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The British also create purpose-built slums for troublesome tenants in some areas. Not sure we need to follow their model too closely.

I thought they sent them all to Blackpool and other such former coastal resorts, that have lots of cheap hotels/boarding houses and fúck all tourists ?


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The British also create purpose-built slums for troublesome tenants in some areas. Not sure we need to follow their model too closely.

I thought they sent them all to Blackpool and other such former coastal resorts, that have lots of cheap hotels/boarding houses and fúck all tourists ?



There is no policy it's just common sense.

Why sit on the dole in London when you can do it in Blackpool with 50p pints.

Our lads aren't that sharp.


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With out level of social welfare 6yoyo pints are peanuts.


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That makes a lot of sense. And that measure should be easier to implement without any political fallout.


Are you mad.

So much as a peep from the govt that some homeless cases aren't genuine and the homeless industry will lose their damn minds.


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That makes a lot of sense. And that measure should be easier to implement without any political fallout.


Are you mad.

So much as a peep from the govt that some homeless cases aren't genuine and the homeless industry will lose their damn minds.


This measure doesn't say homelessness isn't a problem. It's proactive and works to fix a problem before it happens so it'll be politically doable although implementing it in the first place will be the issue and the government will probably manage to screw it up.


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danthefan wrote:
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That makes a lot of sense. And that measure should be easier to implement without any political fallout.


Are you mad.

So much as a peep from the govt that some homeless cases aren't genuine and the homeless industry will lose their damn minds.



You need to soften the ground with a few stories like this first.

Then you go to people who've done the right thing and waited on the list.

The worm will turn. People are already getting a bit cynical.


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https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/telling-men-to-be-ashamed-of-masculinity-is-whats-really-toxic-36446961.html

Interesting piece.


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Crazy murder child looking at more charges apparently.

How does the law work with minors, can they keep him locked up for significant amounts of time?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:42 pm 
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Mullet 2 wrote:


This part:

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Bono, of course, was talking more about mainstream music, which, though he'd probably hate to admit it, is the musical space that he himself occupies. He meant the stuff that most people are listening to. The songs that get played on the radio. In that respect, he's surely right. Swaggering sexuality is out. Snarling aggression is frowned upon. Being in touch with one's feelings is in. Never mind the quality. Feel "the feels".

Is true, but this is as much to do with market saturation and U2 have tracked the market. They used to be punk now he sings about his dad etc. If you want Rob Zombie you can get that. I know thats not really what the article is about.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:46 pm 
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I don't think the music part is important at all to be honest.

Sure it's all shite since Roy Orbison died.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:35 pm 
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danthefan wrote:
Crazy murder child looking at more charges apparently.

How does the law work with minors, can they keep him locked up for significant amounts of time?

The Children's Act, 2001 (Section 96 thereof) requires that detention be used as a last resort when trying a minor.

In practical terms, with a dangerous minor, they can be sentenced as anybody else would, if a judge feels it's merited.

The old law of doli incapax is now <12 has no criminal responsibility and 12 to 14 have a rebuttable presumption. Anything north of 14 and you'll be tried as having capacity, albeit sentenced factoring S.96.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:50 pm 
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And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


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Only a matter of time.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:56 pm 
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CM11 wrote:
And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


I'm shocked.


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CM11 wrote:
And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


Yes, because letting people espouse their views unchallenged is what Ireland is all about.


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Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


Yes, because letting people espouse their views unchallenged is what Ireland is all about.

Yeah, who needs experts like Dr. Skehan who specialise in housing anyway ?

Do 'experts' like him really know more than self interested bandwaggoners like Eoin O'Broin ?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:02 pm 
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camroc1 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


Yes, because letting people espouse their views unchallenged is what Ireland is all about.

Yeah, who needs experts like Dr. Skehan who specialise in housing anyway ?

Do 'experts' like him really know more than self interested bandwaggoners like Eoin O'Broin ?


:?

So we should take everything he says as gospel? He hasn't really offered anything as evidence, just that there "might" be people gaming the system. There are plenty of opposing views to him, from plenty of other experts in the field.


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Bullettyme wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


Yes, because letting people espouse their views unchallenged is what Ireland is all about.

Yeah, who needs experts like Dr. Skehan who specialise in housing anyway ?

Do 'experts' like him really know more than self interested bandwaggoners like Eoin O'Broin ?


:?

So we should take everything he says as gospel? He hasn't really offered anything as evidence, just that there "might" be people gaming the system. There are plenty of opposing views to him, from plenty of other experts in the field.

He pointed out how it was dealt with overseas and I'd be willing to bet that they have a similar system in the Scandanavian Utopias.


