of current and proposed development in Docklands. It joins lots of the dots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn9y9cg0o-k

To the races tomorrow !


It looks good but it's farcical that some of those buildings are 5 or 6 floors.


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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/schoolboy-15-likely-to-commit-murder-if-released-court-told-36438600.html

What a little creep this scumbag is, refused bail because "Likely to commit a murder" , why did she (age 25) meet up with him multiple times and allow a 15 year old to choke her out after meeting him on some picture app. This story gets weirder and weirder

Hopefully they throw away the key, clearly a danger to the public


What in the name of fúck.

Like that teacher who murdered his family because someone found porn on his laptop, the news can be fierce depressing about humanity sometimes.


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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/schoolboy-15-likely-to-commit-murder-if-released-court-told-36438600.html

What a little creep this scumbag is, refused bail because "Likely to commit a murder" , why did she (age 25) meet up with him multiple times and allow a 15 year old to choke her out after meeting him on some picture app. This story gets weirder and weirder

Hopefully they throw away the key, clearly a danger to the public


What in the name of fúck.

Like that teacher who murdered his family because someone found porn on his laptop, the news can be fierce depressing about humanity sometimes.

Jesus I'd have to murder half of Dublin if people got a look at my laptop :uhoh:


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For all the RTE bashing on here over the years they are absolutely killing it today - advert free E.T. Followed by advert free original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Almost worth the €170. Almost.

Well I mean, at least they still give us the 6 nations......................


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Nice little video of current and proposed development in Docklands. It joins lots of the dots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn9y9cg0o-k

To the races tomorrow !


It looks good but it's farcical that some of those buildings are 5 or 6 floors.

Most are probably nearer 8, but agree minimum should have been 12 with allwances up to 30+.


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goose81 wrote:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/schoolboy-15-likely-to-commit-murder-if-released-court-told-36438600.html

What a little creep this scumbag is, refused bail because "Likely to commit a murder" , why did she (age 25) meet up with him multiple times and allow a 15 year old to choke her out after meeting him on some picture app. This story gets weirder and weirder

Hopefully they throw away the key, clearly a danger to the public


Heard some more on this weirdo today, via Whatsapp rumour of course. Son of a politician, went to a prominent Dublin school and was kicked out so was at another one this year. Playing away on his piano when AGS came to arrest him. Kill list on his phone, sounds properly deranged.

Will not come out because of his age but he needs to be locked up for the rest of his life.


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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
goose81 wrote:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/schoolboy-15-likely-to-commit-murder-if-released-court-told-36438600.html

What a little creep this scumbag is, refused bail because "Likely to commit a murder" , why did she (age 25) meet up with him multiple times and allow a 15 year old to choke her out after meeting him on some picture app. This story gets weirder and weirder

Hopefully they throw away the key, clearly a danger to the public


Heard some more on this weirdo today, via Whatsapp rumour of course. Son of a politician, went to a prominent Dublin school and was kicked out so was at another one this year. Playing away on his piano when AGS came to arrest him. Kill list on his phone, sounds properly deranged.

Will not come out because of his age but he needs to be locked up for the rest of his life.

He wouldn't have been the first son of a politician to get away with murder in this country.


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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
goose81 wrote:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/schoolboy-15-likely-to-commit-murder-if-released-court-told-36438600.html

What a little creep this scumbag is, refused bail because "Likely to commit a murder" , why did she (age 25) meet up with him multiple times and allow a 15 year old to choke her out after meeting him on some picture app. This story gets weirder and weirder

Hopefully they throw away the key, clearly a danger to the public


Heard some more on this weirdo today, via Whatsapp rumour of course. Son of a politician, went to a prominent Dublin school and was kicked out so was at another one this year. Playing away on his piano when AGS came to arrest him. Kill list on his phone, sounds properly deranged.

Will not come out because of his age but he needs to be locked up for the rest of his life.

Share the wealth mate surely you can give location of schools and more clues to the dad, what party


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Let’s start with an easy one...

Is the politician male or female?


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Haven't heard anything about his identity, but I've heard from the rumour mill he's considered a touch mental.


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Didn't Pronsias DeRossa's son go postal on him at one stage some time ago? Not a young fella, was in this thirties at least if I recall. Garda & courts were definitely involved in that one. Think there were mental health issues involved...


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Haven't heard anything about his identity, but I've heard from the rumour mill he's considered a touch mental.


The police didn't want him to get bail as they were sure he was to go out and kill someone.

That's as mental as it gets.


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From what I've heard the kid is an active danger and unlikely to be allowed out any time soon.


