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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:31 pm 
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Isiekwe had one really poor attempt at clearing a ruck that should, regardless, have been a penalty to England. Having just skipped through the first half again, he makes some good tackles, carries into multiple players and over the gain line for the Brown try, tries to put pressure on FdK a few times (the Daly screwup wouldn't have happened if Slade had been awake and able to put more than a half hearted tackle on his opponent after Isiekwe cut off an option), missed one badly on JLDP, took a lineout (maybe 2, not really what I was paying attention to), scragged a few players when it looked like he might be beaten, and was generally in the first 2-3 people chasing any given opportunity.

On 33 minutes when beaten by JLDP he does look shattered and sort of flops on a ruck, but he's then quick on the chase for a kick off, before being taken off the pitch.

There's nothing there that screams "awful", let alone any worse than some of his colleagues like George, Itoje, Billy, etc.


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It's the tactic and has been for a while.

We surrender the breakdown, it's not just nous. It's every game as well. We choose not to compete and try to fan out, smash and force turnovers.

The issue is, we're a small side comparatively and sides are very good at retaining phase on phase now, which means that tactic is BS and we need to stop doing it.


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Except I just watched us try and compete for the ball at several rucks so, y'know


What we don't do is target players and flood the breakdown with numbers. We target the breakdown when we think it's worthwhile but we rarely commit 3, very rarely more than 3.


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It's the tactic and has been for a while.

We surrender the breakdown, it's not just nous. It's every game as well. We choose not to compete and try to fan out, smash and force turnovers.

The issue is, we're a small side comparatively and sides are very good at retaining phase on phase now, which means that tactic is BS and we need to stop doing it.


That's certainly been our MO for 18 months or so - but I thought that we competed a bit more in the 1st qtr of the game when Curry appeared to be attempting to get turnovers - after that we seemed to regress, or they started clearing us out more effectively and we just stood off.


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So if we surrender the breakdown - which I think is partly a tactic and partly a function of having a back-row running through treacle - and we surrender the line-out and we don't put in big hits, what exactly is the plan defensively?

We're so passive that teams need to do nothing more than fail to drop the ball to eventually score a try, so what are we gaining from this? As we are leaking like a sieve right now whilst not doing anything to make life difficult for the opposition, what is there to lose from a more aggressive defensive approach?

Somehow Gustard and Jones have created a kittenpack that must be a joy to play against. Throw in on your own ten metre line? Never mind, England won't compete. Recycled ineffectually and got an isolated one out runner? Not a problem, England won't target him for a two man choke. Late getting your pack to a ruck? Still time for a cup of tea and a fag. At no point do we make it mildly uncomfortable, much less dangerous to keep the ball.

Even though I hate this approach anyway -and especially as we're constantly exposed for pace on the blind-side- I could almost see it we had superb discipline and we were forcing teams to go through multiple phases whilst resolutely refusing to offer them a cheap three points or a chance to kick to one of those line-outs we don't jump at. Instead, whilst we won't flood a ruck, we will lie on the wrong side of one even if it is about to generate slow ball. We're not prepared to really target a weak runner, but we will hit him late just in front of the touch judge. We absolutely refuse to send two or three forwards to blast away ruck guards, but our one doomed contestant will flop all over the ruck we're about to lose.

It is impossible to watch this team right now and think that it is being coached to maximise its chances of winning test matches.


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Is Englands poor form hitting them financially?
Report in Telegraph that RFU is axing a lot of jobs.

England World cup budget for next year is 30 mill :shock: :shock:


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JM2K6 wrote:
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The decision to take Isiekwe off looked like lunacy to me. I personally thought he was playing well, and the Boks were beginning to win the collisions and get front foot ball – so what on earth possessed Eddie to take one of our biggest players out of the engine room and replace him with a flanker making him debut, I don’t know


You need to watch the game again. Isiekwe abdicated any form of ruck clearing. He made his first completed tackle around the 30 min mark and fell off so many it wasn't funny. He was shockingly bad and the freedom and speed of ruck SA enjoyed was embarassing- people call Launchbury and Cole plodders but by christ they clear out the rucks.


