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And.... people don't come to Ireland to claim refugee status because we are seen as a soft touch. Oh no......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4149447


11,000 plus asylum claims in 2002. I wonder what changed after that to reduce the numbers so dramatically?

The Immigration Act 2003 which inter alia introduced the safe country of origin to Irish law.

It makes no sense to look at figures for Ireland in isolation. In the last 40 years there have been three peak years for European asylum applications: 1992, 2002 and 2015 which were clearly caused by political upheaval and/or wars. The 2002 peak was largely caused by the Yugoslav wars. The number of applications Europe-wide fell sharply subsequently - by 2005, to less than half. All European countries experience a huge drop after 2002.


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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... 0?mode=amp

Tragic.


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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bodies-of-three-young-children-found-in-house-in-dublin-1.4150670?mode=amp

Tragic.


Reports a note was left downstairs telling rescuers not to go upstairs. Another horrific tragedy, RIP


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Same note left as Clodagh Hawes husband


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Apt blocks and a nursing home in Clondalkin already under construction looking for planning permission to go higher.
Screw you Johnny Ronan.


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ur-EU.html

Our friends in the UK still have their finger firmly pressed on the self destruct button


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bodies-of-three-young-children-found-in-house-in-dublin-1.4150670?mode=amp

Tragic.


Reports a note was left downstairs telling rescuers not to go upstairs. Another horrific tragedy, RIP


The mother was a nurse in Crumlin hospital. :uhoh:
The Dad came home and found the kids.
Nightmare scenario, very sad.


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Apt blocks and a nursing home in Clondalkin already under construction looking for planning permission to go higher.
Screw you Johnny Ronan.

Sure but do you want your grandkids to have to commute from Portarlington?

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You shouldn’t be so closed minded - the daily fail gives you an excellent insight into the minds of the average Tory voting English brexiteer


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Flametop wrote:
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Flametop wrote:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bodies-of-three-young-children-found-in-house-in-dublin-1.4150670?mode=amp

Tragic.


Reports a note was left downstairs telling rescuers not to go upstairs. Another horrific tragedy, RIP


The mother was a nurse in Crumlin hospital. :uhoh:
The Dad came home and found the kids.
Nightmare scenario, very sad.


Yup. Was out playing five aside from what I hear. Rumours around diabetic medication but whatever way it plays out it will be utterly shit


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derriz wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
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And.... people don't come to Ireland to claim refugee status because we are seen as a soft touch. Oh no......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4149447


11,000 plus asylum claims in 2002. I wonder what changed after that to reduce the numbers so dramatically?

The Immigration Act 2003 which inter alia introduced the safe country of origin to Irish law.

It makes no sense to look at figures for Ireland in isolation. In the last 40 years there have been three peak years for European asylum applications: 1992, 2002 and 2015 which were clearly caused by political upheaval and/or wars. The 2002 peak was largely caused by the Yugoslav wars. The number of applications Europe-wide fell sharply subsequently - by 2005, to less than half. All European countries experience a huge drop after 2002.


You're a necessary antidote on this thread, Derriz.


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You shouldn’t be so closed minded - the daily fail gives you an excellent insight into the minds of the average Tory voting English brexiteer

Clicks give them advertising revenue and validation.
Can't decide which is worse.


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You shouldn’t be so closed minded - the daily fail gives you an excellent insight into the minds of the average Tory voting English brexiteer

Clicks give them advertising revenue and validation.
Can't decide which is worse.

:thumbup:
Don't click Daily Mail links.


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You shouldn’t be so closed minded - the daily fail gives you an excellent insight into the minds of the average Tory voting English brexiteer

Clicks give them advertising revenue and validation.
Can't decide which is worse.

:thumbup:
Don't click Daily Mail links.


Where do you draw the line? No fox/newscorp links? No DOB owned titles? A bit of a silly idea.


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Apt blocks and a nursing home in Clondalkin already under construction looking for planning permission to go higher.
Screw you Johnny Ronan.

Sure but do you want your grandkids to have to commute from Portarlington?

Duff
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Did something similar myself in the nineties, but Mainly want sites that are well advanced to finish.


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Conservative Eddie wrote:
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camroc1 wrote:
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And.... people don't come to Ireland to claim refugee status because we are seen as a soft touch. Oh no......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.4149447


11,000 plus asylum claims in 2002. I wonder what changed after that to reduce the numbers so dramatically?

The Immigration Act 2003 which inter alia introduced the safe country of origin to Irish law.

It makes no sense to look at figures for Ireland in isolation. In the last 40 years there have been three peak years for European asylum applications: 1992, 2002 and 2015 which were clearly caused by political upheaval and/or wars. The 2002 peak was largely caused by the Yugoslav wars. The number of applications Europe-wide fell sharply subsequently - by 2005, to less than half. All European countries experience a huge drop after 2002.


