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Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:05 am
by Blackrock Bullet
camroc1 wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3929941

Wasn't posted last week. DCC trying to reign in Murphy lifting the height caps.

Was around Leopardstown and Sandyford at the weekend. How have Dún Laoghaire Rathdown County Council managed to do such a better job than Dublin City Council (with the Docklands) with the area in terms of density?
An unholy alliance of Crank and the IT nimby team, the greens, and the lefties who believe that high rise is capitalism gone mad, and that the workers are entitled to live in state supplied, heavily subsudised 2-storey semi d houses with front and back gardens in the centre of Dublin.

Incidentally I believe that legally Murphys national guidelines trump anything the council does, ie the courts will throw out any area plan that ignores, or tries to restrict, the national guidelines.

And it will be tested in court as Ronan, in particular, appears up for the fight.
There's also the ones in there who seem to be scared of anything "out there" as they don't want to be blamed for a Hawkins House.

Like the Bolands Mills development. It will still look fantastic but DCC made them change it from this;

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To this;
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All because the colour was a bit out there, have to mute it a bit down to the side.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:17 am
by camroc1
Whilst I take your point, and have myself long railed against Corpo planners pretending that they're Architects, the Bolands Quay decision is far from the worst, and the panels as built are actually very good looking.

https://imgur.com/YJYI5Fv

Anyhoo was away last week when the DUB passenger figures for May were released.

Passenger numbers for May up 4% yoy, and Jan to May numbers up 7% yoy.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-ne ... in-airport

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:18 am
by danthefan
The first picture is far more sympathetic to the existing buildings :?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:20 am
by Blackrock Bullet
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It doesn't look bad but in the grey skies we get, it won't come out the best. Hopefully the inner wall colour brightens it up a bit. Overall it is going to be a great development when finished. The type of height that should be always mandatory looking over GCD.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:25 am
by rfurlong
ER - that garden wall is min €12-14k I reckon, plastered and capped (excl. tree removal - another €4k I'd say)

worth it in the long run .... good walls make good neighbours etc

I had an accountant on the other side of one of my boundaries objecting to my planning application. I actually redrew the line of the new boundary wall a little in his favour, just to get him to pony up half the cost of building it ..... I haven't clapped eyes on him since the wall went up.

re: the sex swing, the rocking can gain momentum fairly rapidly and cause the swing set to tip over. Setting the poles in concrete is a prerequisite to avoid injury :nod:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:48 am
by camroc1
Demolitions starting on Ronans Tara Street development.

https://imgur.com/a/P7T3eV7

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:58 am
by danthefan
camroc1 wrote:Demolitions starting on Ronans Tara Street development.

https://imgur.com/a/P7T3eV7
Excellent. Can you imagine there are fudge wits who would have left it as it was over this development. Just look at it in this photo.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:01 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
danthefan wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Demolitions starting on Ronans Tara Street development.

https://imgur.com/a/P7T3eV7
Excellent. Can you imagine there are fudge wits who would have left it as it was over this development. Just look at it in this photo.
But look at the HUMAN SCALE, the CHARACTER of it..

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:12 pm
by MunsterMan!!!!!
Cisto will not be impressed at all.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:32 pm
by Nolanator
Why has my contactless stopped working? RFID chip fooked?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:20 pm
by alliswell
camroc1 wrote:Demolitions starting on Ronans Tara Street development.

https://imgur.com/a/P7T3eV7
What's getting knocked exactly? Which buildings like?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:29 pm
by camroc1
alliswell wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Demolitions starting on Ronans Tara Street development.

https://imgur.com/a/P7T3eV7
What's getting knocked exactly? Which buildings like?
The pub is all that's remaining in the corner block from Tara Street Station to the newish office building beside the IT offices. That newish building will be demoloshed as part of the Metro plams to forma new street level concourse between the metro and Tara Street DART station.

https://imgur.com/a/hQqR9kF

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:57 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
Yeah that building immediately behind it gone. As of yet I haven't seen any design which integrates what the Metro and Ronan's tower will look like together. The station revamp is obviously a few years away.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:26 pm
by camroc1
Blackrock Bullet wrote:Yeah that building immediately behind it gone. As of yet I haven't seen any design which integrates what the Metro and Ronan's tower will look like together. The station revamp is obviously a few years away.
https://imgur.com/a/mK5CliL

The megtro station is under the concourse to the right of the Ronan Tower, with the pedestrian access to the DART station from the Metro through the ground floor of the Ronan Building.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:43 pm
by The Sun God
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 46224.html

Maybe someone should have a word in her shell-like and tell her to stop riding for a while....!! FFS.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:02 pm
by camroc1
The Sun God wrote:https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 46224.html

Maybe someone should have a word in her shell-like and tell her to stop riding for a while....!! FFS.
It's near her Mam, and she cleaned it so therefore deserves it !

