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England with the 2 starting wingers for the Lions.

Who'd have thought that ?!

George starting, Hartley off form

Surely not reasonable for Hartley to remain as starter


Is Hartley off form?

I doubt Eddie gives a wet shit what Gatland thinks about the pecking order tbh.


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England with the 2 starting wingers for the Lions.

Who'd have thought that ?!

George starting, Hartley off form

Surely not reasonable for Hartley to remain as starter


Is Hartley off form?

I doubt Eddie gives a wet shit what Gatland thinks about the pecking order tbh.


Agreed, think Eddie likes his finishers too so until another hooker proves they can offer impact off the bench he could leave George there...

Daly and Watson are probs our first choice wings, Teo starting is interesting but it's not like ford and Farrell aren't in good form either. All nice options for him to have really


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Hilarious Sale Sharks statement on the Denny Saga :lol:

http://www.salesharks.com/news/5197.php#.WUrQ8WjyuUk


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Sale Sharks and Denny Solomona are delighted that the court case with Castleford Tigers has been resolved on favourable terms.



The settlement sum accepted by Castleford is effectively the same £200,000 figure initially offered by Sale last year, with a small amount added for interest. Given that a potentially sizeable proportion of the legal costs may not be recoverable from Sale, it is inevitable that Castleford's net position will be significantly lower than that £200,000 figure offered last year.

The last 10 months have therefore been nothing more than an unnecessary distraction, and the court case has achieved nothing other than wasted time and legal fees for all involved. Castleford issued proceedings prematurely, in a hail of publicity, seeking in excess of £500,000 damages and with a purported desire to fight this case for the good of Rugby League. This settlement proves that this was not the case. There has been no ruling at all and this case does not set a precedent for future dealings between Rugby League and Rugby Union. If that was Castleford's desire, they have failed to provide any clarity at all for other Rugby League clubs, which suggests that their primary, if not only, motivation was to get monetary compensation. Even so, they will receive approximately 40% of the sum they hoped for.

Sale Sharks and Denny were quite willing to let the case run to trial, confident that they had done nothing wrong. There was an assumption (put forward by Castleford in the media) that Denny was in breach of his contract, yet there was evidence to show that he was treated unprofessionally by Castleford and Denny maintains that the club forced him into a position where his only future was in a different sport.

In the end, however, settlement of the dispute allows Sale Sharks and Denny to concentrate solely on playing rugby and to prepare for what is sure to be an exciting and, hopefully, successful season. The parties were looking to send a joint press statement, but the fact that Castleford jumped the gun with their own press release suggests that they have sought to put a positive spin on what is clearly a meagre result.

Neither Sale Sharks nor Denny will be making any further comment on this matter."

Marc Yaffe head of commercial litigation at JMW Solicitors, who represented Sale Sharks, Denny Solomona along with his colleague Claire Brown, said:

"We are pleased to have secured an extremely successful outcome for all of our clients and now Sale Sharks and Denny Solomona can fully focus on their preparations for the forthcoming season. In my opinion, this case could and should have been resolved without the need for legal proceedings. We will be making submissions in that regard when we look at legal fees unnecessarily incurred. It has been a pleasure to work with Steve Diamond and Simon Orange at Sale Sharks, as they and Denny Solomona have been consummate professionals throughout the legal process."


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:11 pm 
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Ha, take that, Cas.


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That's pretty good. Their media stuff is usually pretty amusing. Diamond with the, 'JOC and De Klerk? Complete and utter rubbish, no idea where this rumour came from', a few months before they were confirmed was another highlight

Edit - Also neglects to mention that the settlement amount is 4x what they originally offered


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
le chat wrote:
armchair pundit wrote:
England with the 2 starting wingers for the Lions.

Who'd have thought that ?!

George starting, Hartley off form

Surely not reasonable for Hartley to remain as starter


Is Hartley off form?

I doubt Eddie gives a wet shit what Gatland thinks about the pecking order tbh.

I think he is far inferior to George now


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:30 pm 
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Hilarious Sale Sharks statement on the Denny Saga :lol:

http://www.salesharks.com/news/5197.php#.WUrQ8WjyuUk


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Sale Sharks and Denny Solomona are delighted that the court case with Castleford Tigers has been resolved on favourable terms.



The settlement sum accepted by Castleford is effectively the same £200,000 figure initially offered by Sale last year, with a small amount added for interest. Given that a potentially sizeable proportion of the legal costs may not be recoverable from Sale, it is inevitable that Castleford's net position will be significantly lower than that £200,000 figure offered last year.

The last 10 months have therefore been nothing more than an unnecessary distraction, and the court case has achieved nothing other than wasted time and legal fees for all involved. Castleford issued proceedings prematurely, in a hail of publicity, seeking in excess of £500,000 damages and with a purported desire to fight this case for the good of Rugby League. This settlement proves that this was not the case. There has been no ruling at all and this case does not set a precedent for future dealings between Rugby League and Rugby Union. If that was Castleford's desire, they have failed to provide any clarity at all for other Rugby League clubs, which suggests that their primary, if not only, motivation was to get monetary compensation. Even so, they will receive approximately 40% of the sum they hoped for.