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Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


Yes, because letting people espouse their views unchallenged is what Ireland is all about.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


Yes, because letting people espouse their views unchallenged is what Ireland is all about.


You think using figures from 20 months ago is a legitimate 'challenge'?

He may not have clear proof but he's put forward sensible suggestions. Which of proactively trying to avoid losing your home in the first place, more efficient use of homeless services and not conflating rough sleepers, those in emergency accommodation and non homeless beggars do you have a problem with?


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Bullettyme wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
CM11 wrote:
And it's started:

http://www.thejournal.ie/housing-agency ... 1-Jan2018/

Using figures from April 2016 is very helpful.


Yes, because letting people espouse their views unchallenged is what Ireland is all about.

Yeah, who needs experts like Dr. Skehan who specialise in housing anyway ?

Do 'experts' like him really know more than self interested bandwaggoners like Eoin O'Broin ?


:?

So we should take everything he says as gospel? He hasn't really offered anything as evidence, just that there "might" be people gaming the system. There are plenty of opposing views to him, from plenty of other experts in the field.

Because he's the head of the Housing Agency ? You know the state authority specifically set up to provide such expertise to government. You know who's legal MO is to give the government independent advice on housing. The recognised authority on provision of public housing.

https://www.housingagency.ie/About-Us.aspx

You don't get much more expert on the topic than Dr. Conor Skehan.

Now can you list your other experts in the field, so we can compare ?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:21 pm 
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The ironic part being it is clearly Skehan challenging an effective media blackout of any analysis. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:29 pm 
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something completely different than whining about how great it is to be on the homeless register but was very impressed with the new(ish) passport service - applied for the regular passport and passport card that you can use in the EU for travel while sitting at my desk, taking a selfie and slotting in credit card details, all in about 10 minutes - got both delivered within 2 weeks ; am sure the manpower savings have been properly accounted for.


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When Dublin City actually interrogated the housing waiting list and it’s applicants forensically last year, nearly 1 in 4 people decided that they weren’t actually that bothered to remain on the list ..... if it meant answering awkward questions about their income, their previous circumstances etc etc

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3053165

People who think there is no gaming of the system going on, typically fall into 3 categories:

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Shinners like Eoin O’Broin who want to use homelessness as a stick to beat government with
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Poverty industry people like Mike Allen (and the 900 other homelessness charity workers) who’s salaries depend on the ongoing ‘crisis’
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Gullible fools who believe 1/ or 2/ above


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Mullet 2 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
The British also create purpose-built slums for troublesome tenants in some areas. Not sure we need to follow their model too closely.

I thought they sent them all to Blackpool and other such former coastal resorts, that have lots of cheap hotels/boarding houses and fúck all tourists ?



There is no policy it's just common sense.

Why sit on the dole in London when you can do it in Blackpool with 50p pints.

Our lads aren't that sharp.


Ah FFS lads, Brighton is one of the most upmarket and expensive places in the UK! :lol:


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'Tis indeed, but Blackpool is the fetid arsehole of the Northwest.


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When Dublin City actually interrogated the housing waiting list and it’s applicants forensically last year, nearly 1 in 4 people decided that they weren’t actually that bothered to remain on the list ..... if it meant answering awkward questions about their income, their previous circumstances etc etc

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3053165

People who think there is no gaming of the system going on, typically fall into 3 categories:

1/
Shinners like Eoin O’Broin who want to use homelessness as a stick to beat government with
2/
Poverty industry people like Mike Allen (and the 900 other homelessness charity workers) who’s salaries depend on the ongoing ‘crisis’
3/
Gullible fools who believe 1/ or 2/ above


no one, even snowflakes like meself believe there is no gaming the system going on - equally deluded are the smug upper middle classes/wanna-bees that think there aren't any people in sh1t situations as regards housing in this country - even Apple our great overlords have noted getting decent accommodation for staff in Ireland is a major concern.


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rfurlong wrote:
When Dublin City actually interrogated the housing waiting list and it’s applicants forensically last year, nearly 1 in 4 people decided that they weren’t actually that bothered to remain on the list ..... if it meant answering awkward questions about their income, their previous circumstances etc etc

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3053165

People who think there is no gaming of the system going on, typically fall into 3 categories:

1/
Shinners like Eoin O’Broin who want to use homelessness as a stick to beat government with
2/
Poverty industry people like Mike Allen (and the 900 other homelessness charity workers) who’s salaries depend on the ongoing ‘crisis’
3/
Gullible fools who believe 1/ or 2/ above


no one, even snowflakes like meself believe there is no gaming the system going on - equally deluded are the smug upper middle classes/wanna-bees that think there aren't any people in sh1t situations as regards housing in this country - even Apple our great overlords have noted getting decent accommodation for staff in Ireland is a major concern.


