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Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:27 am
by nardol
Didn't our wonderful judiciary not blast a hole in direct provisions recently?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:33 am
by Mullet 2
Nah still on the go.

They bizarrely decided that they have a right to work.

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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:56 am
by Boxcar Ira
alliswell wrote:
Boxcar Ira wrote:I'm only half following the Brexit parliament debacle. But does anyone else feel that Shinners are getting an easy ride from the media in relation to their absenteeism?

I'd be f**king raging if they were meant to be representing me during the borders biggest crisis and they were sitting on their holes. They could at least significantly reduce the DUPs influence
To be fair to them it's a totally consistent position. The crazy thing to do would be to vote for an abstentionist party and expect them to do otherwise.
I know they'd pull the manifesto out and their voters are obviously well aware of this. But I'd still be hammering them if I was SDLP / FF.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:07 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
Mullet 2 wrote:Nah still on the go.

They bizarrely decided that they have a right to work.
yeah, we want poor paddy in Boston to get a green card 'cause he's been working there illegally for 20 years paying tax but some poor Cnut with IT skills in short supply may be bizarrely entitled to work in Ireland.....Ireland was only 1 of 2 countries in Europe that didn't allow this until last year.....dont worry mr blue shirt, they allow them to work but make it so restrictive that they ensure that they keep them in direct provision long enough to decide that they'll return home and take their chances against Al Quaeda

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:09 pm
by Mullet 2
ticketlessinseattle wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Nah still on the go.

They bizarrely decided that they have a right to work.
yeah, we want poor paddy in Boston to get a green card 'cause he's been working there illegally for 20 years paying tax but some poor Cnut with IT skills in short supply may be bizarrely entitled to work in Ireland.....Ireland was only 1 of 2 countries in Europe that didn't allow this until last year.....dont worry mr blue shirt, they allow them to work but make it so restrictive that they ensure that they keep them in direct provision long enough to decide that they'll return home and take their chances against Al Quaeda

Who says I want Irish illegals getting working rights either? sweet attempted strawman :thumbup:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:19 pm
by lorcanoworms
camroc1 wrote:A new report from the Dublin Region Homeless Executive has a breakdown of those that presented as homeless in the last year : 21% from outside the EU, 12% from the EU, and 67% Irish. Regarding those from outside the EU many are in Ireland illegally and/or claiming refugee status.

The fact that more than a third of those presenting as homeless are not Irish is not mentioned very often by the professional "homeless" industry and associated politicians. It brings into question whether Ireland is seen as a soft touch in welfare terms internationally, and also the morality of spending a third of the available budget on non-Irish as opposed to sorting out Irish citizens first.

I find the 21% figure very high indeed for such a small country, and would love to know the original country of origin for the 12% of EU origin, as I'm sure most of us could hazard a guess as to where the majority of them are from.

I know this is skirting racial/sectarian themes but surely our SW should be aimed at Irish people (and I include those working in Ireland in that), rather than those who choose to pitch up on our shores because we're seen as an international soft touch ?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0331/10397 ... s-ireland/
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We just sold a house just outside a little Kildare village, the council are buying up the 4 beds and putting Roma in them.
The smallest family is a woman with 6 kids.
Early days yet but none of them in school so far.
There was already a large group of unemployed Eastern Europeans in the village.
The guy buying the house is Romanian and is going to commute about 36 miles to work.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:23 pm
by camroc1
ticketlessinseattle wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Nah still on the go.

They bizarrely decided that they have a right to work.
yeah, we want poor paddy in Boston to get a green card 'cause he's been working there illegally for 20 years paying tax but some poor Cnut with IT skills in short supply may be bizarrely entitled to work in Ireland.....Ireland was only 1 of 2 countries in Europe that didn't allow this until last year.....dont worry mr blue shirt, they allow them to work but make it so restrictive that they ensure that they keep them in direct provision long enough to decide that they'll return home and take their chances against Al Quaeda
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Try approaching the authorities in the US for a free house for you and your family if you're illegal in the states.

It would be a frogmarch down to the local clink and the first plane home.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:28 pm
by lorcanoworms
Lads the previous tenant burnt the chimney in the house I just mentioned.
We have Landlord insurance and they want 3 quotes but all the contractors want to charge for this and take it as a deposit.
I don't have this issue in Dublin is this normal elsewhere?
The new owner is happy we are fixing it.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:33 pm
by goose81
lorcanoworms wrote:Lads the previous tenant burnt the chimney in the house I just mentioned.
We have Landlord insurance and they want 3 quotes but all the contractors want to charge for this and take it as a deposit.
I don't have this issue in Dublin is this normal elsewhere?
The new owner is happy we are fixing it.
Not remotely normal, its a quote.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:42 pm
by redderneck
Charging for a quote? Fuggit. We're back up our own arses again.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:06 pm
by nardol
ticketlessinseattle wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Nah still on the go.