Sale Sharks and Denny were quite willing to let the case run to trial, confident that they had done nothing wrong. There was an assumption (put forward by Castleford in the media) that Denny was in breach of his contract, yet there was evidence to show that he was treated unprofessionally by Castleford and Denny maintains that the club forced him into a position where his only future was in a different sport.

In the end, however, settlement of the dispute allows Sale Sharks and Denny to concentrate solely on playing rugby and to prepare for what is sure to be an exciting and, hopefully, successful season. The parties were looking to send a joint press statement, but the fact that Castleford jumped the gun with their own press release suggests that they have sought to put a positive spin on what is clearly a meagre result.

Neither Sale Sharks nor Denny will be making any further comment on this matter."

Marc Yaffe head of commercial litigation at JMW Solicitors, who represented Sale Sharks, Denny Solomona along with his colleague Claire Brown, said:

"We are pleased to have secured an extremely successful outcome for all of our clients and now Sale Sharks and Denny Solomona can fully focus on their preparations for the forthcoming season. In my opinion, this case could and should have been resolved without the need for legal proceedings. We will be making submissions in that regard when we look at legal fees unnecessarily incurred. It has been a pleasure to work with Steve Diamond and Simon Orange at Sale Sharks, as they and Denny Solomona have been consummate professionals throughout the legal process."

very unclassy by Sale


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I get the impression that they are mocking Rugby League, which I find very distasteful and a poor way to talk about the grand old game.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:41 pm 
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armchair pundit wrote:
England with the 2 starting wingers for the Lions.

Who'd have thought that ?!

I thought Daly had a chance, but didn't think Watson was in the best of test form towards the end of the 6N (hopeless v Ireland in particular). Watson has had a great tour though.

In terms of England, it's a chance for EJ to see George start a test, and to see how the Farrell-Te'o combination fares at test level (as well as Te'o start a test at 12).


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Watson was poor in Dublin but to be fair to him he was fresh back from injury, same as the situation with Billy V


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polyallstar wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
le chat wrote:
armchair pundit wrote:
England with the 2 starting wingers for the Lions.

Who'd have thought that ?!

George starting, Hartley off form

Surely not reasonable for Hartley to remain as starter


Is Hartley off form?

I doubt Eddie gives a wet shit what Gatland thinks about the pecking order tbh.


Agreed, think Eddie likes his finishers too so until another hooker proves they can offer impact off the bench he could leave George there...

Daly and Watson are probs our first choice wings, Teo starting is interesting but it's not like ford and Farrell aren't in good form either. All nice options for him to have really


Potentially. That's why it was such a shame both LCD and Taylor missed the Argentina tour. Hartley was crap in the loose (as usual) and even his lineouts weren't perfect.

I can think of at least two promising moves that died solely because Hartley's carrying was so bad.


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Quins have signed Francis Saili, which should hopefully see Hopper relegated to captaining the A team for the rest of his contract.


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Quins have signed Francis Saili, which should hopefully see Hopper relegated to captaining the A team for the rest of his contract.


er, you may have missed this from April...

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Harlequins centre Matt Hopper will leave the Premiership club at the end of the season to join French second-tier side Oyonnax.

Hopper has made 112 appearances for Harlequins since joining the club from Championship side Cornish Pirates.

The 32-year-old has played in 12 games this season, scoring his only try in a win over Bristol Rugby in February.

"I leave with a heavy heart and a head full of great memories," he told the club website.

"The chance to continue my career and make a change was something I could not pass up at this stage and I look forward to what the future holds."


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Very poor from Sale, completely unnecessary.


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Hilarious Sale Sharks statement on the Denny Saga :lol:

http://www.salesharks.com/news/5197.php#.WUrQ8WjyuUk


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Sale Sharks and Denny Solomona are delighted that the court case with Castleford Tigers has been resolved on favourable terms.



The settlement sum accepted by Castleford is effectively the same £200,000 figure initially offered by Sale last year, with a small amount added for interest. Given that a potentially sizeable proportion of the legal costs may not be recoverable from Sale, it is inevitable that Castleford's net position will be significantly lower than that £200,000 figure offered last year.

The last 10 months have therefore been nothing more than an unnecessary distraction, and the court case has achieved nothing other than wasted time and legal fees for all involved. Castleford issued proceedings prematurely, in a hail of publicity, seeking in excess of £500,000 damages and with a purported desire to fight this case for the good of Rugby League. This settlement proves that this was not the case. There has been no ruling at all and this case does not set a precedent for future dealings between Rugby League and Rugby Union. If that was Castleford's desire, they have failed to provide any clarity at all for other Rugby League clubs, which suggests that their primary, if not only, motivation was to get monetary compensation. Even so, they will receive approximately 40% of the sum they hoped for.