I'm sure you have a list of smug people who think there isn't a problem?


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'Tis indeed, but Blackpool is the fetid arsehole of the Northwest.


Brighton's hardly short of a few fetid arseholes all the same.


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Interesting story.

Hot on the heels of the MV WB Yeats, the largest cruise ferry in the world, ICG have announced the construction of a sister cruise ferry. Why ? Because they see the sea transport market changing and a hell of a lot more demand for Dublin-Cherbourg/Roscoff. Brexit moves in mysterious ways.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3342910


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:33 pm 
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'Tis indeed, but Blackpool is the fetid arsehole of the Northwest.


Y'see, this is what happens when the brain doesn't work properly! :blush:


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Interesting story.

Hot on the heels of the MV WB Yeats, the largest cruise ferry in the world, ICG have announced the construction of a sister cruise ferry. Why ? Because they see the sea transport market changing and a hell of a lot more demand for Dublin-Cherbourg/Roscoff. Brexit moves in mysterious ways.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3342910


Cammy, Rosslare port authority are reported to be in negotiations with Brest and other ports over new routes to mainland Europe


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CM11 wrote:
ticketlessinseattle wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
When Dublin City actually interrogated the housing waiting list and it’s applicants forensically last year, nearly 1 in 4 people decided that they weren’t actually that bothered to remain on the list ..... if it meant answering awkward questions about their income, their previous circumstances etc etc

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3053165

People who think there is no gaming of the system going on, typically fall into 3 categories:

1/
Shinners like Eoin O’Broin who want to use homelessness as a stick to beat government with
2/
Poverty industry people like Mike Allen (and the 900 other homelessness charity workers) who’s salaries depend on the ongoing ‘crisis’
3/
Gullible fools who believe 1/ or 2/ above


no one, even snowflakes like meself believe there is no gaming the system going on - equally deluded are the smug upper middle classes/wanna-bees that think there aren't any people in sh1t situations as regards housing in this country - even Apple our great overlords have noted getting decent accommodation for staff in Ireland is a major concern.


I'm sure you have a list of smug people who think there isn't a problem?


Of course he doesn’t .... but since when has that stood in the way of propogating the ‘right-on’ narrative?


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rfurlong wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Interesting story.

Hot on the heels of the MV WB Yeats, the largest cruise ferry in the world, ICG have announced the construction of a sister cruise ferry. Why ? Because they see the sea transport market changing and a hell of a lot more demand for Dublin-Cherbourg/Roscoff. Brexit moves in mysterious ways.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3342910


Cammy, Rosslare port authority are reported to be in negotiations with Brest and other ports over new routes to mainland Europe

Need to finish the motorway to Rosslare first. It'll be difficult to shift Dublins predominance though, as most current supply routes run through there. Cork might have a better chance though, if they got their act together, and just built very large RoRo capacity in a deepwater part of the harbour with a proper link to the motorway system.


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rfurlong wrote:
CM11 wrote:
ticketlessinseattle wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
When Dublin City actually interrogated the housing waiting list and it’s applicants forensically last year, nearly 1 in 4 people decided that they weren’t actually that bothered to remain on the list ..... if it meant answering awkward questions about their income, their previous circumstances etc etc

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3053165

People who think there is no gaming of the system going on, typically fall into 3 categories:

1/
Shinners like Eoin O’Broin who want to use homelessness as a stick to beat government with
2/
Poverty industry people like Mike Allen (and the 900 other homelessness charity workers) who’s salaries depend on the ongoing ‘crisis’
3/
Gullible fools who believe 1/ or 2/ above


no one, even snowflakes like meself believe there is no gaming the system going on - equally deluded are the smug upper middle classes/wanna-bees that think there aren't any people in sh1t situations as regards housing in this country - even Apple our great overlords have noted getting decent accommodation for staff in Ireland is a major concern.


I'm sure you have a list of smug people who think there isn't a problem?


Of course he doesn’t .... but since when has that stood in the way of propogating the ‘right-on’ narrative?


you, Cammy, mullet, HKL for starters


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None of them have said there isn't a problem.


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What's going on in Dundalk?


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What's going on in Dundalk?


18 year old Syrian guy with a knife and an iron bar attacking random targets.
Japanese guy is dead.
Couple of locals injured.


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Flametop wrote:
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What's going on in Dundalk?


18 year old Syrian guy with a knife and an iron bar attacking random targets.
Japanese guy is dead.
Couple of locals injured.


:shock:

Saw a Middle Easterner was involved alright. Worrying.


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Must be mental illness. I’ll wait to hear what Michael D’s take on it is before deciding what angle I’ll blame the West for it.


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