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Seems like a bit of a miracle that he's been caught before doing something even worse than what he's done already.


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Homeless families ‘may be gaming’ housing allocation system
Housing agency chief says prioritising homeless people could have exacerbated crisis

Families living in hotels and other emergency accommodation may be “gaming the system” by declaring themselves homeless to jump up the housing waiting list, according to the outgoing head of the Government’s Housing Agency, Conor Skehan.

The Government may have “unwittingly” encouraged people to exploit the housing allocations system by prioritising “self-declared homelessness” in the allocation of social housing, Mr Skehan said.

In January 2015, following the death of Jonathan Corrie who had been sleeping rough near Leinster House, the then minister for housing, Alan Kelly, ordered that 50 per cent of all social housing available in Dublin city and county was to be allocated to homeless people.

Prior to this, 10 per cent of social housing was allocated to homeless individuals or families in Dublin city and 4-6 per cent in the rest of Dublin.

At the end of December 2014, 331 families were living in emergency accommodation, mostly in hotels and B&Bs. By the following December, there were 683 homeless families. That number has now reached 1,530.

In July 2016, the 50 per cent allocation order was dropped, amid concerns that general housing waiting list applicants were being disadvantaged. However, Dublin City Council continues to prioritise homeless applicants. Up to October of this year, 43 per cent of new tenancies in the city went to homeless people.

Self-declared homelessness
Prioritisation could be distorting homelessness figures, Mr Skehan said.

“We unwittingly created a problem by prioritising self-declared homelessness above all other types of housing need, which created a distortion in the waiting list system and may have encouraged people to game the system.”

A way to gauge this effect would be to look at whether there was a “notable change in composition” of people presenting as homeless over the period, he said.

“If you were a social scientist analysing it, you might find people who had chaotic lives suddenly being displaced by people who had two or three kids and who have found a way of gaming the system. If you were systematic about it, you might find that one or two constituencies were places where that happened more than anywhere else in the country.”


A number of British local authorities had already recognised and addressed this problem, he said.

“Many homeless authorities in Britain have a very simple rule, which is, that if you believe yourself to be at risk of homelessness you report that status to the housing authority and then as soon as you present they will deal with you immediately.”

Those who turn up already having become homeless go into a “much more slow moving queue”, he said.

“Their lists evaporated over night. Even the most chaotic person will get some kind of a tip from the landlord saying, ‘we want you out at the end of the month’. It stops the grandstanding, the local authority will be down in a New York minute to talk to the landlord to find out what the problem is,” he said.

‘Flushes problems out’
“If you’re saying you’re being thrown out by your mother, they’ll say, ‘oh we didn’t know you were living with your mother, that’s completely different set of circumstances, we’ll have a talk with your mother about that’. It completely flushes problems out.”

A recent report from the Dublin Region Homeless Executive found that half of families who became homeless in the first six month of 2017 said the cause was “family circumstances”, including overcrowded accommodation and the breakdown of relationships between family members or partners.

The head of the executive, Eileen Gleeson, said many of these families may have moved back in with family after losing their rented housing.


balls of steel :lol:


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RTÉ’s News Review yesterday- all the stats rolled out with a heartbreaking track playing behind.


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danthefan wrote:
Seems like a bit of a miracle that he's been caught before doing something even worse than what he's done already.


Good chance that he might have already been receiving some sort of care/therapy so there might have been a substantial file on him.


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Homeless families ‘may be gaming’ housing allocation system
Housing agency chief says prioritising homeless people could have exacerbated crisis

Families living in hotels and other emergency accommodation may be “gaming the system” by declaring themselves homeless to jump up the housing waiting list, according to the outgoing head of the Government’s Housing Agency, Conor Skehan.

The Government may have “unwittingly” encouraged people to exploit the housing allocations system by prioritising “self-declared homelessness” in the allocation of social housing, Mr Skehan said.

In January 2015, following the death of Jonathan Corrie who had been sleeping rough near Leinster House, the then minister for housing, Alan Kelly, ordered that 50 per cent of all social housing available in Dublin city and county was to be allocated to homeless people.

Prior to this, 10 per cent of social housing was allocated to homeless individuals or families in Dublin city and 4-6 per cent in the rest of Dublin.

At the end of December 2014, 331 families were living in emergency accommodation, mostly in hotels and B&Bs. By the following December, there were 683 homeless families. That number has now reached 1,530.

In July 2016, the 50 per cent allocation order was dropped, amid concerns that general housing waiting list applicants were being disadvantaged. However, Dublin City Council continues to prioritise homeless applicants. Up to October of this year, 43 per cent of new tenancies in the city went to homeless people.