Isiekwe made as many tackles in his brief period on the pitch than most of the England pack managed for their entire time. He missed one.

Sinckler's developed a habit of missing a ton of tackles, and did so again. Robshaw barely did anything of note. Shields decided rucks were his thing but carries and tackles weren't, Curry tried his heart out, Mako took the day off.


JM, he also abdicated loads of tackles or didn't get there, and made very poor decisions regarding committing to clear, defend or cover.

Shields was sent on specifically to hit the rucks- as nobody else was. (as an aside, oh how we missed Dan Cole around the contact area but nobody will agree with me on that)

The paranoia in the England camp is palpable. Last week, EJ announced the team to the players 20 mins before the press announcement- how on earth players can work like that is a mystery.

Also, Ford was mercurial at times and gash at others. They need to focus on the good bits and work a defensive strategy out, maybe BV covering ten in defence as before- although he was blowing out of his arse like a tractor all game.

Robshaw- Faf dK targeted him, simple. The blindside defence was woeful


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The decision to take Isiekwe off looked like lunacy to me. I personally thought he was playing well, and the Boks were beginning to win the collisions and get front foot ball – so what on earth possessed Eddie to take one of our biggest players out of the engine room and replace him with a flanker making him debut, I don’t know


You need to watch the game again. Isiekwe abdicated any form of ruck clearing. He made his first completed tackle around the 30 min mark and fell off so many it wasn't funny. He was shockingly bad and the freedom and speed of ruck SA enjoyed was embarassing- people call Launchbury and Cole plodders but by christ they clear out the rucks.


Isiekwe made as many tackles in his brief period on the pitch than most of the England pack managed for their entire time. He missed one.

Sinckler's developed a habit of missing a ton of tackles, and did so again. Robshaw barely did anything of note. Shields decided rucks were his thing but carries and tackles weren't, Curry tried his heart out, Mako took the day off.


JM, he also abdicated loads of tackles or didn't get there, and made very poor decisions regarding committing to clear, defend or cover.

Shields was sent on specifically to hit the rucks- as nobody else was. (as an aside, oh how we missed Dan Cole around the contact area but nobody will agree with me on that)

The paranoia in the England camp is palpable. Last week, EJ announced the team to the players 20 mins before the press announcement- how on earth players can work like that is a mystery.

Also, Ford was mercurial at times and gash at others. They need to focus on the good bits and work a defensive strategy out, maybe BV covering ten in defence as before- although he was blowing out of his arse like a tractor all game.

Robshaw- Faf dK targeted him, simple. The blindside defence was woeful


Billy isn't fit. You can't play a test with 14 1/2 players- especially with Robshaw also walking in the back row.

How does Gustard fit into this Jake? Our structure and defence is embarrassing.


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Jake wrote:
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The decision to take Isiekwe off looked like lunacy to me. I personally thought he was playing well, and the Boks were beginning to win the collisions and get front foot ball – so what on earth possessed Eddie to take one of our biggest players out of the engine room and replace him with a flanker making him debut, I don’t know


You need to watch the game again. Isiekwe abdicated any form of ruck clearing. He made his first completed tackle around the 30 min mark and fell off so many it wasn't funny. He was shockingly bad and the freedom and speed of ruck SA enjoyed was embarassing- people call Launchbury and Cole plodders but by christ they clear out the rucks.


Isiekwe made as many tackles in his brief period on the pitch than most of the England pack managed for their entire time. He missed one.

Sinckler's developed a habit of missing a ton of tackles, and did so again. Robshaw barely did anything of note. Shields decided rucks were his thing but carries and tackles weren't, Curry tried his heart out, Mako took the day off.


JM, he also abdicated loads of tackles or didn't get there, and made very poor decisions regarding committing to clear, defend or cover.

