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Chilky wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

The Sun God wrote:

Chilky wrote:I don't normally post on this bored as, frankly, you're all mad. However the Chivers site is only a mile or two from where I live so just some observations:

1. The Malahide road is a dual carriageway. It's a nightmare to try and cross on foot so you are already putting anyone with small children or mobility issues into a bind.

2. While not having seen the plans I am fairly confident that it will be a mix of 1, 2 and 3 bed appts. to get some form of social mix. That normally breaks out as approx. 40sqm, 55sqm and 80sqm. While not tiny - you're not going to be staying very long in something that size if you have small children (assuming you have the option). So you are likely looking at a more transient population.

3. For those who do stay, there are a few schools in the area - but if people are spending over €300,000 for an apartment, then they will likely look to put their kids somewhere else (, Portmarnock, Raheny or Malahide). So the kids won't integrate locally and will spend more time commuting.

4. The nearest three pubs that I can think of have no windows.

5. At the end of the day a 9 / 10 / 12 / 15 storey complex is completely and utterly out of character for the existing area. It's taking advantage of the Government's relaxation of planning laws. The developers are simply looking to squeeze the maximum amount of money from people who want somewhere to live. Though I will happily admit that the developers have a social conscience, once they build such a complex within eyesight of their own front rooms.

Fear not though...Blackrock bullet has his finger firmly on the pulse of this one so all that private money will be marvelous for...... well the landlord I guess.
BTW as an aside, the residents of this new development won't be getting their kids into schools in Malahide or Portmarnock as they don't have a local address.

Oh my God there's a Dual Carriage way, wowsers. I heard the exact same thing on Beechwood and the Grange. What issues has there been?

Boarded up pubs - yes that's plenty good reason to not allow private money invest somewhere. The area can't get better, no sirree.

You're being deliberately obtuse - or a d*ck - can't work out which.

According to the RSA you are 5 times more likely to be involved in a fatal car crash on a dual carriageway in an urban area. So great it's been fine up until now, but why roll the dice when you don't have to.

Private money can invest wherever it wants - however the Society of Chartered Surveryors report in 2017 pointed out that it's actually more expensive to build & maintain a high rise block than it is a series of 3 bed houses (approx. €470k vs €330k). That's including profit margin. So why go the route that's going to cause more pain in court battles and then having your name attached to an architectural folly in an area that doesn't want it?

@TSG - agree about the schools - they are tightening up considerably over the past few years. Anecdotally though people whose parents reside in those areas are now being used as the "PostBox" for all school applications.

alliswell wrote:
You expect this to "fix" anything?

camroc1 wrote:

alliswell wrote:
You expect this to "fix" anything?

New money into previously rundown/rough (and I don't think Coolock is rough, predominantly WC yes, but not rough) areas usually means an upgrade in the shops, pubs and restaurants in an area. It's called "gentrification", and is a world wide phenomenon.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

Chilky wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

The Sun God wrote:

Chilky wrote:I don't normally post on this bored as, frankly, you're all mad. However the Chivers site is only a mile or two from where I live so just some observations:

1. The Malahide road is a dual carriageway. It's a nightmare to try and cross on foot so you are already putting anyone with small children or mobility issues into a bind.

2. While not having seen the plans I am fairly confident that it will be a mix of 1, 2 and 3 bed appts. to get some form of social mix. That normally breaks out as approx. 40sqm, 55sqm and 80sqm. While not tiny - you're not going to be staying very long in something that size if you have small children (assuming you have the option). So you are likely looking at a more transient population.

3. For those who do stay, there are a few schools in the area - but if people are spending over €300,000 for an apartment, then they will likely look to put their kids somewhere else (, Portmarnock, Raheny or Malahide). So the kids won't integrate locally and will spend more time commuting.

4. The nearest three pubs that I can think of have no windows.

5. At the end of the day a 9 / 10 / 12 / 15 storey complex is completely and utterly out of character for the existing area. It's taking advantage of the Government's relaxation of planning laws. The developers are simply looking to squeeze the maximum amount of money from people who want somewhere to live. Though I will happily admit that the developers have a social conscience, once they build such a complex within eyesight of their own front rooms.

Fear not though...Blackrock bullet has his finger firmly on the pulse of this one so all that private money will be marvelous for...... well the landlord I guess.
BTW as an aside, the residents of this new development won't be getting their kids into schools in Malahide or Portmarnock as they don't have a local address.