Self-declared homelessness
Prioritisation could be distorting homelessness figures, Mr Skehan said.

“We unwittingly created a problem by prioritising self-declared homelessness above all other types of housing need, which created a distortion in the waiting list system and may have encouraged people to game the system.”

A way to gauge this effect would be to look at whether there was a “notable change in composition” of people presenting as homeless over the period, he said.

“If you were a social scientist analysing it, you might find people who had chaotic lives suddenly being displaced by people who had two or three kids and who have found a way of gaming the system. If you were systematic about it, you might find that one or two constituencies were places where that happened more than anywhere else in the country.”


A number of British local authorities had already recognised and addressed this problem, he said.

“Many homeless authorities in Britain have a very simple rule, which is, that if you believe yourself to be at risk of homelessness you report that status to the housing authority and then as soon as you present they will deal with you immediately.”

Those who turn up already having become homeless go into a “much more slow moving queue”, he said.

“Their lists evaporated over night. Even the most chaotic person will get some kind of a tip from the landlord saying, ‘we want you out at the end of the month’. It stops the grandstanding, the local authority will be down in a New York minute to talk to the landlord to find out what the problem is,” he said.

‘Flushes problems out’
“If you’re saying you’re being thrown out by your mother, they’ll say, ‘oh we didn’t know you were living with your mother, that’s completely different set of circumstances, we’ll have a talk with your mother about that’. It completely flushes problems out.”

A recent report from the Dublin Region Homeless Executive found that half of families who became homeless in the first six month of 2017 said the cause was “family circumstances”, including overcrowded accommodation and the breakdown of relationships between family members or partners.

The head of the executive, Eileen Gleeson, said many of these families may have moved back in with family after losing their rented housing.


balls of steel :lol:


Good man Conor Skehan. He's really having a go at the homelessness figures. In addition to the above article he has another in today's IT lambasting the homeless charities as being part of the problem and not, without them changing, part of the solution :

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No way to end homelessness, says Housing Agency chairman
Conor Skehan calls for performance targets for homeless charities to justify State funding

“People conflate words like ‘rough sleeping’ and ‘homeless people’, and conflate ‘beggars’ and ‘rough sleepers’.” Photograph: Cyril Byrne




Homeless charities should be subject to “performance targets” to justify their annual State funding of more than €116 million, Housing Agency chairman Conor Skehan has said.

Mr Skehan, who will finish his six-year role with the agency in the New Year, said it was time to “scotch the lie” that homelessness could be ended, but to give individual housing charities specific tasks and targets to achieve each year.

Some 75 homeless charities operating nationally are in receipt of State funding of more than €116 million; 23 operate in Dublin alone, with 900 full-time employees.

“There is duplication between them all,” Mr Skehan said. “They need targets. There needs to be agreement that if there is this amount of money being spent, we expect to have a certain result come back for that expenditure.”

Asking individual charities to deal with different aspects of the homeless problem, such as rough sleeping, emergency accommodation, food provision, or health services – and assigning them goals to achieve in their particular area of specialism – would be a more effective way of dealing with the problem, he said.

Mr Skehan recently drew criticism from charities for saying that homelessness was “normal” and homeless numbers in Ireland were low by international standards.


“There will always be a night when someone ends up that way [sleeping rough] so instead of allowing ourselves be beaten up by this unattainable goal of ending homelessness, let’s decide what is a normal level of homelessness we will deal with, and not measure ourselves by numbers but by the performance – that is to say, the speed with which somebody who is a rough sleeper is identified, categorised and assigned a case officer,” he said.

“We could deal with that. We accept there will always be a homeless person, but our target is the speed and efficiency with which we deal with that person.”


Misidentification
Achieving these performance targets and assigning responsibility for dealing with different aspects of the homelessness problem would not be helped by the misidentification of different types of homelessness, said Mr Skehan.

“People conflate words like ‘rough sleeping’ and ‘homeless people’, and conflate ‘beggars’ and ‘rough sleepers’.”

When a rough sleeper dies, they will be described as a “homeless person”, he said, even if they had a place to live, but were sleeping rough because of other issues, such as mental health problems or addiction. Many rough sleepers may only sleep outside for “one or two nights in their lives” or may periodically drift into homelessness because of these issues, he said.

“Then we’ve a huge population of beggars in the city who are not rough sleepers, but every single beggar has a placard in front of them saying ‘homeless – please help’. They’ve learned that works.”

Separately, he says, there are people in emergency accommodation who may or may not have ever slept rough, but for a variety or reasons have left their previous home.