We have 4.5% unemployment. Why isn't her partner working ?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:10 pm
by The Sun God
camroc1 wrote:
The Sun God wrote:https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/c ... 46224.html

Maybe someone should have a word in her shell-like and tell her to stop riding for a while....!! FFS.
It's near her Mam, and she cleaned it so therefore deserves it !

We have 4.5% unemployment. Why isn't her partner working ?
Because he is most likely a lazy plum too interested in banging his 21 year old, soon to be mother of 3..!!
Gotta say that we encourage them to start young in Ireland....the hand goes into the State pocket and never really comes back out.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:44 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
camroc1 wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:Yeah that building immediately behind it gone. As of yet I haven't seen any design which integrates what the Metro and Ronan's tower will look like together. The station revamp is obviously a few years away.
https://imgur.com/a/mK5CliL

The megtro station is under the concourse to the right of the Ronan Tower, with the pedestrian access to the DART station from the Metro through the ground floor of the Ronan Building.
I know that plan, it isn't a render and it doesn't have the tower included, that's what I'd like to see. There isn't one as ML is only being finalised and JR's tower was changed recently.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:11 pm
by nardol
How many rooms does gran have available?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:25 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
How many children before they give in and give them their free and deserved forever home?

Love these articles which provide sweet fa infortmation beyond being plain advocacy for the subjects of the article.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:29 pm
by themaddog
EverReady wrote:It's leylandi alright and we will do the clear. Spicy enough though we reckon. Could be cool though if we get the neighbours in on it. Going to have seatings areas and hammacls and pergolas blah blah. Thanks for the advice lads
I've 220m of the fúcking things. Will you clear mine when you're at it?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:56 pm
by alliswell
camroc1 wrote:
alliswell wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Demolitions starting on Ronans Tara Street development.

https://imgur.com/a/P7T3eV7
What's getting knocked exactly? Which buildings like?
The pub is all that's remaining in the corner block from Tara Street Station to the newish office building beside the IT offices. That newish building will be demoloshed as part of the Metro plams to forma new street level concourse between the metro and Tara Street DART station.

https://imgur.com/a/hQqR9kF
That's all I was concerned about. :thumbup:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:37 pm
by Bowens
paddyor wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Any anecdotal stuff I've seen about it is in pain management for chronic conditions, rather than as an actual cure for the condition itself.

That said, there are a ridiculous number of products with CBD oil being pushed. I don't think there's much regulation around it yet. Read somewhere. Very vague as to whether most of the application/delivery mechanisms even work.
This guy made a fortune in the 20s sticking goat balls in people as a kind of viagra. Early version Alex Jones
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0vokz4SHGJzCPPvQvr8oaf

This fella started the essential oils craze. Both of them are pretend doctors.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0b6dz1CndHVVsMoYGKRBD9

I bought CBD gum this weekend as it happens because I saw the USPGA are banning it on foot of concerns it might be PE and suspicion that Woods and Mickelson are taking it. I'm sitting exams and haven't noticed any change in mood or improvement in cognitive ability.
From a few days ago, this made me laugh: https://babylonbee.com/news/new-version ... -procedure

It’s all obviously a huge scam and I feel sorry for the people buying it, but not the people selling it.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:36 pm
by Uncle Fester
themaddog wrote:
EverReady wrote:It's leylandi alright and we will do the clear. Spicy enough though we reckon. Could be cool though if we get the neighbours in on it. Going to have seatings areas and hammacls and pergolas blah blah. Thanks for the advice lads
I've 220m of the fúcking things. Will you clear mine when you're at it?
Get a chainsaw and start hacking away at them.
They make great firewood.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:46 pm
by Uncle Fester
In other news, the Russians are playing silly buggers up north.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3935137

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:19 am
by Nolanator
Uncle Fester wrote:In other news, the Russians are playing silly buggers up north.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3935137
Pretty easy target, you'd have thought. Shouldn't take too much to wind up some people in either community and they'll just do the rest off their own bat.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:33 am
by Duff Paddy
Nolanator wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:In other news, the Russians are playing silly buggers up north.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3935137
Pretty easy target, you'd have thought. Shouldn't take too much to wind up some people in either community and they'll just do the rest off their own bat.
Are you saying that nordies are a bit thick

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:36 am
by normilet
Time for the annual car insurance hunt. Any particular provider jumping out recently as not being totally sh*t?