You're a necessary antidote on this thread, Derriz.

Why ?

Because looking at "figures for Europe" handily ignores the fact that we're at the arse end of it, with no direct transport between where the "refugees" come from and Ireland ?

Of course refugees choose which countries they want to claim asylum in, and we're pretty high up the list because we're seen as a "soft touch".

That, by the way, is a back handed compliment to Ireland and Irish standards.


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Cam is right its s nonsense to compare Ireland with countries in the med


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camroc1 wrote:
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11,000 plus asylum claims in 2002. I wonder what changed after that to reduce the numbers so dramatically?

The Immigration Act 2003 which inter alia introduced the safe country of origin to Irish law.

It makes no sense to look at figures for Ireland in isolation. In the last 40 years there have been three peak years for European asylum applications: 1992, 2002 and 2015 which were clearly caused by political upheaval and/or wars. The 2002 peak was largely caused by the Yugoslav wars. The number of applications Europe-wide fell sharply subsequently - by 2005, to less than half. All European countries experience a huge drop after 2002.


You're a necessary antidote on this thread, Derriz.

Why ?

Because looking at "figures for Europe" handily ignores the fact that we're at the arse end of it, with no direct transport between where the "refugees" come from and Ireland ?

Of course refugees choose which countries they want to claim asylum in, and we're pretty high up the list because we're seen as a "soft touch".

It doesn't "ignore" anything - it addressed the question which was why the number of applicants peaked in 2002. The answer is because the numbers of refugees in this part of the world (Europe) peaked in 2002. Every peak and trough in asylum application counts in Ireland have matched the same for the EU as a whole.

It's like talking about the "homeless crisis" but refusing to look at European/international numbers for comparison or context or what happened the economy in 2007/2008 without looking at what was happening elsewhere. It makes no sense to dismiss what's happening outside Ireland's borders unless promoting a political agenda.

This is nothing to do with your "soft touch" theory; Ireland processes a little over half the number of applications as the EU average based on relative population or nearly a quarter based on GDP - i.e. is in the lowest quintile for applications in Europe - which again is no surprise given Ireland's relative geographical isolation. You sound like a fückin brexiteer with this "famous all over the world as a soft touch", btw.


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derriz wrote:
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11,000 plus asylum claims in 2002. I wonder what changed after that to reduce the numbers so dramatically?

The Immigration Act 2003 which inter alia introduced the safe country of origin to Irish law.

It makes no sense to look at figures for Ireland in isolation. In the last 40 years there have been three peak years for European asylum applications: 1992, 2002 and 2015 which were clearly caused by political upheaval and/or wars. The 2002 peak was largely caused by the Yugoslav wars. The number of applications Europe-wide fell sharply subsequently - by 2005, to less than half. All European countries experience a huge drop after 2002.


You're a necessary antidote on this thread, Derriz.

Why ?

Because looking at "figures for Europe" handily ignores the fact that we're at the arse end of it, with no direct transport between where the "refugees" come from and Ireland ?

Of course refugees choose which countries they want to claim asylum in, and we're pretty high up the list because we're seen as a "soft touch".

It doesn't "ignore" anything - it addressed the question which was why the number of applicants peaked in 2002. The answer is because the numbers of refugees in this part of the world (Europe) peaked in 2002. Every peak and trough in asylum application counts in Ireland have matched the same for the EU as a whole.

It's like talking about the "homeless crisis" but refusing to look at European/international numbers for comparison or context or what happened the economy in 2007/2008 without looking at what was happening elsewhere. It makes no sense to dismiss what's happening outside Ireland's borders unless promoting a political agenda.

This is nothing to do with your "soft touch" theory; Ireland processes a little over half the number of applications as the EU average based on relative population or nearly a quarter based on GDP - i.e. is in the lowest quintile for applications in Europe - which again is no surprise given Ireland's relative geographical isolation. You sound like a fückin brexiteer with this "famous all over the world as a soft touch", btw.[/quote]

Ok, I believe you. That explains why all the Georgians and Albanians travelled across Europe to claim asylum in Ireland or why the direct provision centre in Longford has loads of Pakistani lads who lived for years in the UK.


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derriz wrote:
It doesn't "ignore" anything - it addressed the question which was why the number of applicants peaked in 2002. The answer is because the numbers of refugees in this part of the world (Europe) peaked in 2002. Every peak and trough in asylum application counts in Ireland have matched the same for the EU as a whole.

