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iarmhiman wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:The taxi drivers can go and fudge themselves. Rip off merchants of the highest order. A plaza like that is what is needed for a city like Dublin, open dealing talk is a bit hysterical for me. Why would it suddenly become an issue there in a big wide open square?

If you had pedestrianised streets from Temple Bar all the way through South William to Stephen's Green shopping centre, that would make Dublin very tourist friendly.

Not sure about that tbh.

Bullettyme wrote:Who said anything about a "huge amount of traffic"? You're abit all over the shop here.

Bullettyme wrote:however there's a huge amount of bike traffic in and out that gate

Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.

camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.

In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.

CM11 wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:Who said anything about a "huge amount of traffic"? You're abit all over the shop here.

Bullettyme wrote:however there's a huge amount of bike traffic in and out that gate

Lol turns out it is I!

But that's relative. I mean it's also pretty slow moving at that stage. Which isn't a problem for pedestrians really. As I said, a couple of lanes is probably the best idea. A couple of rothar gardai too. Goes alright at smithfield. Banning bikes would be ridiculous.

Bullettyme wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:Who said anything about a "huge amount of traffic"? You're abit all over the shop here.

Bullettyme wrote:however there's a huge amount of bike traffic in and out that gate

Lol turns out it is I!

But that's relative. I mean it's also pretty slow moving at that stage. Which isn't a problem for pedestrians really. As I said, a couple of lanes is probably the best idea. A couple of rothar gardai too. Goes alright at smithfield. Banning bikes would be ridiculous.

Bikes accessing the area aren't necessarily the problem but see my point above. It's primarily bikes using it for through traffic and I don't see why they can't go around. It's hardly a massive detour.

CM11 wrote:

camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.

In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.

Agree totally.

A large minority of Irish cyclists have an attitude problem, and act as if the rules of the road, never mind common courtesy, doesn't apply to them. As you say, a 'Cyclists Dismount' rule over the entire area would make a lot of sense, even though it would be punishing those who cycle carefully.

Depends where the detour is though and what way they're coming from, and if they'll do anything about various one way systems in place.

camroc1 wrote:

CM11 wrote:

camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.

In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.

Agree totally.

A large minority of Irish cyclists have an attitude problem, and act as if the rules of the road, never mind common courtesy, doesn't apply to them. As you say, a 'Cyclists Dismount' rule over the entire area would make a lot of sense, even though it would be punishing those who cycle carefully.

Whoa there charlie.

Cycling is permitted on the footpath in ireland. Change that first before blaming cyclists and throwing out words like 'rules of the road'.

Also a lot of Irish infra is built with the intention of cyclists on footpaths with no other divide than a white line. Its lunacy doing that. I dont like it when cycling, I imagine pedestrians dont either but where is the choice
?

There's a nice segregated cycling area there currently outside the old PoI which would make sense to keep Again that won't stop idiots wandering into it without looking, but can't win them all.

Bullettyme wrote:There's a nice segregated cycling area there currently outside the old PoI which would make sense to keep Again that won't stop idiots wandering into it without looking, but can't win them all.

Do that in Amsterdam you get lynched.... and people agree that you should.

nardol wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:There's a nice segregated cycling area there currently outside the old PoI which would make sense to keep Again that won't stop idiots wandering into it without looking, but can't win them all.

Do that in Amsterdam you get lynched.... and people agree that you should.

I'd like to subscribe to this newsletter. Nearly did an injury to myself and most importantly my bike last week with some guy, hood up, earphone in crossing on a red looking the wrong way of a one way. Scary.

Just back from Amsterdam for the weekend and cycling was incredibly stress free. They got the Lance Armstrong types, don't wear helmets and don't wear high viz, simple difference is dedicated cycle only space and cycle only lights. We're going to have to make a lot of streets one way and/or remove street parking with strong education/enforcement if that level of integration is going to be achieved.

It was also interesting to see that in Vondelspark, where there was shared pedestrian/cycling paths, it was exactly the same experience as Dublin with lots of chaos and cyclists blaming pedestrians and vice versa.

nardol wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

CM11 wrote:

camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.

In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.

Agree totally.

A large minority of Irish cyclists have an attitude problem, and act as if the rules of the road, never mind common courtesy, doesn't apply to them. As you say, a 'Cyclists Dismount' rule over the entire area would make a lot of sense, even though it would be punishing those who cycle carefully.

Whoa there charlie.

Cycling is permitted on the footpath in ireland. Change that first before blaming cyclists and throwing out words like 'rules of the road'.

Also a lot of Irish infra is built with the intention of cyclists on footpaths with no other divide than a white line. Its lunacy doing that. I dont like it when cycling, I imagine pedestrians dont either but where is the choice
?

Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property.

CM11 wrote:

nardol wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

CM11 wrote:

camroc1 wrote:Cyclists aren't the problem in a pedestrianised area so long as they cycle slowly and carefully. It's the cúnts who use a shared, or partly shared surface whilst thinking they are in a sprint finish in the TdeF and everyone else is a competitor to be driven into the barriers that are the problem.

In particular I would think trying to avoid cyclists going in and out of the main gate of Trinity makes sense because as a destination square you're going to get even more pedestrians wandering in and out of Trinity.

You'd obviously need a marked path for cyclists if you are allowing them access, I guess running along the Luas. But I don't see the point of allowing it for through cyclists and as I said, better to keep them away from accessing Trinity at that gate.

Nothing stopping them walking their bikes, it's hardly a long walk.

Agree totally.

A large minority of Irish cyclists have an attitude problem, and act as if the rules of the road, never mind common courtesy, doesn't apply to them. As you say, a 'Cyclists Dismount' rule over the entire area would make a lot of sense, even though it would be punishing those who cycle carefully.

Whoa there charlie.

Cycling is permitted on the footpath in ireland. Change that first before blaming cyclists and throwing out words like 'rules of the road'.

Also a lot of Irish infra is built with the intention of cyclists on footpaths with no other divide than a white line. Its lunacy doing that. I dont like it when cycling, I imagine pedestrians dont either but where is the choice
?

Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property.

fudge me.

I stand corrected if that's the case.
Good thing I never do.

Speaking of cyclists, I cycled home through town a bit earlier than usual today and fudge me I saw some absolute twats about the place. My favourite was a lad absolutely festooned in lights, had them on his helmet, his clothes, around the rims of his wheels, on the bike itself, who proceeded to cycle through every red light he came to. Didn't matter if there was traffic coming or not. I can entirely understand why people get so pissed off about it.

So Leo is playing hardball with May over full implementation of the GFA after last weeks collapse in talks.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0 ... -stormont/

That should make for some interesting 'tete a tetes' between the two when May comes looking for Irish support in the Brexit trade talks.

Interesting times.

danthefan wrote:Speaking of cyclists, I cycled home through town a bit earlier than usual today and fudge me I saw some absolute twats about the place. My favourite was a lad absolutely festooned in lights, had them on his helmet, his clothes, around the rims of his wheels, on the bike itself, who proceeded to cycle through every red light he came to. Didn't matter if there was traffic coming or not. I can entirely understand why people get so pissed off about it.

And how did you observe all this red light breaking?

Gavin Duffy wrote:

danthefan wrote:Speaking of cyclists, I cycled home through town a bit earlier than usual today and fudge me I saw some absolute twats about the place. My favourite was a lad absolutely festooned in lights, had them on his helmet, his clothes, around the rims of his wheels, on the bike itself, who proceeded to cycle through every red light he came to. Didn't matter if there was traffic coming or not. I can entirely understand why people get so pissed off about it.

And how did you observe all this red light breaking?

With my eyes?

I'm guessing he's wondering how you managed to keep up with him if you weren't also breaking the lights?

CM11 wrote:I'm guessing he's wondering how you managed to keep up with him if you weren't also breaking the lights?

Lights in town are a few hundred metres or less away from each other. You will often catch up to people who skip lights at the next set.

danthefan wrote:

CM11 wrote:I'm guessing he's wondering how you managed to keep up with him if you weren't also breaking the lights?

Lights in town are a few hundred metres or less away from each other. You will often catch up to people who skip lights at the next set.

Bertie defending his legacy by undercutting Michael on Claire Byrne Live

Philip Ryan
‏ @Philip_Ryan
8m8 minutes ago

Bertie Ahern has told Fianna Fail leader Micheal Martin to butt out of the Stormont negotiations and support the Government during in the talks. #cblive

paddyor wrote:Bertie defending his legacy by undercutting Michael on Claire Byrne Live

Philip Ryan
‏ @Philip_Ryan
8m8 minutes ago

Bertie Ahern has told Fianna Fail leader Micheal Martin to butt out of the Stormont negotiations and support the Government during in the talks. #cblive

Martin is being fitted for a funeral suit.

If the next IT Red C poll has similar results as the Sindo and SBP polls yesterday he's toast. He's also allowed Leo to rob FFs emerald green flag. leaving Martin looking very foolish indeed, especially with SF yapping around their republican end.

Don't know if you have been following the weather folks but we have a Beast from the east coming next week.

I've been following the models and they're agreeing now.

Going to be snow.