They bizarrely decided that they have a right to work.
yeah, we want poor paddy in Boston to get a green card 'cause he's been working there illegally for 20 years paying tax but some poor Cnut with IT skills in short supply may be bizarrely entitled to work in Ireland.....Ireland was only 1 of 2 countries in Europe that didn't allow this until last year.....dont worry mr blue shirt, they allow them to work but make it so restrictive that they ensure that they keep them in direct provision long enough to decide that they'll return home and take their chances against Al Quaeda
Ehh fudge paddy in Boston.... Get the f out if he is illegal.


Edit
Mullet beat me to it

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:07 pm
by CM11
redderneck wrote:Charging for a quote? Fuggit. We're back up our own arses again.
Probably a combination of the location and the size of the job.

Basically a feck off.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:11 pm
by lorcanoworms
Thanks lads, the assessor has finally got his arse in traction stepped in and one quote is fine, getting a free quote from a builder in Dublin.
Proper gent did a lot of work for me but a long time ago.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:30 pm
by Bullettyme
Some sweet assumptions there.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:35 pm
by fishfoodie
The Wanker who objected the Apple DC in Athenry, is now objecting to another DC down in Wickla' :frown:

When are we going to fix our fuckawful Planning Laws ??

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:19 pm
by rfurlong
fishfoodie wrote:The Wanker who objected the Apple DC in Athenry, is now objecting to another DC down in Wickla' :frown:

When are we going to fix our fuckawful Planning Laws ??
Unfortunately his vexatious actions are effecting Ireland's reputation abroad for this kind of investment ....... personally, I'd like to see CAB involved re: the €22m owed and the transfer of the lands.

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/news ... -land-row/

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/2 ... ng_appeal/

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:55 pm
by iarmhiman
I doubt those non EU in emergency accommodation are asylum seekers or they would be in direct provision.

I reckon they're overstayers and undocumented non EU citizens.

The EU citizens are Poles and Lithuanians

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:56 pm
by anonymous_joe
fishfoodie wrote:The Wanker who objected the Apple DC in Athenry, is now objecting to another DC down in Wickla' :frown:

When are we going to fix our fuckawful Planning Laws ??
The laws aren't the issue, it's how long it takes for a case to be heard.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:14 pm
by Leinsterman
There's an English homeless guy on Baggot Street. Do we classify him EU or non-EU?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:24 pm
by camroc1
Leinsterman wrote:There's an English homeless guy on Baggot Street. Do we classify him EU or non-EU?
We'll know around 8 O' Clock !

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:58 pm
by HighKingLeinster
Leinsterman wrote:There's an English homeless guy on Baggot Street. Do we classify him EU or non-EU?
Who cares. Just beat him to death with his own shoes and be done with it

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:24 pm
by lorcanoworms
I used to think people who fall for fake sob stories wanted to feel better about themselves, but it's actually them wanting to feel better than everybody else.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:46 pm
by fishfoodie
anonymous_joe wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:The Wanker who objected the Apple DC in Athenry, is now objecting to another DC down in Wickla' :frown:

When are we going to fix our fuckawful Planning Laws ??
The laws aren't the issue, it's how long it takes for a case to be heard.
The time to process is certainly a significant issue; but if anyone can object to anything, no matter whether they've a valid interest, or not; that's a problem of law.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:42 am
by camroc1
fishfoodie wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:The Wanker who objected the Apple DC in Athenry, is now objecting to another DC down in Wickla' :frown:

When are we going to fix our fuckawful Planning Laws ??
The laws aren't the issue, it's how long it takes for a case to be heard.
The time to process is certainly a significant issue; but if anyone can object to anything, no matter whether they've a valid interest, or not; that's a problem of law.
There needs to be a filter before ABP.

There also needs to be a legislative change to have the system in favour of development, in accordance with the re;ative development plan, rather than to default against it, for what are sometimes very trivial reasons.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:45 am
by camroc1
So what's the betting now ? Hard Brexit ? or the WA ?

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:46 am
by Duff Paddy
What do people think about SF’s vulture fund bill? Clearly it’s bad for the Irish banking sector but they will get a lot of support for it. I have some sympathy for the logic behind it - people entered into a contract with their bank and not with a third party. That said, defaulting means they breached the contract first. It all comes down to the difficult Irish banks have in foreclosing on their security “the family home”. Until we address that then these issues are always going to arise.

As an aside the new term cuckoo fund is a hilariously bad analogy - somebody saw the success that the scary term vulture fund had and tried to grab a slice of the action

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:08 am
by Uncle Fester
Duff Paddy wrote:What do people think about SF’s vulture fund bill? Clearly it’s bad for the Irish banking sector but they will get a lot of support for it. I have some sympathy for the logic behind it - people entered into a contract with their bank and not with a third party. That said, defaulting means they breached the contract first. It all comes down to the difficult Irish banks have in foreclosing on their security “the family home”. Until we address that then these issues are always going to arise.

As an aside the new term cuckoo fund is a hilariously bad analogy - somebody saw the success that the scary term vulture fund had and tried to grab a slice of the action
Pay what you owe or GTFO

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:31 am
by The Sun God
Leinsterman wrote:They're in a win-win situation whatever the outcome though.
Only because the Deeply Unpleasant Protestants are fúcking up so royally.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:45 am
by MunsterMan!!!!!
The Sun God wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:They're in a win-win situation whatever the outcome though.
Only because the Deeply Unpleasant Protestants are fúcking up so royally.

