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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:07 pm 
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apparently RC Toulon are sending the OTHER bus, Josua Tuisova to LyonFC so that they can afford the Kiwi Bus..A figure of 1 million Euros circulating, which would pay for Savea and keep Toulon within the salary cap...this means this is the last we see of The Bus in international rugby (not that he was good enough anymore) .. the 27 club is real :(


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:09 pm 
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Tuisova is probably better albeit his name is less of a draw.

I thought Moidjdjjdokejejd Bulljjsksjnsjsjmsal said Toulon weren’t throwing money at big names anymore? Giving the club back to the people of Toulon etc.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:09 pm 
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How fat will he get with Toulon?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:10 pm 
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I'd rather Tuisova.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:52 pm 
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I support this move. :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:55 pm 
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no, too fat and slow for NH rugby
keep tuisova :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:23 pm 
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I said this guy was over rated when he was in peak form and got accused of being a racist.

He only ever had physical size - just a big durr.

Give me Rieko Ioane any day.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:27 pm 
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He was class in his pomp. And he was not as 1 D as many claimed him to be.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:13 pm 
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Don't think he was 1D either. Just shocking how he seems to have lost his pace and workrate at such a young age. I had hopes he could recover but putting him out to pasture seems to be the only move. Struggling to make the Canes 23 surely.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:25 pm 
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J Man wrote:
I said this guy was over rated when he was in peak form and got accused of being a racist.

He only ever had physical size - just a big durr.

Give me Rieko Ioane any day.


How long until the latter falls foul of the All Blacks’ no dick-heads policy?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:33 pm 
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It would have to be a nice chunk of change if he does go up North. But he signed a four-year deal in May 2015 that made him one of the highest paid players in New Zealand history, earning an estimated $800,000 a year. Now that is obviously well short of the 1 million Euro's that is being rumoured but I find it hard to believe that even despite his "draw" he'd be worth that amount.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:46 pm 
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He was better than people think back in the day, not merely a bosh merchant.

But it's clear his best days are never to return and seeing as he's got 2 years left on his contract, if Toulon want him they should have to pay a transfer fee.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:44 pm 
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should have a season at the Crusaders first. If anyone can get him back to Beast Mode, it'll be the Crusaders. If that fails then he can take the easy money in Europe


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:22 pm 
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He was good at running over small Argentinians back in the day


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no, too fat and slow for NH rugby


Wouldn’t that make him ideal for boshing?


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He's only 27 and people are talking about him like he's 32 or something.
He should be at his peak.


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He's only 27 and people are talking about him like he's 32 or something.
He should be at his peak.


Have you watched his game for the last few seasons? He's been off the pace and hasn't looked like regaining his previous form.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
He's only 27 and people are talking about him like he's 32 or something.
He should be at his peak.


Have you watched his game for the last few seasons? He's been off the pace and hasn't looked like regaining his previous form.

Honestly no, but has he just been figured out, or are his physical gifts already diminishing this young?


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Floppykid wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
He's only 27 and people are talking about him like he's 32 or something.
He should be at his peak.


Have you watched his game for the last few seasons? He's been off the pace and hasn't looked like regaining his previous form.

Honestly no, but has he just been figured out, or are his physical gifts already diminishing this young?


It's a combination of things I'd say. He doesn't seem to have his head in the game at times, but generally doesn't seem as explosive in contact either - he has lost a half step of pace at least and it's often the case with some wingers that the margins depend on that half step. He was never the most skilled winger - not unskilled by any means, but he didn't have anything close to the skills or vision of the likes of Jane or B Smith or anything close to the fundamentals of Doug Howlett - and with his ability to bust tackles eroded, he didn't have as much to fall back on.


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should have a season at the Crusaders first. If anyone can get him back to Beast Mode, it'll be the Crusaders. If that fails then he can take the easy money in Europe

They wouldn't take him.


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J Man wrote:
I said this guy was over rated when he was in peak form and got accused of being a racist.

He only ever had physical size - just a big durr.

Give me Rieko Ioane any day.


Overrated in his peak? Big call.


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He's just signed staying with Welly for the NPC at least. A sad state of affairs, but I am not convinced he is even up to that. Fresh pastures might be the best thing for him.


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Floppykid wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
He's only 27 and people are talking about him like he's 32 or something.
He should be at his peak.


Have you watched his game for the last few seasons? He's been off the pace and hasn't looked like regaining his previous form.

Honestly no, but has he just been figured out, or are his physical gifts already diminishing this young?


Either his physical gifts have diminished substantially or he is simply not training properly.
He really is a pale imitation of his younger self.
At his best he was one of the very quickest in super rugby despite his size.
Now he just looks like a reasonably mobile prop.


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at some point in his career he should have either decided to

* train to become a centre
* train to become a flanker/number 8
* train to be able to play on either wings

but he continued as he was thus why his career is not what it should be..even other discarded wingers like guildford, rokococo and sivivatu all moved to other positions to remain relevant..more recently upcoming wings like Moala, piutau, duffie, havili, tamanivalu, woodward (who ended up playing for england), NMS all play more than one position so that they can have a crack at not one but many possibly positions in the all blacks, but Julian didn't, he became "too comfortable" on the left wing, he probably should have learned his lessons from the winger before him in Rokocoko...when he did move to right wing, it was too late ..


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Crash_12 wrote:
J Man wrote:
I said this guy was over rated when he was in peak form and got accused of being a racist.

He only ever had physical size - just a big durr.

Give me Rieko Ioane any day.


How long until the latter falls foul of the All Blacks’ no dick-heads policy?

We make lots of allowance for established dickheads ....