Shields was sent on specifically to hit the rucks- as nobody else was. (as an aside, oh how we missed Dan Cole around the contact area but nobody will agree with me on that)

The paranoia in the England camp is palpable. Last week, EJ announced the team to the players 20 mins before the press announcement- how on earth players can work like that is a mystery.

Also, Ford was mercurial at times and gash at others. They need to focus on the good bits and work a defensive strategy out, maybe BV covering ten in defence as before- although he was blowing out of his arse like a tractor all game.

Robshaw- Faf dK targeted him, simple. The blindside defence was woeful


Other people were hitting rucks, but we can't afford a passenger like Isiekwe there.

Cole really doesn't do that much in the contact area. He's rarely first man to the ruck, does little more than guard them for the most part, without smacking people. Maybe he'd do more if not beasted in training (he certainly looked more lively for Leicester after the 6N), but Sinckler looks more physical.


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Gustard; I am not sure but I'm getting the impression he's demob happy.


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Jake wrote:
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The decision to take Isiekwe off looked like lunacy to me. I personally thought he was playing well, and the Boks were beginning to win the collisions and get front foot ball – so what on earth possessed Eddie to take one of our biggest players out of the engine room and replace him with a flanker making him debut, I don’t know


You need to watch the game again. Isiekwe abdicated any form of ruck clearing. He made his first completed tackle around the 30 min mark and fell off so many it wasn't funny. He was shockingly bad and the freedom and speed of ruck SA enjoyed was embarassing- people call Launchbury and Cole plodders but by christ they clear out the rucks.


Having watched the first 30 mins again, you're spot on, completely missed it first time around :thumbup:


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Gustard; I am not sure but I'm getting the impression he's demob happy.


I think with all the Wolfpack bollocks the players are supposed to buy into with the wolf hat and the chocolate bars It’ll be difficult to make it work on tour. We leak tries like a sieve.

The concern is that Edwards and gatland can get a wales second string with inferior players at least playing with shape and structure.


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Jake, do you know if the training sessions are still blasting the players, or has Jones gone a bit easier?


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Gustard; I am not sure but I'm getting the impression he's demob happy.


I'M WONDERING HOW GOOd a coach he really is. I don't doubt he has good rugby insights and knowledge. But at the end of the day the RFU have once again not chosen a coach with recent club or tier one success. They never have in the professional era. Eddie Jones got the job based on 1 single result with Japan. Let us not forget he was having ups and downs with their development as well. He last managed a tier one nation successfully over a decade ago and hasn't had top class success as head coach since.


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Jake, do you know if the training sessions are still blasting the players, or has Jones gone a bit easier?


The only inside track I have is from a former England god of war who will remain nameless who visited PHP during the build up and suggested the atmosphere was like a morgue.


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Jake wrote:
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Jake, do you know if the training sessions are still blasting the players, or has Jones gone a bit easier?


The only inside track I have is from a former England god of war who will remain nameless who visited PHP during the build up and suggested the atmosphere was like a morgue.


Wanted to know more about the training in SA, and whether or not fatigue could be an excuse for drop off in performance (on top of altitude).


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I so disagree re Cole. He is very disruptive at rucktime, incredibly strong and slows slows slows things down to his own sloth-like pace.


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Be interesting to see if Eddie has 'lost the dressing room' especially without Hartley around, seems like the Sarries core don't seem to be performing as well for England either.
Regardless of building for the World Cup, we have to stop this losing streak and I think selection will tell a lot. A sensible couple of changes and we have a chance to win and stay in the series.

Mako, George, Williams (prefer Sinks as impact player)
Itoje, Launch
Shields, Curry, Billy
Youngs, Ford
Farrell, Slade
May, Daley(wing), Brown

Genge, LCD, Sinks - all to come on together just after half time
Isiekwe - must have 2nd row cover
Simmonds
Robson
Cips
Lozowski

The selected squad gives real problems as players like Earl and Earle are never going to play and not having a 3rd hooker again rears its head.


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I so disagree re Cole. He is very disruptive at rucktime, incredibly strong and slows slows slows things down to his own sloth-like pace.


