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Sprawl

Duff Paddy wrote:Sprawl

Won't disagree, but things are changing. Here's a photo of Grand Canal Docks about 20 years ago (1999) :

Love those old shots. Even then Dublin was a vast improvement compared to the beginning of the decade.

My daughter is looking to change networks. She is happy to go Sim only.

When I look at Switcher it seems that Lycamobile is by far the cheapest. As far as I can see it uses the 3 network but I don't know anybody who uses them. Anybody here got any experience of them?

This photo from a few weeks ago was cracking.



What they've done with the Exo and Capital Docks is a real shame, a proper viewing platform of Dublin would do very well. Crosbie's idea for Ringsend won't work...Tara Tower will be decent enough but hopefully if the City Block 9 tower goes up to 44 floors we get a proper viewing platform. The Guinness 360 view of Dublin is pretty crap, in the wrong part of Dublin for it.

Hideous lack of human scale. A massive sprawl of 2 storey buildings would look much nicer

Leinsterman wrote:Love those old shots. Even then Dublin was a vast improvement compared to the beginning of the decade.

Missed it but can only imagine how in bits Dublin was. Probably under invested in for the majority of the previous 150 years with a couple of wars thrown in. Seeing what 5 or so years of little investment post crash has done to parts of Dublin is unsettling.

Duff Paddy wrote:Hideous lack of human scale. A massive sprawl of 2 storey buildings would look much nicer

The big fight will be over the single/two storey cottages of East Wall, NorthWall, and Ringsend.

The developers will want to build 12 storey apartment blocks, and just watch Crank and IT argue that shit victorian cottages in the centre of Dublin are part of our heritage and need to be saved.

This argument will eventually also be had in the Liberties/Rialto/Dolphins Barn on the Southside, and also in the sprawl of similar muck in Arbour Hill/Stoneybatter on the northside.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Love those old shots. Even then Dublin was a vast improvement compared to the beginning of the decade.

Missed it but can only imagine how in bits Dublin was. Probably under invested in for the majority of the previous 150 years with a couple of wars thrown in. Seeing what 5 or so years of little investment post crash has done to parts of Dublin is unsettling.

The Corpo height restrictions will be overcome eventually.

Incidentally, the new ATC tower at the airport in my first photo, is currently the tallest building in the country at 87m, I believe !

camroc1 wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Love those old shots. Even then Dublin was a vast improvement compared to the beginning of the decade.

Missed it but can only imagine how in bits Dublin was. Probably under invested in for the majority of the previous 150 years with a couple of wars thrown in. Seeing what 5 or so years of little investment post crash has done to parts of Dublin is unsettling.

The Corpo height restrictions will be overcome eventually.

Incidentally, the new ATC tower at the airport in my first photo, is currently the tallest building in the country at 87m, I believe !

Whatever about height restrictions, day to day maintenance and capex noticeably went down around the place as we cut the arse out everything that wasn't day to day spending.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:This photo from a few weeks ago was cracking.



What they've done with the Exo and Capital Docks is a real shame, a proper viewing platform of Dublin would do very well. Crosbie's idea for Ringsend won't work...Tara Tower will be decent enough but hopefully if the City Block 9 tower goes up to 44 floors we get a proper viewing platform. The Guinness 360 view of Dublin is pretty crap, in the wrong part of Dublin for it.

Capital Docks has been very damaging for the case for height. It is fúcking awful and gets worse everytime I look at it.

The XO isn't bad it's just the wrong way around.

camroc1 wrote:Nice picture of progress on the North runway :



Also shows what a pretty city Dublin is, with the port in the mid range and Dun Laoghaire, Killiney Hill and Dalkey Island in the background.

I love the SW landing approach coming in over Ireland's Eye on a clear day when sitting at a portside window. Lovely view of the city and Dublin mountains.
When taking off SW and turning left to go to the UK, you can see north Wicklow really clearly. Class view when it's clear.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Love those old shots. Even then Dublin was a vast improvement compared to the beginning of the decade.

Missed it but can only imagine how in bits Dublin was. Probably under invested in for the majority of the previous 150 years with a couple of wars thrown in. Seeing what 5 or so years of little investment post crash has done to parts of Dublin is unsettling.

The Corpo height restrictions will be overcome eventually.

Incidentally, the new ATC tower at the airport in my first photo, is currently the tallest building in the country at 87m, I believe !

Whatever about height restrictions, day to day maintenance and capex noticeably went down around the place as we cut the arse out everything that wasn't day to day spending.

Anyone have any figures on how we spend our money? Like a capital expenditure vs salary split? Whats even normal in this regard in the west?

camroc1 wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Sprawl

Won't disagree, but things are changing. Here's a photo of Grand Canal Docks about 20 years ago (1999) :

I remember my dad taking me for a wander around that part of town around that time, or maybe a couple of years later. Hoarding up everywhere while the earthworks were taking place to decontaminate the soil.
Serious change in the last 20 years.

camroc1 wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Hideous lack of human scale. A massive sprawl of 2 storey buildings would look much nicer

The big fight will be over the single/two storey cottages of East Wall, NorthWall, and Ringsend.