It's like talking about the "homeless crisis" but refusing to look at European/international numbers for comparison or context or what happened the economy in 2007/2008 without looking at what was happening elsewhere. It makes no sense to dismiss what's happening outside Ireland's borders unless promoting a political agenda.

This is nothing to do with your "soft touch" theory; Ireland processes a little over half the number of applications as the EU average based on relative population or nearly a quarter based on GDP - i.e. is in the lowest quintile for applications in Europe - which again is no surprise given Ireland's relative geographical isolation. You sound like a fückin brexiteer with this "famous all over the world as a soft touch", btw.


Always good to see someone who knows what he is talking about silence the nonsense :thumbup:


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There isn't really any other option you can come up with.

They're a large minority facing constant discrimination.

You cannot publically champion equality and say it doesn't count for Travellers because they're a pack of cúnts.


:lol: :lol:



The PSNI's semi official designation for travellers is Caravan User, non Tourist. Probably used by other police forces as well.


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It doesn't "ignore" anything - it addressed the question which was why the number of applicants peaked in 2002. The answer is because the numbers of refugees in this part of the world (Europe) peaked in 2002. Every peak and trough in asylum application counts in Ireland have matched the same for the EU as a whole.

It's like talking about the "homeless crisis" but refusing to look at European/international numbers for comparison or context or what happened the economy in 2007/2008 without looking at what was happening elsewhere. It makes no sense to dismiss what's happening outside Ireland's borders unless promoting a political agenda.

This is nothing to do with your "soft touch" theory; Ireland processes a little over half the number of applications as the EU average based on relative population or nearly a quarter based on GDP - i.e. is in the lowest quintile for applications in Europe - which again is no surprise given Ireland's relative geographical isolation. You sound like a fückin brexiteer with this "famous all over the world as a soft touch", btw.


Always good to see someone who knows what he is talking about silence the nonsense :thumbup:


Except he's not and it's not :roll:


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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It doesn't "ignore" anything - it addressed the question which was why the number of applicants peaked in 2002. The answer is because the numbers of refugees in this part of the world (Europe) peaked in 2002. Every peak and trough in asylum application counts in Ireland have matched the same for the EU as a whole.

It's like talking about the "homeless crisis" but refusing to look at European/international numbers for comparison or context or what happened the economy in 2007/2008 without looking at what was happening elsewhere. It makes no sense to dismiss what's happening outside Ireland's borders unless promoting a political agenda.

This is nothing to do with your "soft touch" theory; Ireland processes a little over half the number of applications as the EU average based on relative population or nearly a quarter based on GDP - i.e. is in the lowest quintile for applications in Europe - which again is no surprise given Ireland's relative geographical isolation. You sound like a fückin brexiteer with this "famous all over the world as a soft touch", btw.


Always good to see someone who knows what he is talking about silence the nonsense :thumbup:


Except he's not and it's not :roll:

Correct.

The Immigration Act 2003 allowed Immigration officials to refuse entry and force the airlines that had brought them here to take them back, if the person was not from a designated country.

This stopped the tide of people claiming refugee status in Ireland for a while, until the new ruse of having id papers to board a 'plane and then destroying them either on board or between 'plane and Immigration caught on.

The numbers then increased again, forcing Immigration to move onto the runway, and intercept people before they had touched ground in Ireland. This has again reduced the numbers of people claiming asylum in Ireland.


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Shit talk about comparisons aside until somebody can show me how an asylum seek gets to this country without first landing in a safe one than the numbers are meaningless.

Asylum Seekers are in Ireland because they have chosen to be and that makes comparisons a nonsense.


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Shit talk about comparisons aside until somebody can show me how an asylum seek gets to this country without first landing in a safe one than the numbers are meaningless.

Asylum Seekers are in Ireland because they have chosen to be and that makes comparisons a nonsense.


So all the million asylum seekers who crossed by sea or land must stay in Italy, Greece etc and never go anywhere further? That seem eminently workable and fair to those countries :roll:


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Wrong thread


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sewa wrote:
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Shit talk about comparisons aside until somebody can show me how an asylum seek gets to this country without first landing in a safe one than the numbers are meaningless.

Asylum Seekers are in Ireland because they have chosen to be and that makes comparisons a nonsense.


So all the million asylum seekers who crossed by sea or land must stay in Italy, Greece etc and never go anywhere further? That seem eminently workable and fair to those countries :roll:



Where you trying to make a point? Because you failed utterly.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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Shit talk about comparisons aside until somebody can show me how an asylum seek gets to this country without first landing in a safe one than the numbers are meaningless.

Asylum Seekers are in Ireland because they have chosen to be and that makes comparisons a nonsense.


So all the million asylum seekers who crossed by sea or land must stay in Italy, Greece etc and never go anywhere further? That seem eminently workable and fair to those countries :roll:



Where you trying to make a point? Because you failed utterly.


