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Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:17 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
You have though, I don't see the issue with this;

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This is the kind of finish on London City Island, which is similar (but far more colourful, which is ain't) and Ballymore;
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Dublin Landings looks great. I'd have a lot of faith in Ballymore. What would you like, the kind of stuff at Sir John Rogerson's Quay?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:20 pm
by camroc1
Mullet 2 wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Game? As in posting images provided by the Developer themselves?

What game exactly are we playing? You're of course the lad who told us Capital Dock would look grand.
It's Ballymore, their developments have all been to a good standard, including Dublin Landings.

And? The buildings are hideous.

The name of the builder won't make them not hideous.
I don’t see them as hideous. You’ve been very selective on the renders there. They are pretty standard of what is going up in London and major US cities.

The builder is important as like with Capital Dock, they can cheap out. Kennedy Wilson are known for that.
Trends in architecture don't dictate good taste,

Liberty Hall, Apollo House, Hawkins House were all of a time with their contempratories in London too and it makes them no less hideous.

There is no selectiveness about it, those are the renders they themselves have chose. Nor it is exclusively a render problem. The symmetry and pacing of the windows is also shit.
Apollo House, Hawkins House and College House were spec. developments by a London based spec developer using commercial London Architects whose only idea was to maximise commercial square footage.

Liberty Hall was bespoke designed for the ITGWU and its specific requirements.

They are completely different animals.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:24 pm
by Mullet 2
Again it's completely disingenuous to pick a street level cafe shot and one of the only building I said looks fine.

You're deliberately avoiding the point.


That's for you Brock. Cam would believe the OLD ESB HQ was great if some prick in the Irish times told him it won a design award.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:32 pm
by Duff Paddy
Look at all the cyclists in those renders mullet

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:34 pm
by Mullet 2
Duff Paddy wrote:Look at all the cyclists in those renders mullet

How much you wanna bet they have no cycling signs all around that plaza when it's done? :lol:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:35 pm
by Mullet 2
And when myself and Brock say Render we mean the external finish of the building not the image type of render.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:44 pm
by Duff Paddy
Mullet 2 wrote:And when myself and Brock say Render we mean the external finish of the building not the image type of render.
Is that not the cladding

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:58 pm
by Mullet 2
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:And when myself and Brock say Render we mean the external finish of the building not the image type of render.
Is that not the cladding
Cladding and render is not exactly the same but pretty much

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:09 pm
by Nolanator
That Irish Life building isn't the nicest looking, but at least it's got some more interesting lines than Liberty Hall. Not sure about the sepia tinged reflective windows.

I've often wondered about that moat while waiting for a bus along there. What's the thinking behind it? Keep the plebs out but call it a "feature"?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:12 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
Mullet 2 wrote:Again it's completely disingenuous to pick a street level cafe shot and one of the only building I said looks fine.

You're deliberately avoiding the point.


That's for you Brock. Cam would believe the OLD ESB HQ was great if some prick in the Irish times told him it won a design award.
I'm not. You are picking a shot that compares existing street scapes (including damp footpaths) to a far away render. Ballymore's efforts have all been to a high quality finish, the results here and elsewhere show that.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:15 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
Duff Paddy wrote:Look at all the cyclists in those renders mullet
Well joking aside, it is going to have an insane amount of spaces for cyclists.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:16 pm
by Mullet 2
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Again it's completely disingenuous to pick a street level cafe shot and one of the only building I said looks fine.

You're deliberately avoiding the point.


That's for you Brock. Cam would believe the OLD ESB HQ was great if some prick in the Irish times told him it won a design award.
I'm not. You are picking a shot that compares existing street scapes (including damp footpaths) to a far away render. Ballymore's efforts have all been to a high quality finish, the results here and elsewhere show that.

So how it will actually look instead of t-shirt bedecked Indian lads on bikes then? :lol:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:16 pm
by de_Selby
Blackrock Bullet wrote:You have though, I don't see the issue with this;

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This is the kind of finish on London City Island, which is similar (but far more colourful, which is ain't) and Ballymore;
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Dublin Landings looks great. I'd have a lot of faith in Ballymore. What would you like, the kind of stuff at Sir John Rogerson's Quay?

Is that first picture meant to be from the perspective of someone who's severely cross-eyed or something? It's hurting my brain to look at it

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:17 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
It will look similar to what I posted above at London City Island.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:29 pm
by nardol
Why is that fker cycling in a pedestrian zone?