Currently with the AA, fully comprehensive, able to drive any other car, which suits me. They sent a renewal quote which was exactly 11 cent cheaper than last year, no accidents, no penalty points, no claims etc.

Edit: Right, just tried liberty insurance and for almost exactly the same cover, its half the price. Literally from about €1,000 to just over €540. Double checked the details I put in were correct, all fine. Something screwy there, can't be that random.

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Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:26 am
by Nolanator
Duff Paddy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:In other news, the Russians are playing silly buggers up north.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3935137
Pretty easy target, you'd have thought. Shouldn't take too much to wind up some people in either community and they'll just do the rest off their own bat.
Are you saying that nordies are a bit thick
No thicker than people who believe that Trump is non-interventionist or that Brexit will allow the British people to take back control and solve the social ills in their country or that having the Healy-Raes in the Dáil is good for national policy. There are thick people everywhere.

There's probably more potential for emotional arguments in NI society than in other similar countries. People don't need to be convinced of stuff by a longer campaign of constant exposure to contrarian viewpoints etc. There's plenty of petrol already there, the shit stirrers just need to flick in the occasional match.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:49 am
by ticketlessinseattle
Uncle Fester wrote:
themaddog wrote:
EverReady wrote:It's leylandi alright and we will do the clear. Spicy enough though we reckon. Could be cool though if we get the neighbours in on it. Going to have seatings areas and hammacls and pergolas blah blah. Thanks for the advice lads
I've 220m of the fúcking things. Will you clear mine when you're at it?
Get a chainsaw and start hacking away at them.
They make great firewood.
on this topic - I moved into our gaff last year - there's a dividing wall with our neighbours that will probably fall down soon. They've got a huge tree by the wall that has branches coming into our back garden and very close to windows in upstairs bedroom. Personally I'm not too bothered but missus next door has brought up with my missus about rebuilding the wall. We haven't discussed it with them but it'll come up at some point, I wouldn't put anything towards the costs until they did something about the tree - the roots of which are probably causing the wall to resemble a Kerry full back line (for Zappa if he's about)

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:00 pm
by camroc1
ticketlessinseattle wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
themaddog wrote:
EverReady wrote:It's leylandi alright and we will do the clear. Spicy enough though we reckon. Could be cool though if we get the neighbours in on it. Going to have seatings areas and hammacls and pergolas blah blah. Thanks for the advice lads
I've 220m of the fúcking things. Will you clear mine when you're at it?
Get a chainsaw and start hacking away at them.
They make great firewood.
on this topic - I moved into our gaff last year - there's a dividing wall with our neighbours that will probably fall down soon. They've got a huge tree by the wall that has branches coming into our back garden and very close to windows in upstairs bedroom. Personally I'm not too bothered but missus next door has brought up with my missus about rebuilding the wall. We haven't discussed it with them but it'll come up at some point, I wouldn't put anything towards the costs until they did something about the tree - the roots of which are probably causing the wall to resemble a Kerry full back line (for Zappa if he's about)
You are legally allowed to cut off any branches growing over/into your garden, provided you give your neighbour the branches (his property).

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:35 pm
by Leinsterman
normilet wrote:Time for the annual car insurance hunt. Any particular provider jumping out recently as not being totally sh*t?

Currently with the AA, fully comprehensive, able to drive any other car, which suits me. They sent a renewal quote which was exactly 11 cent cheaper than last year, no accidents, no penalty points, no claims etc.

Edit: Right, just tried liberty insurance and for almost exactly the same cover, its half the price. Literally from about €1,000 to just over €540. Double checked the details I put in were correct, all fine. Something screwy there, can't be that random.

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I'm with 123. Worked out cheaper than Liberty for me by a couple of hundred euro.
It's not random but a lot is based on their risk profile and the cohorts of customers they want on their books.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:24 pm
by normilet
Leinsterman wrote:
normilet wrote:Time for the annual car insurance hunt. Any particular provider jumping out recently as not being totally sh*t?

Currently with the AA, fully comprehensive, able to drive any other car, which suits me. They sent a renewal quote which was exactly 11 cent cheaper than last year, no accidents, no penalty points, no claims etc.

