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Actually, just realised it was 2016 when FG got my first, first preference. 2011 was when they got my first second preference.

Who the fúck were you voting for before that!


Ruari Quinn.


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I love this bollocks

The Indies are happy with their mercs and a couple of parish pump items.

Can you stop talking bollocks that they are setting the budget :lol:

It wouldn't interest them in the slightest


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CM11 wrote:
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Actually, just realised it was 2016 when FG got my first, first preference. 2011 was when they got my first second preference.

Who the fúck were you voting for before that!


Ruari Quinn.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Away with you


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:19 pm 
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CM11 wrote:
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Actually, just realised it was 2016 when FG got my first, first preference. 2011 was when they got my first second preference.

Who the fúck were you voting for before that!


Ruari Quinn.

How did the prevailing FG narrative work for him and labour?


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paddyor wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Actually, just realised it was 2016 when FG got my first, first preference. 2011 was when they got my first second preference.

Who the fúck were you voting for before that!


Ruari Quinn.

How did the prevailing FG narrative work for him and labour?


Wut?


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CM11 wrote:
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CM11 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Actually, just realised it was 2016 when FG got my first, first preference. 2011 was when they got my first second preference.

Who the fúck were you voting for before that!


Ruari Quinn.

How did the prevailing FG narrative work for him and labour?


Wut?

You don't see any similarity between what you're arguing re FG and what Labour went into the last election arguing?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:38 pm 
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I'm not arguing for FG. I'm arguing for a centrist government. At the moment, that's most likely FG but as I said already, don't abstain, make sure we return enough centrist TDs of whatever hue so our country doesn't go down the shitter.


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I'm not arguing for FG. I'm arguing for a centrist government. At the moment, that's most likely FG but as I said already, don't abstain, make sure we return enough centrist TDs of whatever hue so our country doesn't go down the shitter.

Two weak centrist/populist parties occupying the same ground pretty much ensures permanent coalition government and "one for everybody in the audience" platforms. Wake me up when they merge.

Glad Cammy mentioned the PD's. Another party that talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. Even by the low standards of Angola, Harney's tenure there was catastrophic.


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To the ditch


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Just catching up with the Irish media view of yesterdays action....... It would appear that the budget imitated its author, dull as fcuk.


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Just catching up with the Irish media view of yesterdays action....... It would appear that the budget imitated its author, dull as fcuk.

Better dull than McCreevy-esque.


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You think a 6 billion increase on 2018 spending isn't Charlie esque no?

Nearly 10%

At least McCreevy ran a surplus and put 40 billion in the pension fund to stop us turning into a full blown Angola in 2008


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You think a 6 billion increase on 2018 spending isn't Charlie esque no?

Nearly 10%

At least McCreevy ran a surplus and put 40 billion in the pension fund to stop us turning into a full blown Angola in 2008

Whatever happened to that pension fund?

This government has turned into a joke, you're not wrong there, but it could be so much worse. I think this is currently the least awful option.


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You think a 6 billion increase on 2018 spending isn't Charlie esque no?

Nearly 10%

At least McCreevy ran a surplus and put 40 billion in the pension fund to stop us turning into a full blown Angola in 2008

Whatever happened to that pension fund?

This government has turned into a joke, you're not wrong there, but it could be so much worse. I think this is currently the least awful option.


So what are you going to spend your extra fiver on ?


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What I find remarkable and something I hadn't fully realised is that this projected expenditure is double the projected expenditure for 2005 (with this year being double 2004).

We all seemed to think we were rich back in 2005 so I vote we go back to whatever we were doing then and use the rest to pay off the debt.


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CM11 wrote:
What I find remarkable and something I hadn't fully realised is that this projected expenditure is double the projected expenditure for 2005 (with this year being double 2004).

We all seemed to think we were rich back in 2005 so I vote we go back to whatever we were doing then and use the rest to pay off the debt.

PS salaries and pensions and Health.


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CM11 wrote:
What I find remarkable and something I hadn't fully realised is that this projected expenditure is double the projected expenditure for 2005 (with this year being double 2004).

We all seemed to think we were rich back in 2005 so I vote we go back to whatever we were doing then and use the rest to pay off the debt.