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:43 pm
by Duff Paddy
nardol wrote:Why is that fker cycling in a pedestrian zone?
It’s okay he works for Google

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:27 pm
by Rumham
They will fudge up the brick finish and it'll look shit.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:28 pm
by HighKingLeinster
Duff Paddy wrote:
nardol wrote:Why is that fker cycling in a pedestrian zone?
It’s okay he works for Google
And the bike is actually powered by his own smug sense of self-satisfaction

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:29 pm
by Uncle Fester
Nolanator wrote:That Irish Life building isn't the nicest looking, but at least it's got some more interesting lines than Liberty Hall. Not sure about the sepia tinged reflective windows.

I've often wondered about that moat while waiting for a bus along there. What's the thinking behind it? Keep the plebs out but call it a "feature"?
Have to say that I'm with mullet on this. The stuff going up now is so generic and will date quickly.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:55 pm
by Onelostbear
I see Pa Whelan son has bought Kieleys

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:58 pm
by Duff Paddy
Onelostbear wrote:I see Pa Whelan son has bought Kieleys
Interesting. Can’t ever see it making the money it used to make but you never know

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:58 pm
by Duff Paddy
HighKingLeinster wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
nardol wrote:Why is that fker cycling in a pedestrian zone?
It’s okay he works for Google
And the bike is actually powered by his own smug sense of self-satisfaction
:lol:

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:03 pm
by Onelostbear
Duff Paddy wrote:
Onelostbear wrote:I see Pa Whelan son has bought Kieleys
Interesting. Can’t ever see it making the money it used to make but you never know
am sure he will knock it and start again maybe keep the licence

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:06 pm
by Duff Paddy
Onelostbear wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Onelostbear wrote:I see Pa Whelan son has bought Kieleys
Interesting. Can’t ever see it making the money it used to make but you never know
am sure he will knock it and start again maybe keep the licence
Very valuable site. The pub building doesn’t work - way too big.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:37 pm
by CM11
Duff Paddy wrote:
Onelostbear wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Onelostbear wrote:I see Pa Whelan son has bought Kieleys
Interesting. Can’t ever see it making the money it used to make but you never know
am sure he will knock it and start again maybe keep the licence
Very valuable site. The pub building doesn’t work - way too big.
A decent outside sitting area would work very well there. Whatever they do has to have a serious draw because once Leinster left, it's actually a pretty shit location for a pub.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:02 pm
by camroc1
Asylum seekers, you say.

And not economic migrants ?
Nine of the 16 migrants found in the back of a truck trailer on a ferry sailing to Ireland midweek are now unaccounted for.

Nine of the adult males in the group had left their accommodation by Friday night and their whereabouts were unknown this weekend.

The group were found in the back of a trailer being towed by an Irish-owned lorry on the Cherbourg-Rosslare sailing that departed France on Wednesday night and arrived in Co Wexford on Thursday afternoon......

......Garda sources told The Irish Times the 15 men and one minor believed the trailer they got into in France, likely close to Cherbourg, was being towed by a truck destined for Britain, not Ireland.

The same sources said as Britain was their intended destination it was now strongly suspected the nine men unaccounted for had left their accommodation with a view to going to the UK.

That could involve stowing away on a second ferry from the Republic or the North bound for Britain or they may seek to travel into the North in a bid to claim asylum there.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.4093400

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:55 pm
by Duff Paddy
EverReady wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... 4?mode=amp

This type of shit is why I have moved from the supposed left. So it is not McVerry's responsibility with his reserves. It is the shop owner with piss all over his doorway waking up scagged out users. The McVerry Trust went from having 13 million in reserves in 2017 to 24 million in 2018. What are they doing with that war chest. Fück all is the answer. And the other homeless charities are also building up lovely reserves though none as bad as McVerry. He is an utter charlatan and a brilliant example of how some people are too big to be questioned
It’s f**king shocking. I see people without an arse in their trousers donating to big charities - I won’t name names - and they don’t realise that a lot of these charities have €10m+ war chests basically on deposit. Now a lot of charity workers are well paid, often the CEO is an ex political hack, and I’ve no problem with that a they are big organisations and you need to pay the market rate to get good people - but the massive war chests are very hard to justify whilst they are still soliciting donations from people who are basically broke.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:05 pm
by Duff Paddy
It would be of more benefit to all if business leaders could engage with the homeless agencies and the city council with a view to enhancing the dignity and the life experience of those who use their doorways rather than engaging in this type of unsympathetic action.”
Don’t really know what they expect the shop owners to do? We have so many homeless agencies that they are tripping over each other.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:28 pm
by camroc1
Duff Paddy wrote:
It would be of more benefit to all if business leaders could engage with the homeless agencies and the city council with a view to enhancing the dignity and the life experience of those who use their doorways rather than engaging in this type of unsympathetic action.”
Don’t really know what they expect the shop owners to do? We have so many homeless agencies that they are tripping over each other.
The "charity" scam is nearly as good as the "personal injury" one.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:50 pm
by MrBunhead
Ciara Kelly with another good article on Cervical Check
Lawyers, currently being lauded as women's advocates, will have done women no favours. No favours at all.
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comm ... 20655.html