Oh my God there's a Dual Carriage way, wowsers. I heard the exact same thing on Beechwood and the Grange. What issues has there been?

Boarded up pubs - yes that's plenty good reason to not allow private money invest somewhere. The area can't get better, no sirree.

You're being deliberately obtuse - or a d*ck - can't work out which.

According to the RSA you are 5 times more likely to be involved in a fatal car crash on a dual carriageway in an urban area. So great it's been fine up until now, but why roll the dice when you don't have to.

Private money can invest wherever it wants - however the Society of Chartered Surveryors report in 2017 pointed out that it's actually more expensive to build & maintain a high rise block than it is a series of 3 bed houses (approx. €470k vs €330k). That's including profit margin. So why go the route that's going to cause more pain in court battles and then having your name attached to an architectural folly in an area that doesn't want it?

@TSG - agree about the schools - they are tightening up considerably over the past few years. Anecdotally though people whose parents reside in those areas are now being used as the "PostBox" for all school applications.

You build foot bridges, or improve traffic lights. It is not difficult. Again, the N11 is incredibly built up including with major apartment developments either side. It copes. It is a total nonsense of an excuse here.

I'm glad we have got to the agenda piece. You want 3 bed houses over dense developments i.e. more sprawl. It's alright when you live in Malahide not to give a shit about sprawl, you have the DART. What about everyone else?

By the costs you mean the report that called out the policy nonsense out there including mandatory car parking?

Again, where do we build 35k homes per year, on public transport nodes and close to the city? Give us all an answer beyond gibberish about dual carriage ways.

Chilky wrote:
Couple of options - build 3 bed apartments within the canals - but stipulate a minimum size of 40sqm per bedroom. That way a 3 bed is 120sqm and a family will have sufficient space to actually live in it. Put the money into developing additional schools & facilities, again, inside the canals so that people have the option of where to send their children. More money into green spaces and parks so that people have somewhere to go. Prioritise smaller businesses which take up less footprint than simply another Lidl or Dunnes. All of these will bring people back into the centre where it makes sense to have density. Also, it will make it easier for multi generational living - allowing support networks to develop and giving the area a sense of community. Then once you're outside say Collins Ave on the Northside or Harold's Cross / Ballsbridge on the South side, you switch back to suburban development again.

Target specific areas (say where Iarnrod Eireann has large sites sitting vacant) and work on those. Take the initiative away from the developers and instead drive planning based upon need & available resources

camroc1 wrote:FTR many years ago I was involved in the design and construction of what is now the Coolock Activity Centre and also the Darndale Village Centre. Now Darndale was rough, Coolock fine.

Neither as rough as the Queen Street flats complex that I also worked on, and that area around Smithfield is prime private development land now.

It wasn't in the '90s.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:Yes this is what Cairn are building across the road too.



250 plus apartments/student accommodation, office space, retail and a sports hall - all on 1.3 hectares of space.

This an area that is already very built up with apartments up the road, ON A DUAL CARRIAGE WAY, a shopping centre etc.

In fairness there was plenty of local objection there too - led by the clown Shane Ross.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: This is Coolock, a few KM from the city centre.

Liathroidigloine wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:Yes this is what Cairn are building across the road too.



250 plus apartments/student accommodation, office space, retail and a sports hall - all on 1.3 hectares of space.

This an area that is already very built up with apartments up the road, ON A DUAL CARRIAGE WAY, a shopping centre etc.

In fairness there was plenty of local objection there too - led by the clown Shane Ross.

Student accommodation and office/retail is a very different animal to the needs of residents/families.

nardol wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:Yes this is what Cairn are building across the road too.



250 plus apartments/student accommodation, office space, retail and a sports hall - all on 1.3 hectares of space.

This an area that is already very built up with apartments up the road, ON A DUAL CARRIAGE WAY, a shopping centre etc.

In fairness there was plenty of local objection there too - led by the clown Shane Ross.

Student accommodation and office/retail is a very different animal to the needs of residents/families.

10 minutes ago you were complaining about the lack of student accommodation?

This is the very type of amenities that will push the Darndale crowd further out.