“What makes me cross is watching the wilful conflation of those different things by people who for their own various reasons want to make the crisis appear to be, if not worse, certainly different than it actually it is.”

Francis Doherty, head of communications with the Peter McVerry Trust, said the Dublin Region Homeless Executive does track its performance.

“There are sectoral key performance indicators. Our performance is tracked in relation to providing key workers and support plans for people. We have no problem with benchmarking – you have to be accountable if you are in receipt of State funding.”

However, he said none of the trust’s adult homeless services were 100 per cent State-funded.

“If we relied solely on State funding our services wouldn’t be to a standard we would be happy with, so we are topping up every service.”


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The thing to note is that he did not feel he could say these things until he had one foot out the door.


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The thing to note is that he did not feel he could say these things until he had one foot out the door.

Yep.

At least he's saying them whilst still in position, and not actually gone.

But it does say a lot that he hasn't said them earlier, probably because it would become a cause celebre for the usual suspects ending up with a Dáil vote of confidence in Murphy, with what Skehan is actually saying lost in the inevitable political spin and knock-about.


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Sure, look what happened when he pointed out the objective fact that our homeless stats aren't bad in comparison to our neighbours.


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It'll be interesting to see the reaction and how much traction his comments get. Obviously he's saying pretty much exactly what some of us on here have said but will anyone listen or care? Any attempts by the government to echo his points will be treated with disdain.


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If the Government doesn't take on this narrative they'll pay for it.

The crises can't be solved, everytime you skip the list another person tells their friend to do the same.

As pointed out many of us have been pointing this out to cries of Thatcher from the bored Commies.


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If the Government doesn't take on this narrative they'll pay for it.

The crises can't be solved, everytime you skip the list another person tells their friend to do the same.

As pointed out many of us have been pointing this out to cries of Thatcher from the bored Commies.


Hopefully they will act on it.

How do they reverse the housing list situation without massive fallout though?


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If the Government doesn't take on this narrative they'll pay for it.

The crises can't be solved, everytime you skip the list another person tells their friend to do the same.

As pointed out many of us have been pointing this out to cries of Thatcher from the bored Commies.


Hopefully they will act on it.

How do they reverse the housing list situation without massive fallout though?



The solution is very simple, the fallout is another question.

You simply return to the old system, the list is the list and you'll see an almost instant drop in numbers.


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Or change to the UK system as noted in the article, where deliberately making yourself homeless puts you to the back of the housing list.


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Or change to the UK system as noted in the article, where deliberately making yourself homeless puts you to the back of the housing list.



It's the same thing really.


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Or change to the UK system as noted in the article, where deliberately making yourself homeless puts you to the back of the housing list.



It's the same thing really.

It is, I suppose.

Just close the loophole that encourages people to game the system.


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Or change to the UK system as noted in the article, where deliberately making yourself homeless puts you to the back of the housing list.



It's the same thing really.


Yep.

And how do you define deliberately making yourself homeless anyway?


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Or change to the UK system as noted in the article, where deliberately making yourself homeless puts you to the back of the housing list.



It's the same thing really.

Yep.


And how do you define deliberately making yourself homeless anyway?

From the first Skehan article :

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A number of British local authorities had already recognised and addressed this problem, he said.

“Many homeless authorities in Britain have a very simple rule, which is, that if you believe yourself to be at risk of homelessness you report that status to the housing authority and then as soon as you present they will deal with you immediately.”

Those who turn up already having become homeless go into a “much more slow moving queue”, he said.

“Their lists evaporated over night. Even the most chaotic person will get some kind of a tip from the landlord saying, ‘we want you out at the end of the month’. It stops the grandstanding, the local authority will be down in a New York minute to talk to the landlord to find out what the problem is,” he said.

‘Flushes problems out’
“If you’re saying you’re being thrown out by your mother, they’ll say, ‘oh we didn’t know you were living with your mother, that’s completely different set of circumstances, we’ll have a talk with your mother about that’. It completely flushes problems out.”

A recent report from the Dublin Region Homeless Executive found that half of families who became homeless in the first six month of 2017 said the cause was “family circumstances”, including overcrowded accommodation and the breakdown of relationships between family members or partners.

The head of the executive, Eileen Gleeson, said many of these families may have moved back in with family after losing their rented housing.


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That makes a lot of sense. And that measure should be easier to implement without any political fallout.


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The British also create purpose-built slums for troublesome tenants in some areas. Not sure we need to follow their model too closely.


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The British also create purpose-built slums for troublesome tenants in some areas. Not sure we need to follow their model too closely.



What's your point?


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