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:59 pm
by Duff Paddy
MrBunhead wrote:Ciara Kelly with another good article on Cervical Check
Lawyers, currently being lauded as women's advocates, will have done women no favours. No favours at all.
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comm ... 20655.html
Outstanding article she deserves a journalism award for that. I heard that radio interview, she was on with solicitor Cian O’Connor on the Ivan Yates show. The guy was laying it on thick as if it was the big bad state and against these poor wronged women who wouldn’t have cancer otherwise. It’s essential to have a woman like Ciara Kelly set the record straight. The only unfortunate thing was that she didn’t ask the solicitor how much money his firm had made out of all of this.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:59 pm
by anonymous_joe
I see you lads ignored the RCS report that was in the media last week.

Funny that.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:00 pm
by Duff Paddy
anonymous_joe wrote:I see you lads ignored the RCS report that was in the media last week.

Funny that.
Jesus f**king Christ it is literally explained to you one post previous

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:13 pm
by anonymous_joe
Duff Paddy wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:I see you lads ignored the RCS report that was in the media last week.

Funny that.
Jesus f**king Christ it is literally explained to you one post previous
No, actually, it's not explained at all.

You lot on here have decided that the system must be protected, notwithstanding the fact that the system failed. And its failure has potentially cost women an opportunity to fight cancer.

I'm not interested in being emotive, but I'm startled at the callous disregard for these women and the head-in-the-sand attitude adopted towards the consequences of the current system.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:28 pm
by camroc1
Explain to me again, AJ, how a false negative screening test gives women cervical cancer.

I need a good laugh.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:34 pm
by Duff Paddy
anonymous_joe wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:I see you lads ignored the RCS report that was in the media last week.

Funny that.
Jesus f**king Christ it is literally explained to you one post previous
No, actually, it's not explained at all.

You lot on here have decided that the system must be protected, notwithstanding the fact that the system failed. And its failure has potentially cost women an opportunity to fight cancer.

I'm not interested in being emotive, but I'm startled at the callous disregard for these women and the head-in-the-sand attitude adopted towards the consequences of the current system.
You didn’t read the article. Read it, it explains the difference in findings.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:12 pm
by CM11
anonymous_joe wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:I see you lads ignored the RCS report that was in the media last week.

Funny that.
Jesus f**king Christ it is literally explained to you one post previous
No, actually, it's not explained at all.

You lot on here have decided that the system must be protected, notwithstanding the fact that the system failed. And its failure has potentially cost women an opportunity to fight cancer.

I'm not interested in being emotive, but I'm startled at the callous disregard for these women and the head-in-the-sand attitude adopted towards the consequences of the current system.
A system that has saved thousands of lives (in Ireland, way more around the world) has failed? Really?

You can't have read the article if you think it's not explained. That or English isn't your first language.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:23 pm
by danthefan
Is he saying it's either 100% accurate (as in anything in life, an impossibility) or its a failure? Nobody can think that surely.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:48 pm
by Nolanator
danthefan wrote:Is he saying it's either 100% accurate (as in anything in life, an impossibility) or its a failure? Nobody can think that surely.
Sure you can, when there's compensation to be chased.
Admit that it can be less than 100% accurate, but still be effective means that you can't cash in.

Re: Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:15 pm
by CM11
danthefan wrote:Is he saying it's either 100% accurate (as in anything in life, an impossibility) or its a failure? Nobody can think that surely.
He just doesn't get the difficulty of the screening or the concept of maximising returns. Nor has he paid attention to the risks involved in invasive procedures for false positives. He thinks that a screening test is a definitive test of whether you have cancer instead of a test to see if the cancer can be avoided. He thinks that someone looking at a slide knowing it's one with signs of pre cancer and being able to spot it, eventually, means the original person screwed up, despite having less time and not knowing there was anything to find. Which is back to maximising returns to save the most lives.

He also seems to think that as a lawyer he knows more than a doctor on this matter despite lecturing us about commenting on law as non lawyers.