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Shouldnt Gilbert Enoka or his equivalent be working with him? He's lost his mojo but he is not the first player to do this and nor will he be the last.


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Shouldnt Gilbert Enoka or his equivalent be working with him? He's lost his mojo but he is not the first player to do this and nor will he be the last.

It's been at least 3 years now ...


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Shouldnt Gilbert Enoka or his equivalent be working with him? He's lost his mojo but he is not the first player to do this and nor will he be the last.

I'd say he's had direction and support from the All Blacks. He was at one of the first "foundation camps" they had early this year where he would've been told what to do and what he needs to work on.


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He's just lost 1% on his agility and that dulls his effectiveness significantly.

I think he is as focused and is training hard but it is not unreasonable to lose 1% of explosiveness and not be able to regain it.

He was only just over the thresholds that made him effective back in the day imo and he never had as much lee way to age as players like Lomu and Howlett had.

In the pool of established All Black wingers in the pro era, he was always nearer the bottom than the top:

1. Jonah Lomu - 63
2. Jeff Wilson - 60
3. Joe Rokocoko - 68
4. Tana Umaga - 74
5. Doug Howlett - 62
6. Ben Smith - 65
7. Cory Jane - 53
8. Sitiveni Sivivatu - 45
9. Julian Savea - 45
10. Rieko Ioane - 14
11. Rico Gear - 19
12. Waisake Naholo - 18
13. Nehe Milner-Skudder - 11
14. Hosea Gear - 14
15. Zac Guildford - 11
16. Caleb Ralph - 14


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:57 am 
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Julian Savea is heading off to France to collect his pension.


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Maybe.

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Former All Black Julian Savea heading to Toulon, according to French media report

Last updated 08:42, June 15 2018

Former All Blacks wing Julian Savea has seen the writing on the wall and is set to join French club Toulon on a two-year deal, according to media reports.

The 27-year-old Hurricanes wing has fallen out of favour with All Blacks coach Steve Hansen since last year's British and Irish Lions tour, and been unwanted since.

He was not included in the 33-strong national squad to meet France in the June series in New Zealand, and a move to France to continue his career would be a sure sign he has accepted his test career is over.

French website RMC Sport has reported the big-money deal which will see Savea move to the club after he finishes his Super Rugby commitments with the Hurricanes. An official announcement is expected out of Toulon soon.

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Savea has scored 46 tries in 54 tests for the All Blacks – sitting a tantalising four tries from Doug Howlett's record haul for the national team.

But he has failed to find the spark in his game that he was challenged to discover by Hansen in this year's Super Rugby competition, and been out-performed by fellow wing Ben Lam who has scored 14 tries in 13 matches.

Savea recently signed to play for the Wellington Lions in this year's national provincial championship and it is not clear whether his French deal would scupper that.

The big wing's lucrative New Zealand Rugby contract runs until the end of next year, so a move to France would require either a buyout or early release.

Toulon owner Mourad Boudjellal is making moves after an unsatisfactory season for the three-time champions of Europe.

Coach Fabien Galthie was sacked and replaced by former Gloucester prop Patrice Collazo, while former All Black Ma'a Nonu and Semi Radradra are both also departing the club. Ex-England wing Chris Ashton has also reportedly told Toulon he wants to leave to pursue a shot at next year's World Cup.

Former All Black Liam Messam is also joining the French club next season, where he will line up alongside fellow New Zealanders Malakia Fekitoa and Alby Mathewson.



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 Post subject: Re: Jules GooOooonnnne!
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Called it last October:

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Even if it doesn't happen now, it's surely going to happen sooner rather than later. I remember thinking last week while watching him for Wellington in the Mitre 10 'Why isn't he playing in Europe at the moment?'. He's on the outskirts of the All Blacks, is still a physical specimen...if he made himself available, I bet he could become the highest paid player in rugby history, even beating Dan Carter's salary.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82351&p=5182751&hilit=savea#p5182751

Was always going to happen.


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More importantly ....

WATERBOY ... Nooooooooo!!!


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Jeff the Bear wrote:
Called it last October:

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Even if it doesn't happen now, it's surely going to happen sooner rather than later. I remember thinking last week while watching him for Wellington in the Mitre 10 'Why isn't he playing in Europe at the moment?'. He's on the outskirts of the All Blacks, is still a physical specimen...if he made himself available, I bet he could become the highest paid player in rugby history, even beating Dan Carter's salary.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82351&p=5182751&hilit=savea#p5182751

Was always going to happen.


What if the dastardly Froggies are lying again?


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kiwigreg369 wrote:
More importantly ....

WATERBOY ... Nooooooooo!!!


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He's taken his time.


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you are too slow Ted

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looks like Josua Tuisova will be heading to Lyon now, shame, French clubs always do this to fijians, overwork them, underpay them and then DUMP them for tier 1 players....but alas most fijians are illiterate and will never understand...


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Ted. wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
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Even if it doesn't happen now, it's surely going to happen sooner rather than later. I remember thinking last week while watching him for Wellington in the Mitre 10 'Why isn't he playing in Europe at the moment?'. He's on the outskirts of the All Blacks, is still a physical specimen...if he made himself available, I bet he could become the highest paid player in rugby history, even beating Dan Carter's salary.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82351&p=5182751&hilit=savea#p5182751

Was always going to happen.


What if the dastardly Froggies are lying again?


Then it's still surely going to happen. Unless he's got some massive ties to NZ, then he could be earning multiples of what he is at the moment if he moves to France. If he only has an outside chance of an AB shirt, then he'd be an idiot to turn down that sort of coin.


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The last bus will depart at....


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Toulon ... :yawn:


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