Edit: Right, just tried liberty insurance and for almost exactly the same cover, its half the price. Literally from about €1,000 to just over €550. Double checked the details I put in were correct, all fine. Something screwy there, can't be that random.

Image
I'm with 123. Worked out cheaper than Liberty for me by a couple of hundred euro.
It's not random but a lot is based on their risk profile and the cohorts of customers they want on their books.
Talked to AA, got it down to €820 from €1,000 for no real reason. Just copped that Liberty are having a flash sale this week which would explain why they're in the €550 range. Excellent.

Anyone else currently renewing should have a look.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:44 pm
by Leinsterman
normilet wrote: Talked to AA, got it down to €820 from €1,000 for no real reason. Just copped that Liberty are having a flash sale this week which would explain why they're in the €550 range. Excellent.

Anyone else currently renewing should have a look.
The reason they dropped it is because you rang them. They're still making margin.
Companies bank on people accepting the first price offered. You can be sure they're still making margin, even at the reduced price.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:37 pm
by iarmhiman
Read this on the torygraph today.

Could this happen? It would be quite a bitter pill to swallow to keep an open border:
The Irish backstop was designed jointly by the EU and the Irish and British governments to protect against the return of an Irish border, but if it backfires by triggering a ‘no deal’ outcome, it will have become entirely self-defeating.

Because if ‘no deal’ becomes the default position of the British government, then Mr Varadkar can expect the choice to be framed between accepting the long-term risk of a ‘no deal’ - after a hunt for alternative arrangements fails or a putative time-limit expires - over the imminent chaos of a ‘no deal’ this year.

It is this trade-off that sees some EU member states speculating privately that Mr Varadkar might yet agree to a ‘time-limit’ to the backstop, as the pressure starts to bite in autumn. The Irish side remains adamant it will not budge.


Still, the EU are fully expecting Mr Johnson to put the heat on Mr Varadkar who - as his own central bank warned last week - faces a four percentage point drop in GDP in the first year of a ‘no deal’ and average incomes losses per head of Irish population estimated at €720 (£640) - seven times those of Germany.

The EU remains foursquare behind Dublin, but at the same time it is making very clear - as we report today - that in a ‘no deal’ it will expect Ireland to live up to its obligations as a member of the EU single market.

Mr Varadkar accepts these obligations, but in a ‘no deal’ is still presented with an invidious choice between erecting a trade border in Ireland, or diluting Irish single market status by accepting checks between Ireland and the Continent.

Mr Varadkar and the Commission prefer to skate over this hard choice, arguing instead that the British government must live up to the “letter and spirit” of the Good Friday Agreement and do what is necessary to avoid a land border.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:44 pm
by sewa
iarmhiman wrote:Read this on the torygraph today.

Could this happen? It would be quite a bitter pill to swallow to keep an open border:
The Irish backstop was designed jointly by the EU and the Irish and British governments to protect against the return of an Irish border, but if it backfires by triggering a ‘no deal’ outcome, it will have become entirely self-defeating.

Because if ‘no deal’ becomes the default position of the British government, then Mr Varadkar can expect the choice to be framed between accepting the long-term risk of a ‘no deal’ - after a hunt for alternative arrangements fails or a putative time-limit expires - over the imminent chaos of a ‘no deal’ this year.

It is this trade-off that sees some EU member states speculating privately that Mr Varadkar might yet agree to a ‘time-limit’ to the backstop, as the pressure starts to bite in autumn. The Irish side remains adamant it will not budge.


Still, the EU are fully expecting Mr Johnson to put the heat on Mr Varadkar who - as his own central bank warned last week - faces a four percentage point drop in GDP in the first year of a ‘no deal’ and average incomes losses per head of Irish population estimated at €720 (£640) - seven times those of Germany.

The EU remains foursquare behind Dublin, but at the same time it is making very clear - as we report today - that in a ‘no deal’ it will expect Ireland to live up to its obligations as a member of the EU single market.

Mr Varadkar accepts these obligations, but in a ‘no deal’ is still presented with an invidious choice between erecting a trade border in Ireland, or diluting Irish single market status by accepting checks between Ireland and the Continent.

Mr Varadkar and the Commission prefer to skate over this hard choice, arguing instead that the British government must live up to the “letter and spirit” of the Good Friday Agreement and do what is necessary to avoid a land border.
We are already after hiring the border staff, no border is a work of fiction unless the Brits accept the WA

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:46 pm
by iarmhiman
sewa wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:Read this on the torygraph today.