He used to be disruptive at ruck time, the win against the ABs in 2012, and all around that time, he was fantastic in that role, but recently? Against France he was involved in 3 defensive ruck, and didn't do anything significant in any of them. Against Scotland he was more active, but only had any real effect on 3 of them (no turnovers). He did nothing coming off the bench against Scotland. Not sure if I did them against Wales or Italy, but I can see against Aus in the autumn he did nothing significant either.

Sorry, but he used to be very disruptive at ruck time for England, but in the last season at least, he really hasn't been.


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Be interesting to see if Eddie has 'lost the dressing room' especially without Hartley around, seems like the Sarries core don't seem to be performing as well for England either.
Regardless of building for the World Cup, we have to stop this losing streak and I think selection will tell a lot. A sensible couple of changes and we have a chance to win and stay in the series.

Mako, George, Williams (prefer Sinks as impact player)
Itoje, Launch
Shields, Curry, Billy
Youngs, Ford
Farrell, Slade
May, Daley(wing), Brown

Genge, LCD, Sinks - all to come on together just after half time
Isiekwe - must have 2nd row cover
Simmonds
Robson
Cips
Lozowski

The selected squad gives real problems as players like Earl and Earle are never going to play and not having a 3rd hooker again rears its head.


Just hope Launch is fit. And Singleton has been shipped out as a 3rd hooker

Don't think Cips and Loz makes sense on the bench. We lose a winger and Brown would have to go to wing.
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England have gone through countless options at 6 in the last 18 months, Wilson has still been the best in the brief opportunities he's been granted imo. Now Shields seems likely to get a go ahead of him...

The selection is so muddled, but it baffling that the analyst/stats guys etc. cant piece a team that compliments each other with players in their specialist positions. We finished the last test with 2 x no.8s 2x no.6s and a second row (who played no.6 throughout the 6nations) as our back-5 how is that in any way considered or progressive selection...


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England have gone through countless options at 6 in the last 18 months, Wilson has still been the best in the brief opportunities he's been granted imo. Now Shields seems likely to get a go ahead of him...

The selection is so muddled, but it baffling that the analyst/stats guys etc. cant piece a team that compliments each other with players in their specialist positions. We finished the last test with 2 x no.8s 2x no.6s and a second row (who played no.6 throughout the 6nations) as our back-5 how is that in any way considered or progressive selection...


Itoje didn't play 6 though the 6n.


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Launchbury likely to miss the game this weekend too, according to Hatley

Jonny Hill to debut? Recall for Isiekwe? Or an out of position start for Shields?


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Launchbury likely to miss the game this weekend too, according to Hatley

Jonny Hill to debut? Recall for Isiekwe? Or an out of position start for Shields?


It would be most unlike EJ to play all the players in their natural positions - maybe he'll surprise us.


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Suspect Launchbury was always going to miss all three games but they're drip feeding it so as not to add fuel to the training ground fire


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Jake wrote:
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The decision to take Isiekwe off looked like lunacy to me. I personally thought he was playing well, and the Boks were beginning to win the collisions and get front foot ball – so what on earth possessed Eddie to take one of our biggest players out of the engine room and replace him with a flanker making him debut, I don’t know


You need to watch the game again. Isiekwe abdicated any form of ruck clearing. He made his first completed tackle around the 30 min mark and fell off so many it wasn't funny. He was shockingly bad and the freedom and speed of ruck SA enjoyed was embarassing- people call Launchbury and Cole plodders but by christ they clear out the rucks.


Isiekwe made as many tackles in his brief period on the pitch than most of the England pack managed for their entire time. He missed one.

Sinckler's developed a habit of missing a ton of tackles, and did so again. Robshaw barely did anything of note. Shields decided rucks were his thing but carries and tackles weren't, Curry tried his heart out, Mako took the day off.


JM, he also abdicated loads of tackles or didn't get there, and made very poor decisions regarding committing to clear, defend or cover.