You had a lot less kids then so that might explain the jump in expenditure


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Leinsterman wrote:
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What I find remarkable and something I hadn't fully realised is that this projected expenditure is double the projected expenditure for 2005 (with this year being double 2004).

We all seemed to think we were rich back in 2005 so I vote we go back to whatever we were doing then and use the rest to pay off the debt.



You had a lot less kids then so that might explain the jump in expenditure

fewer.

Edit : Although weighing CMs kids might be a simpler task than counting them!


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What I find remarkable and something I hadn't fully realised is that this projected expenditure is double the projected expenditure for 2005 (with this year being double 2004).

We all seemed to think we were rich back in 2005 so I vote we go back to whatever we were doing then and use the rest to pay off the debt.

PS salaries and pensions and Health.


Yup.

Health is just ridiculous. Gone from something like 4bn in 2000 to, what is it now? 17bn?


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Leinsterman wrote:
CM11 wrote:
What I find remarkable and something I hadn't fully realised is that this projected expenditure is double the projected expenditure for 2005 (with this year being double 2004).

We all seemed to think we were rich back in 2005 so I vote we go back to whatever we were doing then and use the rest to pay off the debt.



You had a lot less kids then so that might explain the jump in expenditure


:lol:


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Reckless budget considering the possible downsides in the global economy right now.


Whats the big one thats going to fook us all over next? Brexit, Italy or Trumps ego?


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The Sun God wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
You think a 6 billion increase on 2018 spending isn't Charlie esque no?

Nearly 10%

At least McCreevy ran a surplus and put 40 billion in the pension fund to stop us turning into a full blown Angola in 2008

Whatever happened to that pension fund?

This government has turned into a joke, you're not wrong there, but it could be so much worse. I think this is currently the least awful option.


So what are you going to spend your extra fiver on ?

A quarter of a nice bottle of wine?


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anonymous_joe wrote:
The Sun God wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
You think a 6 billion increase on 2018 spending isn't Charlie esque no?

Nearly 10%

At least McCreevy ran a surplus and put 40 billion in the pension fund to stop us turning into a full blown Angola in 2008

Whatever happened to that pension fund?

This government has turned into a joke, you're not wrong there, but it could be so much worse. I think this is currently the least awful option.


So what are you going to spend your extra fiver on ?

A quarter of a nice bottle of wine?

:lol: :thumbup:


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sewa wrote:
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Reckless budget considering the possible downsides in the global economy right now.


Whats the big one thats going to fook us all over next? Brexit, Italy or Trumps ego?


Trumps ego has the potential to fcuk up the entire planet so at least we won't be alone. Italy has the potential to fcuk up the Euro but it's going to go there anyway at some stage IMO but Brexit should be a major concern for everybody in Ireland and yesterdays budget was a masterclass in 'amateur hour economics' and parish pump politics at its very best.


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anonymous_joe wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
You think a 6 billion increase on 2018 spending isn't Charlie esque no?

Nearly 10%

At least McCreevy ran a surplus and put 40 billion in the pension fund to stop us turning into a full blown Angola in 2008

Whatever happened to that pension fund?

This government has turned into a joke, you're not wrong there, but it could be so much worse. I think this is currently the least awful option.



I just explained what happened to it

It kept the lights on


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How the hell have the Tories come out of eight years of Austerity with the national debt having more than doubled? Are their politicians even worse than ours?


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How the hell have the Tories come out of eight years of Austerity with the national debt having more than doubled? Are their politicians even worse than ours?


And it's really only starting for them....they have no idea of the potential economic catastrophe coming toward them.
Do you remember the langer called Silver who used post here... As a former primary bond trader, I was blue in the face trying to explain QE to him....Like everything in life, there is no such thing as a free lunch.


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CM11 wrote:
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CM11 wrote:
What I find remarkable and something I hadn't fully realised is that this projected expenditure is double the projected expenditure for 2005 (with this year being double 2004).

We all seemed to think we were rich back in 2005 so I vote we go back to whatever we were doing then and use the rest to pay off the debt.

PS salaries and pensions and Health.


Yup.

Health is just ridiculous. Gone from something like 4bn in 2000 to, what is it now? 17bn?

Pensions have jumped by about a billion in only 5-6 years.


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The elephant in the room is that income taxes have gone from being 28% of total government receipts in 2008, to over 40% now.