Liathroidigloine wrote:
Student accommodation and office/retail is a very different animal to the needs of residents/families.

nardol wrote:alliswell last 3 posts are 2 laughing smileys and a negative sarcastic retort.


Typical of the irish attitude to change. Negative, laugh it down, complain about it.


It's the same reason we have a third world bus service as our primary transport mode. 2 tram lines and no metro. The train line is medieval.

No vision, no desire for improvement. Lets just keep things as they are.


Depressing.

alliswell wrote:

nardol wrote:alliswell last 3 posts are 2 laughing smileys and a negative sarcastic retort.


Typical of the irish attitude to change. Negative, laugh it down, complain about it.


It's the same reason we have a third world bus service as our primary transport mode. 2 tram lines and no metro. The train line is medieval.

No vision, no desire for improvement. Lets just keep things as they are.


Depressing.

I'm laughing at being lectured on Coolock by an engineer from Ranelagh because he worked there in the 90s.

The response to you was because I don't view this as improvement. It's change. There's a blind faith there that it's improvement.


at your edit

alliswell wrote:

nardol wrote:alliswell last 3 posts are 2 laughing smileys and a negative sarcastic retort.


Typical of the irish attitude to change. Negative, laugh it down, complain about it.


It's the same reason we have a third world bus service as our primary transport mode. 2 tram lines and no metro. The train line is medieval.

No vision, no desire for improvement. Lets just keep things as they are.


Depressing.

I'm laughing at being lectured on Coolock by an engineer from Ranelagh because he worked there in the 90s.

The response to you was because I don't view this as improvement. It's change. There's a blind faith there that it's improvement.

alliswell wrote:

nardol wrote:alliswell last 3 posts are 2 laughing smileys and a negative sarcastic retort.


Typical of the irish attitude to change. Negative, laugh it down, complain about it.


It's the same reason we have a third world bus service as our primary transport mode. 2 tram lines and no metro. The train line is medieval.

No vision, no desire for improvement. Lets just keep things as they are.


Depressing.

I'm laughing at being lectured on Coolock by an engineer from Ranelagh because he worked there in the 90s.

The response to you was because I don't view this as improvement. It's change. There's a blind faith there that it's improvement.


at your edit

alliswell wrote:

nardol wrote:alliswell last 3 posts are 2 laughing smileys and a negative sarcastic retort.


Typical of the irish attitude to change. Negative, laugh it down, complain about it.


It's the same reason we have a third world bus service as our primary transport mode. 2 tram lines and no metro. The train line is medieval.

No vision, no desire for improvement. Lets just keep things as they are.


Depressing.

I'm laughing at being lectured on Coolock by an engineer from Ranelagh because he worked there in the 90s.

The response to you was because I don't view this as improvement. It's change. There's a blind faith there that it's improvement.


at your edit

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

alliswell wrote:

nardol wrote:alliswell last 3 posts are 2 laughing smileys and a negative sarcastic retort.


Typical of the irish attitude to change. Negative, laugh it down, complain about it.


It's the same reason we have a third world bus service as our primary transport mode. 2 tram lines and no metro. The train line is medieval.

No vision, no desire for improvement. Lets just keep things as they are.


Depressing.

I'm laughing at being lectured on Coolock by an engineer from Ranelagh because he worked there in the 90s.

The response to you was because I don't view this as improvement. It's change. There's a blind faith there that it's improvement.


at your edit

Blind faith is a nonsense.

BC is both planned and has the funding required. Planning is another story but so what - not everything is easy. That isn't blind faith.

Lots of parts of the city have been gentrified.

alliswell wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:

alliswell wrote:

nardol wrote:alliswell last 3 posts are 2 laughing smileys and a negative sarcastic retort.


Typical of the irish attitude to change. Negative, laugh it down, complain about it.


It's the same reason we have a third world bus service as our primary transport mode. 2 tram lines and no metro. The train line is medieval.

No vision, no desire for improvement. Lets just keep things as they are.


Depressing.

I'm laughing at being lectured on Coolock by an engineer from Ranelagh because he worked there in the 90s.

The response to you was because I don't view this as improvement. It's change. There's a blind faith there that it's improvement.


at your edit

Blind faith is a nonsense.

BC is both planned and has the funding required. Planning is another story but so what - not everything is easy. That isn't blind faith.

Lots of parts of the city have been gentrified.

