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40 cattle on x hectares is the same as 400 cattle on 10x hectares. The number of farmers per hectares is what is the primary issue.


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Most actual farmers I know think bigger farms are the only solution. They want the "hobby farmers" forced out.


They aren't hobby farmers. They are farmers who work two jobs. I know lots of them and [b]they would prefer to farm full time.[/b]

If I had the choice between eating meat produced by a lad with 30 or 40 cattle or one with 500 cattle I know which I would choose, even if that meant spending a bit more. Likewise, I don't buy my meat in pre packed plastic portions in supermarkets but off a proper butcher. Yeah, I'm old fashioned.



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Liathroidigloine wrote:
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Most actual farmers I know think bigger farms are the only solution. They want the "hobby farmers" forced out.


They aren't hobby farmers. They are farmers who work two jobs. I know lots of them and they would prefer to farm full time.

If I had the choice between eating meat produced by a lad with 30 or 40 cattle or one with 500 cattle I know which I would choose, even if that meant spending a bit more. Likewise, I don't buy my meat in pre packed plastic portions in supermarkets but off a proper butcher. Yeah, I'm old fashioned.


And have more of a disposable income.


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Lets not also forget that farmers get MASSIVE subsidies already with CAP


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Nolanator wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
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Most actual farmers I know think bigger farms are the only solution. They want the "hobby farmers" forced out.


They aren't hobby farmers. They are farmers who work two jobs. I know lots of them and they would prefer to farm full time.

If I had the choice between eating meat produced by a lad with 30 or 40 cattle or one with 500 cattle I know which I would choose, even if that meant spending a bit more. Likewise, I don't buy my meat in pre packed plastic portions in supermarkets but off a proper butcher. Yeah, I'm old fashioned.


And have more of a disposable income.


With two in college, are you f**king joking? :| :| :|

But I'd choose to spend an extra tenner a week or whatever on my meat than spend it going out.


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Alternative is rural ireland doesnt change and it dies because everyone buys their beef from Netherlands, France, Hungary etc etc.

Like the world I'm selling or not but the future is reliant in farmers making a living


Dutch, French and Hungarian beef? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some French beef is rated higher than Irish beef.


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Alternative is rural ireland doesnt change and it dies because everyone buys their beef from Netherlands, France, Hungary etc etc.

Like the world I'm selling or not but the future is reliant in farmers making a living


Dutch, French and Hungarian beef? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some French beef is rated higher than Irish beef.


For smelling of horse?


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
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Most actual farmers I know think bigger farms are the only solution. They want the "hobby farmers" forced out.


They aren't hobby farmers. They are farmers who work two jobs. I know lots of them and they would prefer to farm full time.

If I had the choice between eating meat produced by a lad with 30 or 40 cattle or one with 500 cattle I know which I would choose, even if that meant spending a bit more. Likewise, I don't buy my meat in pre packed plastic portions in supermarkets but off a proper butcher. Yeah, I'm old fashioned.

They are hobby farmers. They work part time on uneconomic plots because they want to.


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paddyor wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
nardol wrote:
Alternative is rural ireland doesnt change and it dies because everyone buys their beef from Netherlands, France, Hungary etc etc.

Like the world I'm selling or not but the future is reliant in farmers making a living


Dutch, French and Hungarian beef? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some French beef is rated higher than Irish beef.


John Stone beef, produced in Ballymahon, is up there with the best beef I've eaten anywhere in the world. It is really top class.

The everyday beef that I can buy in my local butcher is usually of a very high standard, well reared, hung and butchered.


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
nardol wrote:
Alternative is rural ireland doesnt change and it dies because everyone buys their beef from Netherlands, France, Hungary etc etc.

Like the world I'm selling or not but the future is reliant in farmers making a living


Dutch, French and Hungarian beef? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some French beef is rated higher than Irish beef.


John Stone beef, produced in Ballymahon, is up there with the best beef I've eaten anywhere in the world. It is really top class.

The everyday beef that I can buy in my local butcher is usually of a very high standard, well reared, hung and butchered.


sounds like something aspirational for Mullet


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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Closure I guess, plus assorted other clichés. Horrible indeed.