The developers will want to build 12 storey apartment blocks, and just watch Crank and IT argue that shit victorian cottages in the centre of Dublin are part of our heritage and need to be saved.

This argument will eventually also be had in the Liberties/Rialto/Dolphins Barn on the Southside, and also in the sprawl of similar muck in Arbour Hill/Stoneybatter on the northside.

You're dreaming if you think those cottages are going anywhere, nor should they.

camroc1 wrote:Nice picture of progress on the North runway :



Also shows what a pretty city Dublin is, with the port in the mid range and Dun Laoghaire, Killiney Hill and Dalkey Island in the background.

It is a pretty city with Howth (visible from Crumlin/Drimnagh road surprisingly) and the parts you mention. I live in Clontarf and it's a very nice commute to and from until you get to fairview. Very pretty views out across the bay to Killiney and the mountains behind. This morning was particularly nice.

nardol wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Love those old shots. Even then Dublin was a vast improvement compared to the beginning of the decade.

Missed it but can only imagine how in bits Dublin was. Probably under invested in for the majority of the previous 150 years with a couple of wars thrown in. Seeing what 5 or so years of little investment post crash has done to parts of Dublin is unsettling.

The Corpo height restrictions will be overcome eventually.

Incidentally, the new ATC tower at the airport in my first photo, is currently the tallest building in the country at 87m, I believe !

Whatever about height restrictions, day to day maintenance and capex noticeably went down around the place as we cut the arse out everything that wasn't day to day spending.

Anyone have any figures on how we spend our money? Like a capital expenditure vs salary split? Whats even normal in this regard in the west?

DCC budget is like €1 billion. Nearly 80% is spent on payroll and housing - including about €150m for the homeless.

I quite like Fairview Strand to be honest

Bullettyme wrote:It is a pretty city with Howth (visible from Crumlin/Drimnagh road surprisingly) and the parts you mention. I live in Clontarf and it's a very nice commute to and from until you get to fairview. Very pretty views out across the bay to Killiney and the mountains behind. This morning was particularly nice.

Getting the DART southside when you pop out to the coast again between Sydney Parade and Booterstown is fantastic.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

nardol wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Missed it but can only imagine how in bits Dublin was. Probably under invested in for the majority of the previous 150 years with a couple of wars thrown in. Seeing what 5 or so years of little investment post crash has done to parts of Dublin is unsettling.

The Corpo height restrictions will be overcome eventually.

Incidentally, the new ATC tower at the airport in my first photo, is currently the tallest building in the country at 87m, I believe !

Whatever about height restrictions, day to day maintenance and capex noticeably went down around the place as we cut the arse out everything that wasn't day to day spending.

Anyone have any figures on how we spend our money? Like a capital expenditure vs salary split? Whats even normal in this regard in the west?

DCC budget is like €1 billion. Nearly 80% is spent on payroll and housing - including about €150m for the homeless.

And as they have no independant tax raising powers(ignoring commercial rates I grant you), they can't go to the market to borrow, or issue a bond, for Capex.

Mullet 2 wrote:I quite like Fairview Strand to be honest

It's not bad, just doesn't have the views of outer clontarf is what I mean.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Love those old shots. Even then Dublin was a vast improvement compared to the beginning of the decade.

Missed it but can only imagine how in bits Dublin was. Probably under invested in for the majority of the previous 150 years with a couple of wars thrown in. Seeing what 5 or so years of little investment post crash has done to parts of Dublin is unsettling.

Half of Pearse Street, Gardiner Street, Mountjoy Square was dilapidated and run down with loads of buildings being propped with timber supports.
It was an awfully grim city and the buildings were filthy from years of smog.

It’ll be great when everyone switches to electric cars too - better air and less noise in the city

They really need to pull the figure out with regards to planning and height. Cork has a 25 storey resi building being proposed for fast track planning - Dublin should have these in clusters.

For those interested in such thing, VARD Marine, who produced the designs for the Naval Services last two classes of OPV, the Beckett class, and the Róisín class, last month published a speculative design for an MPV/Frigatty/large boat type vessel, that so matches the spec for the proposed Irish MPV, you'd nearly think it was developed in conjunction with the naval service.

Details on the following links of the VARD 7 313 :

https://vardmarine.com/gallery/vard-7-313/

https://vardmarine.com/wp-content/uploa ... -7-313.pdf

Overall length 130m, breadth 24m, draft 5.4m
2 helicopter flight deck with hanger capacity for 4
2 RHIB + 2 Landing craft
470 lane metres RoRo(More than enough for all the MOWAGs the Army has)
Hospital capacity.