There is a creeping gentrification going on as Beaumont, Santry and Artane creep up from below. It's restricted to the south side of the Oscar Traynor for the most part and everything east of the Malahide road is grand now.

My concern is that the development will end up being a low cost job that will have a detrimental effect on this. And it will look ridiculous. We have very little detail to go on which is why I repeatedly said 'we'll see how it pans out'. Your confidence is inspiring though.

rfurlong wrote:So developers now have to detail the likely mix of tenants?

Would you ever feck off

They’re builders not social engineers ffs

camroc1 wrote:

alliswell wrote:

nardol wrote:alliswell last 3 posts are 2 laughing smileys and a negative sarcastic retort.


Typical of the irish attitude to change. Negative, laugh it down, complain about it.


It's the same reason we have a third world bus service as our primary transport mode. 2 tram lines and no metro. The train line is medieval.

No vision, no desire for improvement. Lets just keep things as they are.


Depressing.

I'm laughing at being lectured on Coolock by an engineer from Ranelagh because he worked there in the 90s.

The response to you was because I don't view this as improvement. It's change. There's a blind faith there that it's improvement.


at your edit

Ah, you're reduced to ad-hominems.

Chilky wrote:I don't normally post on this bored as, frankly, you're all mad. However the Chivers site is only a mile or two from where I live so just some observations:

1. The Malahide road is a dual carriageway. It's a nightmare to try and cross on foot so you are already putting anyone with small children or mobility issues into a bind.

2. While not having seen the plans I am fairly confident that it will be a mix of 1, 2 and 3 bed appts. to get some form of social mix. That normally breaks out as approx. 40sqm, 55sqm and 80sqm. While not tiny - you're not going to be staying very long in something that size if you have small children (assuming you have the option). So you are likely looking at a more transient population.

3. For those who do stay, there are a few schools in the area - but if people are spending over €300,000 for an apartment, then they will likely look to put their kids somewhere else (, Portmarnock, Raheny or Malahide). So the kids won't integrate locally and will spend more time commuting.

4. The nearest three pubs that I can think of have no windows.

5. At the end of the day a 9 / 10 / 12 / 15 storey complex is completely and utterly out of character for the existing area. It's taking advantage of the Government's relaxation of planning laws. The developers are simply looking to squeeze the maximum amount of money from people who want somewhere to live. Though I will happily admit that the developers have a social conscience, once they build such a complex within eyesight of their own front rooms.

Blackrock Bullet wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49508181

Paid in cash with Northern Bank on the notes?

alliswell wrote:There is a creeping gentrification going on as Beaumont, Santry and Artane creep up from below. It's restricted to the south side of the Oscar Traynor for the most part and everything east of the Malahide road is grand now.

My concern is that the development will end up being a low cost job that will have a detrimental effect on this. And it will look ridiculous. We have very little detail to go on which is why I repeatedly said 'we'll see how it pans out'. Your confidence is inspiring though.

Duff Paddy wrote:

Blackrock Bullet wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49508181

Paid in cash with Northern Bank on the notes?

I thought large individual donations were banned - that is quite scary

Chilky wrote:Couple of options - build 3 bed apartments within the canals - but stipulate a minimum size of 40sqm per bedroom. That way a 3 bed is 120sqm and a family will have sufficient space to actually live in it. Put the money into developing additional schools & facilities, again, inside the canals so that people have the option of where to send their children. More money into green spaces and parks so that people have somewhere to go. Prioritise smaller businesses which take up less footprint than simply another Lidl or Dunnes. All of these will bring people back into the centre where it makes sense to have density. Also, it will make it easier for multi generational living - allowing support networks to develop and giving the area a sense of community. Then once you're outside say Collins Ave on the Northside or Harold's Cross / Ballsbridge on the South side, you switch back to suburban development again.

Target specific areas (say where Iarnrod Eireann has large sites sitting vacant) and work on those. Take the initiative away from the developers and instead drive planning based upon need & available resources

alliswell wrote:Not sure if this is the place to ask but if I hear of someone committing a pretty serious crime but I don't know victim time or place, can I do anything about it?

camroc1 wrote:

alliswell wrote:Not sure if this is the place to ask but if I hear of someone committing a pretty serious crime but I don't know victim time or place, can I do anything about it?

Tell the Gardaí.

EverReady wrote:Is it somebody on here? Is it me?