SSW has caused this.

iarmhiman wrote:Don't know if you have been following the weather folks but we have a Beast from the east coming next week.

I've been following the models and they're agreeing now.

Going to be snow.

SSW has caused this.

Been following this myself.

I'd wait until Thursday and see if all the models are still aligned. But if it comes, Dublin could be in for a right dump, given the lake snow effect of a long reach over the Irish sea from Liverpool, and the relatively warm waters compared to the very very cold upper temps.

camroc1 wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:Don't know if you have been following the weather folks but we have a Beast from the east coming next week.

I've been following the models and they're agreeing now.

Going to be snow.

SSW has caused this.

Been following this myself.

I'd wait until Thursday and see if all the models are still aligned. But if it comes, Dublin could be in for a right dump, given the lake snow effect of a long reach over the Irish sea from Liverpool, and the relatively warm waters compared to the very very cold upper temps.

You're spot on Cammy. Didn't have you down as a weather type. Big hobby of mine.

Take a look at that. This happens very rarely.

SSW will cause a high pressure over Scandinavia, which in turn will cause the winds to come from the east.

This will be colder than anything we've had this year.

iarmhiman wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:Don't know if you have been following the weather folks but we have a Beast from the east coming next week.

I've been following the models and they're agreeing now.

Going to be snow.

SSW has caused this.

Been following this myself.

I'd wait until Thursday and see if all the models are still aligned. But if it comes, Dublin could be in for a right dump, given the lake snow effect of a long reach over the Irish sea from Liverpool, and the relatively warm waters compared to the very very cold upper temps.

You're spot on Cammy. Didn't have you down as a weather type. Big hobby of mine.

2009/10 got me interested in MT Craniums forecasts on Boards, and I've taken an interest from then.

I even have my own home weather station.

camroc1 wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:Don't know if you have been following the weather folks but we have a Beast from the east coming next week.

I've been following the models and they're agreeing now.

Going to be snow.

SSW has caused this.

Been following this myself.

I'd wait until Thursday and see if all the models are still aligned. But if it comes, Dublin could be in for a right dump, given the lake snow effect of a long reach over the Irish sea from Liverpool, and the relatively warm waters compared to the very very cold upper temps.

You're spot on Cammy. Didn't have you down as a weather type. Big hobby of mine.

2009/10 got me interested in MT Craniums forecasts on Boards, and I've taken an interest from then.

I even have my own home weather station.

2009/2010 was the snowy December with all the Thunder snow??? I remember that. This will be worse if the models keep these predictions up.

Ah for fudge sake

We cannot handle this sort of weather at all

danthefan wrote:Ah for fudge sake

We cannot handle this sort of weather at all

We will grind to a halt. No doubt about it.

EverReady wrote:Here I have to go on a plane Friday week. Your weather better not fúck me up

Bit far away to predict, but models hinted at the easterly turning north easterly. That unfortunately will yield more snow as the dew points will be proper low then.

EverReady wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

EverReady wrote:Here I have to go on a plane Friday week. Your weather better not fúck me up

Bit far away to predict, but models hinted at the easterly turning north easterly. That unfortunately will yield more snow as the dew points will be proper low then.

You are dead if that happens

fudge.

The first rule of model watching is that snow is ALWAYS marginal in Ireland. The charts can look right until the forecast day, but suddenly wet bulb temperature rises one degree, and we get wet sleety rain instead of snow.

The 7 day model forecasts at the moment are so good for cold/snow that even if they only come off to 50% means we will have significant snow.

It'll be Friday/Saturday before any real reliable forecasts can be made.

What about London ? Has it passed us already ?

Leinster in London wrote:What about London ? Has it passed us already ?

6 days time is when it's due to start. Maybe a day or so earlier in the UK.

camroc1 wrote:

Leinster in London wrote:What about London ? Has it passed us already ?

6 days time is when it's due to start. Maybe a day or so earlier in the UK.

Ta, I thought it was the purple patch that was the problem.
Well I'm all stocked up already. Bring it on.

iarmhiman wrote:

EverReady wrote:Here I have to go on a plane Friday week. Your weather better not fúck me up

Bit far away to predict, but models hinted at the easterly turning north easterly. That unfortunately will yield more snow as the dew points will be proper low then.

So that's Saturday potenially as well?

Bullettyme wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Gavin Duffy wrote:Banning cyclists from the front of trinity would be ridiculous.

Why?

People use bikes to get in to university. There's tonnes of them coming in and out. It would also be a prime spot for a Dublin Bikes terminal and various tourism rentals.

Front gate is horrible to try and enter on a bike. Even walking it through, like you're supposed to, is difficult because you fill the while with of the entrance.