Rumham wrote:They really need to pull the figure out with regards to planning and height. Cork has a 25 storey resi building being proposed for fast track planning - Dublin should have these in clusters.

Ronan will get permission for his 40 odd floor residential unit, there is little that DCC can do to block it.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Rumham wrote:They really need to pull the figure out with regards to planning and height. Cork has a 25 storey resi building being proposed for fast track planning - Dublin should have these in clusters.

Ronan will get permission for his 40 odd floor residential unit, there is little that DCC can do to block it.

They'll (or ABP will) make something up, same as they did for Tara St. It'll be years before he gets permission if ever.

Needs more shock and awe

danthefan wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Rumham wrote:They really need to pull the figure out with regards to planning and height. Cork has a 25 storey resi building being proposed for fast track planning - Dublin should have these in clusters.

Ronan will get permission for his 40 odd floor residential unit, there is little that DCC can do to block it.

They'll (or ABP will) make something up, same as they did for Tara St. It'll be years before he gets permission if ever.

ABP are now more liberal, because Murphy lifted the caps.

DCC refused the tower a couple of times. Just remember that DCC had allowed for a 22 floor tower in their own Local Area Plan but then refused it with height the major reason. They are a shambles.

danthefan wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Rumham wrote:They really need to pull the figure out with regards to planning and height. Cork has a 25 storey resi building being proposed for fast track planning - Dublin should have these in clusters.

Ronan will get permission for his 40 odd floor residential unit, there is little that DCC can do to block it.

They'll (or ABP will) make something up, same as they did for Tara St. It'll be years before he gets permission if ever.

In his Tara STreet building, ABP have already determined that government policy regarding height trumps whatever the LA has in an LAP.
They have also determined that the planning constraints in SDZs also need to have account of government policy, which basically means that the DCC have to rewrite the SDZs for unbuilt lots in the docklands, and for Poolbeg. Ronan is trying to accelerate the process.

DCC have rewritten the policy now after submissions. They have come back with another farcical half arsed plan, allowing for 25 floors where Ronan wants 44 for example. Everything they do seems to be arbitrary and gatekeeping. They're the same people who came up with last failed SDZ plan.

The problem is that the planning Department is made up of zealots.

I studied planning under the lecturers who taught these people and they were loons.

The PDs produced this 13 years ago (bit cartoonish but anyway)


Lads in the class did a presentation on why it was a sound plan.

Planning Lecturer "**sigh....You've not be listening"

Mullet 2 wrote:The PDs produced this 13 years ago (bit cartoonish but anyway)


Lads in the class did a presentation on why it was a sound plan.

Planning Lecturer "**sigh....You've not be listening"

Explain the theory behind this to me? Why is this wrong from a planning pov according to the lecturer?

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:It is a pretty city with Howth (visible from Crumlin/Drimnagh road surprisingly) and the parts you mention. I live in Clontarf and it's a very nice commute to and from until you get to fairview. Very pretty views out across the bay to Killiney and the mountains behind. This morning was particularly nice.

Getting the DART southside when you pop out to the coast again between Sydney Parade and Booterstown is fantastic.

It's funny how used you get to the view along the cliffs at Killiney when you commute that way every day. I always associated it with almost being home and wishing the Dart would hurry up and get to Shankill.
Then some days you see tourists going up to the windows and taking pics and actually admiring the view.

My mum makes a point of putting down her phone or whatever she's reading and taking the opportunity to just enjoy it for the couple of minutes. Not a bad idea, TBF. Call it mindful or whatever you want, but it's good to occasionally just appreciate something like that without being focused on other shit.

Because she doesn't like it.

nardol wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:The PDs produced this 13 years ago (bit cartoonish but anyway)


Lads in the class did a presentation on why it was a sound plan.

Planning Lecturer "**sigh....You've not be listening"

Explain the theory behind this to me? Why is this wrong from a planning pov according to the lecturer?

Modern resi tower blocks built around the power plant and shit treatment facilities at the Pigeon House?

That's about the only thing I can see that's wrong with it.

nardol wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:The PDs produced this 13 years ago (bit cartoonish but anyway)


Lads in the class did a presentation on why it was a sound plan.

Planning Lecturer "**sigh....You've not be listening"

Explain the theory behind this to me? Why is this wrong from a planning pov according to the lecturer?

Idiocy?

Nolanator wrote:

nardol wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:The PDs produced this 13 years ago (bit cartoonish but anyway)


Lads in the class did a presentation on why it was a sound plan.

Planning Lecturer "**sigh....You've not be listening"

Explain the theory behind this to me? Why is this wrong from a planning pov according to the lecturer?

Modern resi tower blocks built around the power plant and shit treatment facilities at the Pigeon House?

That's about the only thing I can see that's wrong with it.

Weren't there at the time TBF to Harney and co

The old Pigeon House chimney stacks are in that graphic.


I was just taking the piss, TBF.