The Dublin agreement which you are clearly referring to is history, you need to realise this at some point. You also need to understand why, I will keep trying to explain it in the hope you finally get it


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I know that you believe that laws you don't like don't apply to you but some of us do.

Merkel is the one who is finished, not Dublin and not before time.


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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/w ... 97770.html

So...anyone use the red line recently? Is it as bad as I'm picturing?

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A woman's hair was set on fire by a gang of teenage thugs during a night of chaos on the Luas Red line.

Many residents in Dublin's south-central area are said to be afraid to use public transport following almost "daily occurrences" of anti-social behaviour and attacks in the area.

A serious incident was reported on the Luas Red Line on the night of January 11 by the tram's driver while en route to Tallaght.

Luas operator Transdev has since apologised for its security's "unsatisfactory" response time after a passenger's hair was set alight by a number of youths. In a further report, the driver said the teenagers responsible were smoking and making racist comments, which prompted him to call for security again.


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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/womans-hair-is-set-on-fire-by-teenage-gang-amid-daily-reign-of-terror-on-luas-red-line-38897770.html

So...anyone use the red line recently? Is it as bad as I'm picturing?

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A woman's hair was set on fire by a gang of teenage thugs during a night of chaos on the Luas Red line.

Many residents in Dublin's south-central area are said to be afraid to use public transport following almost "daily occurrences" of anti-social behaviour and attacks in the area.

A serious incident was reported on the Luas Red Line on the night of January 11 by the tram's driver while en route to Tallaght.

Luas operator Transdev has since apologised for its security's "unsatisfactory" response time after a passenger's hair was set alight by a number of youths. In a further report, the driver said the teenagers responsible were smoking and making racist comments, which prompted him to call for security again.


time to get cctv cameras on board and beef up (already heavy) security

none of these scrotes have any fear of the law ..... but its all the gubbermints fault Joe


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this is bizarre and troubling .....

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/n ... 98470.html


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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/womans-hair-is-set-on-fire-by-teenage-gang-amid-daily-reign-of-terror-on-luas-red-line-38897770.html

So...anyone use the red line recently? Is it as bad as I'm picturing?

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A woman's hair was set on fire by a gang of teenage thugs during a night of chaos on the Luas Red line.

Many residents in Dublin's south-central area are said to be afraid to use public transport following almost "daily occurrences" of anti-social behaviour and attacks in the area.

A serious incident was reported on the Luas Red Line on the night of January 11 by the tram's driver while en route to Tallaght.

Luas operator Transdev has since apologised for its security's "unsatisfactory" response time after a passenger's hair was set alight by a number of youths. In a further report, the driver said the teenagers responsible were smoking and making racist comments, which prompted him to call for security again.

The contrast between the green line and the bread line has always been hilarious


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Can they just give the Luas security carte blanche to beat the living shit out of the scummers? Seems to be the only solution.


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Only use the red for occasional shopping trips, only minor stuff during the day smoking really bad language etc.


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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/womans-hair-is-set-on-fire-by-teenage-gang-amid-daily-reign-of-terror-on-luas-red-line-38897770.html

So...anyone use the red line recently? Is it as bad as I'm picturing?

Quote:
A woman's hair was set on fire by a gang of teenage thugs during a night of chaos on the Luas Red line.

Many residents in Dublin's south-central area are said to be afraid to use public transport following almost "daily occurrences" of anti-social behaviour and attacks in the area.

A serious incident was reported on the Luas Red Line on the night of January 11 by the tram's driver while en route to Tallaght.

Luas operator Transdev has since apologised for its security's "unsatisfactory" response time after a passenger's hair was set alight by a number of youths. In a further report, the driver said the teenagers responsible were smoking and making racist comments, which prompted him to call for security again.


time to get cctv cameras on board and beef up (already heavy) security

none of these scrotes have any fear of the law ..... but its all the gubbermints fault Joe


Sorry it's not the Governments fault that people don't fear the law now?

What exactly is their responsibility now?


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Can they just give the Luas security carte blanche to beat the living shit out of the scummers? Seems to be the only solution.

They need to be on the luas to administer the beating in the first place.

You'd be surprised how much of a fight a 60kg junkie can put up though. It took three fairly hefty security lads to subdue the one we saw on the luas.


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Can they just give the Luas security carte blanche to beat the living shit out of the scummers? Seems to be the only solution.

They need to be on the luas to administer the beating in the first place.

You'd be surprised how much of a fight a 60kg junkie can put up though. It took three fairly hefty security lads to subdue the one we saw on the luas.

Junkies have incredible durability and pain endurance.


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