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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad. She must have died terrified and all alone. The Malaysians are just great people. It’s an extremely low crime country so they knew that abduction was unlikely. They did everything they could to help this poor family.


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad. She must have died terrified and all alone. The Malaysians are just great people. It’s an extremely low crime country so they knew that abduction was unlikely.


Their authorities didn't seem too great when investigating MH370, by all accounts.
Don't really know anything about the country, TBH.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:55 am 
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Nolanator wrote:
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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad. She must have died terrified and all alone. The Malaysians are just great people. It’s an extremely low crime country so they knew that abduction was unlikely.


Their authorities didn't seem too great when investigating MH370, by all accounts.
Don't really know anything about the country, TBH.


It is a fascinating country. Still quite British in many ways. Their government send a lot of students over to Irish universities every year so I have encountered a good few of them. They are impeccably well mannered.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:01 am 
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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad. She must have died terrified and all alone. The Malaysians are just great people. It’s an extremely low crime country so they knew that abduction was unlikely.


Their authorities didn't seem too great when investigating MH370, by all accounts.
Don't really know anything about the country, TBH.


It is a fascinating country. Still quite British in many ways. Their government send a lot of students over to Irish universities every year so I have encountered a good few of them. They are impeccably well mannered.

Never had any dealings with them myself.
I do recall, however, that back in the day some in TCD decided that they were going to run a duplicate of my undergrad course specifically for Malaysian students. Being a university, this decision was taken without consulting any of the people involved in managing and administering the course, so no thought given to practicality, logistics, lab space etc. All about the €€€. Don't think it ever got going.


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My GF lived there for several years, says it has got increasingly dangerous and wouldn't recommend it anymore.


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My GF lived there for several years, says it has got increasingly dangerous and wouldn't recommend it anymore.

Saudi Wahibbist Imams ?


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Pretty much.


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My GF lived there for several years, says it has got increasingly dangerous and wouldn't recommend it anymore.


spent some time there and loved it ; Kuala Lumpur is one of the few places I would up sticks and move to. Some Chinese Malaysian friends of mine do talk about the increase in crime but I'm thinking it all relative.


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad. She must have died terrified and all alone. The Malaysians are just great people. It’s an extremely low crime country so they knew that abduction was unlikely.


Their authorities didn't seem too great when investigating MH370, by all accounts.
Don't really know anything about the country, TBH.


It is a fascinating country. Still quite British in many ways. Their government send a lot of students over to Irish universities every year so I have encountered a good few of them. They are impeccably well mannered.

The best tenants I ever had were Malaysian chefs and students.
Had a wee moment of hope when I saw footage of Soldiers pushing through jungle trails and calling for Nora.


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Terrible tragedy but looking at the forest it's a small comfort they found the body at least.

Poor girl.


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Saudi Wahibbist Imams ?


Seems like an awful lot of shit in many countries could be very quickly removed if the influence of these knuckle-draggers could be eliminated.


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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad.

I really wonder what happened.


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Saudi Wahibbist Imams ?


Seems like an awful lot of shit in many countries could be very quickly removed if the influence of these knuckle-draggers could be eliminated.

They come as part of the parcel that generally includes lots of development money.

I do agree though, Wahibbism is an extreme cult form of Islam.


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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad.

I really wonder what happened.

Went for a walk, strayed, and panicked.


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We need to break oil dependence and send the middle east back to the irrelevant backwater it so richly deserves.


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We need to break oil dependence and send the middle east back to the irrelevant backwater it so richly deserves.

Absolutely. Unfortunately part of the price of non-oil technology will be dependence on minerals that are mostly found in other countries with awful human rights records. DRC, CAR, etc.
Just changing which bunch of shitheads the developed world props up.


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We need to break oil dependence and send the middle east back to the irrelevant backwater it so richly deserves.

I agree.

But the ME will still produce the cheapest oil that will be used in various manufacturing processes.

Plus as Custodians of the two Holy Mosques in the Two Holy Cities (Mecca and Medina) the Saudis hold considerable prestige amongst Muslims.


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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad.

I really wonder what happened.

Went for a walk, strayed, and panicked.