He did not abdicate loads of tackles. That's crazy talk and completely at odds with what I rewatched last night.

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That's possibly true, but our openside defence saw us get outflanked off largely static ball, what, 3 times for tries?


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Jake wrote:
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Jake, do you know if the training sessions are still blasting the players, or has Jones gone a bit easier?


The only inside track I have is from a former England god of war who will remain nameless who visited PHP during the build up and suggested the atmosphere was like a morgue.


Reminds me of NZ under John Hart in 1998. Fabulous, almost unbeaten run in 1996-97 to five consecutive losses and complete disarray in 1998. Players hated the claustrophobic, smothering environment and couldn't wait to get back to their clubs/provinces.


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Jake, do you know if the training sessions are still blasting the players, or has Jones gone a bit easier?


The only inside track I have is from a former England god of war who will remain nameless who visited PHP during the build up and suggested the atmosphere was like a morgue.


Reminds me of NZ under John Hart in 1998. Fabulous, almost unbeaten run in 1996-97 to five consecutive losses and complete disarray in 1998. Players hated the claustrophobic, smothering environment and couldn't wait to get back to their clubs/provinces.


Swings and roundabouts - Easter came in for a lot of flak after anonymous teammate(s) slagged him off for his jokes in defeat. Some players want banter, some players are a bit less interested in it. Easter is a practical joker type.


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Mail reporting that Shields is likely to start at lock this weekend if Launchbury fails his fitness test

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Not so long ago we all thought England had an embarrassment of riches at lock.


Now it looks like we will be starting an imported no 6 at lock. :(


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Atwood is the perfect guy for this tour.

I hope we haven’t moved on from locks in the backrow to back rows at lock.


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Atwood is the perfect guy for this tour.

I hope we haven’t moved on from locks in the backrow to back rows at lock.

Singleton to end the next test at #8. You heard it here first


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Atwood is the perfect guy for this tour.

I hope we haven’t moved on from locks in the backrow to back rows at lock.

Singleton to end the next test at #8. You heard it here first

All joking aside- he looked really good the other week :thumbup:

Wtf is eddie playing at? It’s as if he’s handicapping the team to test them?


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Not so long ago we all thought England had an embarrassment of riches at lock.


Now it looks like we will be starting an imported no 6 at lock. :(

England do have an embarrassment of riches at lock. With a fit Launch, Kruis and Lawes back in harness we're not looking too shabby. The back five on this tour are certainly an area of concern though especially since those are positions of strength for South Africa. If we're not 0 for 2 after the weekend I will be pleasantly surprised.

In Eddie we.. .erm...


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*****THE OFFICIAL ENGLISH RUGBY THREAD*****

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HEAD COACH/ATTACK COACH: EDDIE JONES
ASSISTANT HEAD COACH/FORWARDS COACH: STEVE BORTHWICK Image
ASSISTANT HEAD COACH/DEFENCE COACH: PAUL GUSTARD


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ENGLISH EPS SQUAD DEPTH:

Forwards:

Loosehead Prop:
1. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 27 Years Old, 46 Caps) ImageImage Image
2. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 27 Years Old, 53 Caps) ImageImage
3. Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 23 Years Old, 5 Caps)
4. Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 24 Years Old, 2 Caps)
5. Beno Obano (Bath Rugby, 23 Years Old, 0 Caps)

Tighthead Prop:
1. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 30 Years Old, 79 Caps) ImageImage Image
2. Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 26 Years Old, 7 Caps)
3. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 23 Years Old, 7 Caps) Image
4. Henry Thomas (Bath Rugby, 26 Years Old, 7 Caps)
5. Jake Cooper-Wolley (Wasps, 28 Years Old, 0 Caps)

Hooker:
1. Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 31 Years Old, 91 Caps) Image Image
2. Jamie George (Saracens, 27 Years Old, 22 Caps) ImageImage
3. Tom Dunn (Bath Rugby, 25 Years Old, 0 Caps)
4. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 24 Years Old, 6 Caps)
5. Tommy Taylor (Wasps, 26 Years Old, 1 Cap)