I wouldn't be 100% sure SF are in a win-win, they might be if they weren't abstaining. Alot of people aren't a slave to a principal esp when it really impacts on the day-to-day stuff, which Brexit has, I think some people see SF are political party that will never budge from their position and poor negotiators, an important treat in a country that doesn't have a reputation for elect single party governments.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:00 am
by Mullet 2
Duff Paddy wrote:What do people think about SF’s vulture fund bill? Clearly it’s bad for the Irish banking sector but they will get a lot of support for it. I have some sympathy for the logic behind it - people entered into a contract with their bank and not with a third party. That said, defaulting means they breached the contract first. It all comes down to the difficult Irish banks have in foreclosing on their security “the family home”. Until we address that then these issues are always going to arise.

As an aside the new term cuckoo fund is a hilariously bad analogy - somebody saw the success that the scary term vulture fund had and tried to grab a slice of the action

I have no sympathy with the Bill

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:01 am
by camroc1
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:
The Sun God wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:They're in a win-win situation whatever the outcome though.
Only because the Deeply Unpleasant Protestants are fúcking up so royally.

I wouldn't be 100% sure SF are in a win-win, they might be if they weren't abstaining. Alot of people aren't a slave to a principal esp when it really impacts on the day-to-day stuff, which Brexit has, I think some people see SF are political party that will never budge from their position and poor negotiators, an important treat in a country that doesn't have a reputation for elect single party governments.
AS I said on the Brexit thread, both of them are enabled in their university level politics by having their economy subsidised to the tune of 20 - 30% per annum. Take even some of that subsidy away and watch the politics change.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:31 am
by CM11
The sad thing is that Brexit is ultimately bad in any shape for NI and they have enough MPs to put an end to it (I think) but any chance of them working together for the good of their constituents is fantasy.

SF, in particular, but really both sides need to stop thinking the most important thing is to protect an archaic ideal and start representing the voters.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:31 am
by The Sun God
Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:What do people think about SF’s vulture fund bill? Clearly it’s bad for the Irish banking sector but they will get a lot of support for it. I have some sympathy for the logic behind it - people entered into a contract with their bank and not with a third party. That said, defaulting means they breached the contract first. It all comes down to the difficult Irish banks have in foreclosing on their security “the family home”. Until we address that then these issues are always going to arise.

As an aside the new term cuckoo fund is a hilariously bad analogy - somebody saw the success that the scary term vulture fund had and tried to grab a slice of the action

I have no sympathy with the Bill
That SF bill has no chance of passing. It would be shot down in the ECJ.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:35 am
by Mullet 2
My lads will probably vote for it.

Bunch of dopes.

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:43 am
by anonymous_joe
Duff Paddy wrote:What do people think about SF’s vulture fund bill? Clearly it’s bad for the Irish banking sector but they will get a lot of support for it. I have some sympathy for the logic behind it - people entered into a contract with their bank and not with a third party. That said, defaulting means they breached the contract first. It all comes down to the difficult Irish banks have in foreclosing on their security “the family home”. Until we address that then these issues are always going to arise.

As an aside the new term cuckoo fund is a hilariously bad analogy - somebody saw the success that the scary term vulture fund had and tried to grab a slice of the action
No they didn't.

How can the bank be blamed for them not reading the mortgage?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:30 am
by Blackrock Bullet
Quinn family have judgements of €82m against them each.

:lol:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:43 am
by Duff Paddy
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:44 am
by Duff Paddy
anonymous_joe wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:What do people think about SF’s vulture fund bill? Clearly it’s bad for the Irish banking sector but they will get a lot of support for it. I have some sympathy for the logic behind it - people entered into a contract with their bank and not with a third party. That said, defaulting means they breached the contract first. It all comes down to the difficult Irish banks have in foreclosing on their security “the family home”. Until we address that then these issues are always going to arise.

As an aside the new term cuckoo fund is a hilariously bad analogy - somebody saw the success that the scary term vulture fund had and tried to grab a slice of the action
No they didn't.

How can the bank be blamed for them not reading the mortgage?
That’s what they pay their solicitor for. Should they sue?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:29 pm
by Mullet 2
Great to see that after years and years pushing it that Limerick, Cork and Waterford (who had next to no campaign) will get to vote on an elected Mayor first. x(

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:33 pm
by anonymous_joe
Duff Paddy wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:What do people think about SF’s vulture fund bill? Clearly it’s bad for the Irish banking sector but they will get a lot of support for it. I have some sympathy for the logic behind it - people entered into a contract with their bank and not with a third party. That said, defaulting means they breached the contract first. It all comes down to the difficult Irish banks have in foreclosing on their security “the family home”. Until we address that then these issues are always going to arise.

As an aside the new term cuckoo fund is a hilariously bad analogy - somebody saw the success that the scary term vulture fund had and tried to grab a slice of the action
No they didn't.

How can the bank be blamed for them not reading the mortgage?
That’s what they pay their solicitor for. Should they sue?
For what? What damage have they suffered?