That in itself wouldn't be a huge issue given that unemployment has fallen from 15% to 5% in the period ...... the problem however is that the growing income tax burden is falling on the shoulders of a very small section of the working population

The government should have frozen spending IMO ... but they didn't
Given that they had to, from a political pressure POV spend spend spend, they should have at least matched spending by revenue raising elsewhere .... but they didn't
Instead of raising revenue from just VAT on tourism, they should have broadened the tax base ..... but they didn't

The reason why the government got walked into the three mistakes above, is because the taxpayers of Ireland are completely unrepresented in Dail Eireann

Any BS from FF about them being the fiscally prudent answer is frankly laughable ....

Dara Calleary was on Newstalk earlier was telling everyone that FF ensured the 'progressive and fair' 2:1 ratio of spending to tax cuts during the S&C period ..... unlike FG/Labour which previously operated on a 1:1 basis.

When it was pointed out to him that the ratio of spending to tax cuts in this years budget was closer to 18:1, he hilariously told listeners ...."Well that just shows how effective we were in terms of reigning in the worst excesses of FG"

you couldn't make this shite up


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So what do you propose?

Increasing Corp tax?

Increasing property tax?

Water charges?


Saying you should broaden the tax base is all well and good but the pay for nothing get everything own this country


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I’m not willing to pay any more Tax. Full stop.


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
I’m not willing to pay any more Tax. Full stop.


Going to stop eating in restaurants and staying in Irish hotels, then?


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CM11 wrote:
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I’m not willing to pay any more Tax. Full stop.


Going to stop eating in restaurants and staying in Irish hotels, then?


No, go back to the “old” ways of doing things.


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nardol wrote:
So what do you propose?

Increasing Corp tax?

Increasing property tax?

Water charges?


Saying you should broaden the tax base is all well and good but the pay for nothing get everything own this country

On the revenue side, our tax base is far too narrow.

We need water charges, a property tax that includes consideration of size as well as location(value), plus a serious CBA of the very many tax incentive schemes that are out there.

On the spending side we need to control the health spend, and the rate of increase in the PS pensions scheme.

Any political party that csan pull that off will have done the nation a world of good.


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camroc1 wrote:
nardol wrote:
So what do you propose?

Increasing Corp tax?

Increasing property tax?

Water charges?


Saying you should broaden the tax base is all well and good but the pay for nothing get everything own this country

On the revenue side, our tax base is far too narrow.

We need water charges, a property tax that includes consideration of size as well as location(value), plus a serious CBA of the very many tax incentive schemes that are out there.

On the spending side we need to control the health spend, and the rate of increase in the PS pensions scheme.

Any political party that csan pull that off will have done the nation a world of good.


The last entity in Ireland that could do that was the church. Even Our worst recession ever was unable to tackle the civil service.

Im more and more convinced large chunks of the civil service need to be privatised because no political entity is able to stand up to the only union in ireland..... and that hurts me because i know privatisation takes things too far when you look at US health care, prison service etc.


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He also said he had been unable to get access to the original tender documents for the outsoucing of smear test analysis to US labs. The committee heard these were shredded by the HSE after 10 years. Dr Scally said he could not get these documents because “in an ususual exhibition of efficiency they were shredded in keeping with the policy to shred things after 10 years. In document management that’s about the only example of efficiency I came across but we will be hunting for those contracts and tenders from the organisations that submitted them”.


:lol:

Not suspect at all!


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
I’m not willing to pay any more Tax. Full stop.


+1 we got promised they would get rid of the USC


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nardol wrote:
So what do you propose?

Increasing Corp tax?

Increasing property tax?

Water charges?


Saying you should broaden the tax base is all well and good but the pay for nothing get everything own this country


maybe we could start ramming the "nordic model" back down the throats of the left wing media and point out to them that in Nordic countries, the low paid (and social welfare recipients) are in the tax net ...... unlike about a million f**king earners in Ireland

1,000,000 x €2,000 per annum tax (on average) = €2 billion

€2,000 tax on incomes below €34k is a tax rate of approx 6% ...... hardly too much to ask of people?


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Am I missing something? Someone on 35k pays about 6k tax.


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Some hilarious and cringey stuff from the assorted group of chancers and spoofers here.


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