Locks:
1. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 26 Years Old, 49 Caps) Image
2. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 23 Years Old, 16 Caps) Image
3. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 28 Years Old, 63 Caps) ImageImage
4. George Kruis (Saracens, 27 Years Old, 23 Caps) ImageImage
5. Nick Isiekwe (Saracens, 19 Years Old, 2 Caps)

Blindside Flanker:
1. Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 31 Years Old, 61 Caps) Image
2. Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 20 Years Old, 5 Caps)
3. James Chisholm (Harlequins, 22 Years Old, U20 Capped)
4. Ben Curry (Sale Sharks, 19 Years Old, U20 Capped)
5. Jack Willis (Wasps, 21 Years Old, U20 Capped)

Openside Flanker
1. Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, 21 Years Old, 5 Caps)
2. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 19 Years Old, 1 Cap)
3. James Haskell (Wasps, 32 Years Old, 77 Caps) Image Image
4. Gary Graham (Newcastle Falcons, 25 Years Old, 0 Caps)
5. Jack Clifford (Harlequins, 24 Years Old, 7 Caps)

No 8/3rd Rower:
1. Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 25 Years Old, 38 Caps) Image
2. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 26 Years Old, 12 Caps)
3. Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby, 20 Years Old, U20 Capped)
4. Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby, 28 Years Old, 31 Caps)
5. Sam Moore (Sale Sharks, 19 Years Old, U20 Capped)

Backs:

Scrum Half:
1. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 28 Years Old, 76 Caps) Image Image
2. Danny Care (Harlequins, 31 Years Old, 78 Caps) Image
3. Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens, 34 Years Old, 28 Caps)
4. Ben Vellacott (Gloucester Rugby, 22 Years Old, 0 Capped)
5. Dan Robson (Wasps, 26 Years Old, Saxons Capped)

Fly Half/1st 5/8s:
1. George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 24 Years Old, 42 Caps) Image
2. Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 19 Years Old, U18 Capped)
3. Danny Cipriani (London Wasps, 30 Years Old, 14 Caps)
4. Freddie Burns (Bath Rugby, 28 Years Old, 10 Caps)
5. Billy Burns (Gloucester Rugby, 24 Years Old, U20 Capped)

Inside Centre/2nd 5/8s:
1. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 26 Years Old, 55 Caps) ImageImage Image
2. Ben Te'o (Worcester Warriors, 31 Years Old, 10 Caps)
3. Alex Lozowski (Saracens, 24 Years Old, 4 Caps)
4. Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 27 Years Old, 3 Caps)
5. Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 24 Years Old, 0 Caps)

Outside Centre:
1. Jonathan Joseph (Bath, 26 Years Old, 37 Caps) Image Image
2. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 25 Years Old, 10 Caps) Image
3. Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 27 Years Old, 27 Caps) Image
4. Nick Tompkins (Saracens, 22 Years Old, Saxons Capped)
5. Joe Marchant (Harlequins, 21 Years Old, U20 Capped)

Winger:
1. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 24 Years Old, 30 Caps) ImageImage
2. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 25 Years Old, 19 Caps) Image
3. Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 27 Years Old, 31 Caps)
4. Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 24 Years Old, 25 Caps) ImageImage
5. Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 24 Years Old, 2 Caps)

Full Back:
1. Mike Brown (Harlequins, 32 Years Old, 66 Caps) Image
2. Alex Goode (Saracens, 30 Years Old, 21 Caps) Image
3. Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints, 21 Years Old, U20 Capped)
4. Mike Haley (Sale Sharks, 23 Years Old, 0 Caps)
5. Ben Foden (Northampton Saints, 32 Years Old, 34 Caps)

The Kit

Home:
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Away:
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Twickenham Stadium

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Stadium Capacity: 82,000

Stadium Nickname: HQ

History:


World Cup History:

1987: Quarter Final
1991: 2nd
1995: 4th
1999: Quarter Final
2003: 1st
2007: 2nd
2011: Quarter Final
2015: Group Stages
2019:

Six Nations History:

Entered: 121
Overall: 28 Titles
Home Nations: 5
Five Nations: 17
Six Nations: 6

Grand Slams: 13 (1st)
Triple Crowns: 25 (1st)
Wooden Spoons: 25 (3rd)

Last Grand Slam: 2016
Overall 6Ns Ranking: 1st

Records vs 6Ns:

Wales (Played 131, Won 62, Lost 57, Drawn 12, 47% Win rate)
France (Played 103, Won 57, Lost 39, Drawn 7, 55% Win rate)
Ireland (Played 131, Won 76, Lost 48, Drawn 8, 58% Win rate)
Scotland (Played 135, Won 75, Lost 42, Drawn 18, 55% Win rate)
Italy (Played 24, Won 24, Lost 0, Drawn 0, 100% Win rate)

Records vs 4Ns:

Argentina (Played 23, Won 18, Lost 4, Drawn 1, 78% Win rate)
Australia (Played 49, Won 23, Lost 25, Drawn 1, 47% Win rate)
New Zealand (Played 40, Won 7, Lost 32, Drawn 1, 17.5% Win rate)
South Africa (Played 38, Won 13, Lost 23, Drawn 2, 34% Win rate)

England Under 20s Records:

Under 20 6 Nations (Ranked 1st Overall):

Grand Slam - 2008, 2011, 2017
1st - 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017
2nd - 2010, 2014
3rd - 2009
5th - 2016

Junior World Rugby Championship (Ranked 2nd Overall):
World Champions - 2013, 2014, 2016
2nd - 2008, 2009, 2011,2015, 2017
4th - 2010
7th - 2012

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ENGLAND 2018 FIXTURE LIST:

February 2018:
Sunday 4th February 15:00 - Italy 15-46 England, Stadio Olympico
Saturday 10th February 16:45 - England 12-6 Wales, Twickenham Stadium
Saturday 24th February 16:45 - Scotland v England, Murrayfield

March 2018:
Saturday 10th March 16:45 - France v England, Stade de France
Saturday 17th March 14:45 - England v Ireland, Twickenham Stadium

June 2018:
TBC: South Africa vs England
TBC: South Africa vs England
TBC: South Africa vs England

November 2018:
3rd November TBC - England vs South Africa, Twickenham Stadium
10th November TBC - England vs New Zealand, Twickenham Stadium
17th November TBC - England vs Japan, Twickenham Stadium
24th November TBC - England vs Australia, Twickenham Stadium

IRB World Rankings:

1. New Zealand 93.99
2. England 90.87
3. Ireland 86.86
4. Australia 85.49
5. South Africa 83.81
6. Wales 83.43
7. Scotland 82.94
8. Argentina 78.22
9. Fiji 77.93
10. France 77.43
11. Japan 75.66
12. Georgia 73.46
13. Tonga 71.87
14. Italy 71.25
15. Romania 69.58
16. Samoa 69.03
17. USA 66.92
18. Uruguay 66.92
19. Spain 63.26
20. Russia 62.88

Strange 5 years


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:10 am 
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DragsterDriver wrote:
Atwood is the perfect guy for this tour.

I hope we haven’t moved on from locks in the backrow to back rows at lock.
Yes. Yes we have. <facepalm>
Quote:
Brad Shields is on course for a place in England’s starting XV with Joe Launchbury’s prospects of being fit for a comeback in the second Test fading.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... eting.html


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:20 am 
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Not sure what seems stranger. Brits called out of retirement or May talking about Chaos Theory


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:00 am 
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Thankfully I'll be playing cricket on Sat and won't have to watch another of Eddie's 'tactical masterclasses'.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:09 am 
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openclashXX wrote:
Mail reporting that Shields is likely to start at lock this weekend if Launchbury fails his fitness test

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Any excuse for gifting Robslow another 25k match fee. Move his competition to lock.


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