Could this happen? It would be quite a bitter pill to swallow to keep an open border:
The Irish backstop was designed jointly by the EU and the Irish and British governments to protect against the return of an Irish border, but if it backfires by triggering a ‘no deal’ outcome, it will have become entirely self-defeating.

Because if ‘no deal’ becomes the default position of the British government, then Mr Varadkar can expect the choice to be framed between accepting the long-term risk of a ‘no deal’ - after a hunt for alternative arrangements fails or a putative time-limit expires - over the imminent chaos of a ‘no deal’ this year.

It is this trade-off that sees some EU member states speculating privately that Mr Varadkar might yet agree to a ‘time-limit’ to the backstop, as the pressure starts to bite in autumn. The Irish side remains adamant it will not budge.


Still, the EU are fully expecting Mr Johnson to put the heat on Mr Varadkar who - as his own central bank warned last week - faces a four percentage point drop in GDP in the first year of a ‘no deal’ and average incomes losses per head of Irish population estimated at €720 (£640) - seven times those of Germany.

The EU remains foursquare behind Dublin, but at the same time it is making very clear - as we report today - that in a ‘no deal’ it will expect Ireland to live up to its obligations as a member of the EU single market.

Mr Varadkar accepts these obligations, but in a ‘no deal’ is still presented with an invidious choice between erecting a trade border in Ireland, or diluting Irish single market status by accepting checks between Ireland and the Continent.

Mr Varadkar and the Commission prefer to skate over this hard choice, arguing instead that the British government must live up to the “letter and spirit” of the Good Friday Agreement and do what is necessary to avoid a land border.
We are already after hiring the border staff, no border is a work of fiction unless the Brits accept the WA
For me if the choice is a border on the island or an open customs border to mainland Europe, it's the latter every time.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:50 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
iarmhiman wrote:
sewa wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:Read this on the torygraph today.

Could this happen? It would be quite a bitter pill to swallow to keep an open border:
The Irish backstop was designed jointly by the EU and the Irish and British governments to protect against the return of an Irish border, but if it backfires by triggering a ‘no deal’ outcome, it will have become entirely self-defeating.

Because if ‘no deal’ becomes the default position of the British government, then Mr Varadkar can expect the choice to be framed between accepting the long-term risk of a ‘no deal’ - after a hunt for alternative arrangements fails or a putative time-limit expires - over the imminent chaos of a ‘no deal’ this year.

It is this trade-off that sees some EU member states speculating privately that Mr Varadkar might yet agree to a ‘time-limit’ to the backstop, as the pressure starts to bite in autumn. The Irish side remains adamant it will not budge.


Still, the EU are fully expecting Mr Johnson to put the heat on Mr Varadkar who - as his own central bank warned last week - faces a four percentage point drop in GDP in the first year of a ‘no deal’ and average incomes losses per head of Irish population estimated at €720 (£640) - seven times those of Germany.

The EU remains foursquare behind Dublin, but at the same time it is making very clear - as we report today - that in a ‘no deal’ it will expect Ireland to live up to its obligations as a member of the EU single market.

Mr Varadkar accepts these obligations, but in a ‘no deal’ is still presented with an invidious choice between erecting a trade border in Ireland, or diluting Irish single market status by accepting checks between Ireland and the Continent.

Mr Varadkar and the Commission prefer to skate over this hard choice, arguing instead that the British government must live up to the “letter and spirit” of the Good Friday Agreement and do what is necessary to avoid a land border.
We are already after hiring the border staff, no border is a work of fiction unless the Brits accept the WA
For me if the choice is a border on the island or an open customs border to mainland Europe, it's the latter every time.
give us back the €30BN/€60BN we paid to bail out the German/French etc bondholders and we'll build the best wall every made, believe me....

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:50 pm
by sewa
iarmhiman wrote:
sewa wrote:
We are already after hiring the border staff, no border is a work of fiction unless the Brits accept the WA
For me if the choice is a border on the island or an open customs border to mainland Europe, it's the latter every time.
The border will be on the island, they have left slip plenty of times that they are preparing for it. Putting a customs border between us and Europe is unworkable

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:51 pm
by Mullet 2
Very simple.

Make absolutely no effort to check goods leaving the Republic. Make every effort to check goods entering the Republic and choke the kip.