I would have thought probably looking for parents in a strange place. That's what I initially thought rather than abducted


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Saudi Wahibbist Imams ?


Seems like an awful lot of shit in many countries could be very quickly removed if the influence of these knuckle-draggers could be eliminated.

They come as part of the parcel that generally includes lots of development money.

I do agree though, Wahibbism is an extreme cult form of Islam.

Brought to you by Saudi Arabia, our friend and ally in the middle east


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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Very sad.

I really wonder what happened.

Went for a walk, strayed, and panicked.


I would have thought probably looking for parents in a strange place. That's what I initially thought rather than abducted


Something like that. Or heard a noise and went to look.

Going for a walk sounds out of character given the information we've been given, especially if it started with a climb out of the window.


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paddyor wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
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Most actual farmers I know think bigger farms are the only solution. They want the "hobby farmers" forced out.


They aren't hobby farmers. They are farmers who work two jobs. I know lots of them and they would prefer to farm full time.

If I had the choice between eating meat produced by a lad with 30 or 40 cattle or one with 500 cattle I know which I would choose, even if that meant spending a bit more. Likewise, I don't buy my meat in pre packed plastic portions in supermarkets but off a proper butcher. Yeah, I'm old fashioned.

They are hobby farmers. They work part time on uneconomic plots because they want to.


Well it’s going to become even more of a hobby in the future. The first UK university has now banned beef from its campus for environmental reasons. Watch this spread like the plastic straw boycott.


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Duff Paddy wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
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Most actual farmers I know think bigger farms are the only solution. They want the "hobby farmers" forced out.


They aren't hobby farmers. They are farmers who work two jobs. I know lots of them and they would prefer to farm full time.

If I had the choice between eating meat produced by a lad with 30 or 40 cattle or one with 500 cattle I know which I would choose, even if that meant spending a bit more. Likewise, I don't buy my meat in pre packed plastic portions in supermarkets but off a proper butcher. Yeah, I'm old fashioned.

They are hobby farmers. They work part time on uneconomic plots because they want to.


Well it’s going to become even more of a hobby in the future. The first UK university has now banned beef from its campus for environmental reasons. Watch this spread like the plastic straw boycott.


More for me to eat. On top of that, developing countries are eating more animal based protein. It was the case that we used only send China pigs "arseholes and elbows" but now the are buying more premium cuts.


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Funny thing is that apparently dairy farming has much bigger negative impact on environment


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
Most actual farmers I know think bigger farms are the only solution. They want the "hobby farmers" forced out.


They aren't hobby farmers. They are farmers who work two jobs. I know lots of them and they would prefer to farm full time.

If I had the choice between eating meat produced by a lad with 30 or 40 cattle or one with 500 cattle I know which I would choose, even if that meant spending a bit more. Likewise, I don't buy my meat in pre packed plastic portions in supermarkets but off a proper butcher. Yeah, I'm old fashioned.

They are hobby farmers. They work part time on uneconomic plots because they want to.


Well it’s going to become even more of a hobby in the future. The first UK university has now banned beef from its campus for environmental reasons. Watch this spread like the plastic straw boycott.


More for me to eat. On top of that, developing countries are eating more animal based protein. It was the case that we used only send China pigs "arseholes and elbows" but now the are buying more premium cuts.


Supply and demand. Beef farmers are in for a tough time.


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We have a terrible lack of deciduous forests in the country, this could be a good opportunity to get some of them to offset their carbon emissions through a re-forestation programme


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Feed lot and grain fed beef, and Brazillian (due to cutting down forests), will suffer long before grass fed in a temperate climate.

In fact there are likely to be opportunities to grass fed temperate climeate beef.


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Seems that they found the body of the Irish teenager who went missing in Malaysia. Seemed inevitable. Still, horrible.


Terribly sad but I dont understand why the media here refer to her as Irish, she was born and lived her whole life in London from the looks.


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We need to break oil dependence and send the middle east back to the irrelevant backwater it so richly deserves.


Just wait until they float Saudi Aremco next year and a chunk of your ridiculously generous civil service pension buys a chunk of their stock..... You'll change your tune.


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