Sale Sharks and Denny were quite willing to let the case run to trial, confident that they had done nothing wrong. There was an assumption (put forward by Castleford in the media) that Denny was in breach of his contract, yet there was evidence to show that he was treated unprofessionally by Castleford and Denny maintains that the club forced him into a position where his only future was in a different sport.

In the end, however, settlement of the dispute allows Sale Sharks and Denny to concentrate solely on playing rugby and to prepare for what is sure to be an exciting and, hopefully, successful season. The parties were looking to send a joint press statement, but the fact that Castleford jumped the gun with their own press release suggests that they have sought to put a positive spin on what is clearly a meagre result.

Neither Sale Sharks nor Denny will be making any further comment on this matter."

Marc Yaffe head of commercial litigation at JMW Solicitors, who represented Sale Sharks, Denny Solomona along with his colleague Claire Brown, said:

"We are pleased to have secured an extremely successful outcome for all of our clients and now Sale Sharks and Denny Solomona can fully focus on their preparations for the forthcoming season. In my opinion, this case could and should have been resolved without the need for legal proceedings. We will be making submissions in that regard when we look at legal fees unnecessarily incurred. It has been a pleasure to work with Steve Diamond and Simon Orange at Sale Sharks, as they and Denny Solomona have been consummate professionals throughout the legal process."

very unclassy by Sale

So Sale paying £100k towards Castlefords legal fees and all of their own this has cost Sale well north of £400k yet they feel they are slagging off Castleford and claiming they were happy to take it to trial :lol:


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Do you reckon Kruis can become our POC, or the next MJ, at all? He's already showing signs of it. Gatland named dropped him as a leader in the pack, he is imperious in the lineout, a brute in the physical stuff, carries well, is everywhere....Hope he stays injury free.


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Doesn't seem to have the same sort of leadership - Itoje and Launchbury are ahead of him there. Quality lieutenant though.


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I thought Maro is the next great white hope and lions captain in waiting for our 2nd row?

(not that Kruis isn't immense but Maro has the hype at the moment)


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Doesn't seem to have the same sort of leadership - Itoje and Launchbury are ahead of him there. Quality lieutenant though.


Seems to be barking orders a fair bit. He's vocal.


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I thought Maro is the next great white hope and lions captain in waiting for our 2nd row?

(not that Kruis isn't immense but Maro has the hype at the moment)


do yous not think we're a little............white...for jazz ?


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Yep, just love Kruis. The English are bullshitting about Launchbury as the new Richard Hill, but this man is better. What a lock forward. Just a machine that keeps going.



He's been having similar praises from other non-English posters. Not that that's gospel, or anything, just shows how noticeable he is even to outsiders.


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Do you reckon Kruis can become our POC, or the next MJ, at all? He's already showing signs of it. Gatland named dropped him as a leader in the pack, he is imperious in the lineout, a brute in the physical stuff, carries well, is everywhere....Hope he stays injury free.


Who was the last England player to captain the Lions? Did Vickery do a mid-week game?


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Doesn't seem to have the same sort of leadership - Itoje and Launchbury are ahead of him there. Quality lieutenant though.


Seems to be barking orders a fair bit. He's vocal.


Not actually talking about that (most players now are vocal, it's a core part of the game). I just see Maro and Launch doing the "follow me" bit more often, where they take the game by the scruff of the neck even if the side is in trouble a bit.


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Doesn't seem to have the same sort of leadership - Itoje and Launchbury are ahead of him there. Quality lieutenant though.


Seems to be barking orders a fair bit. He's vocal.


Not actually talking about that (most players now are vocal, it's a core part of the game). I just see Maro and Launch doing the "follow me" bit more often, where they take the game by the scruff of the neck even if the side is in trouble a bit.


Launch, certainly. I'd put Kruis close, though, personally. Seems to carry a lot in traffic, and hit rucks like mad.


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Hawk97 wrote:
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Doesn't seem to have the same sort of leadership - Itoje and Launchbury are ahead of him there. Quality lieutenant though.


Seems to be barking orders a fair bit. He's vocal.


Not actually talking about that (most players now are vocal, it's a core part of the game). I just see Maro and Launch doing the "follow me" bit more often, where they take the game by the scruff of the neck even if the side is in trouble a bit.


Launch, certainly. I'd put Kruis close, though, personally. Seems to carry a lot in traffic, and hit rucks like mad.


Maro has captained at every level but England no? Led Saracens a few times in the Anglo-Welsh? Won a JRWC.


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Doesn't seem to have the same sort of leadership - Itoje and Launchbury are ahead of him there. Quality lieutenant though.


Seems to be barking orders a fair bit. He's vocal.


Not actually talking about that (most players now are vocal, it's a core part of the game). I just see Maro and Launch doing the "follow me" bit more often, where they take the game by the scruff of the neck even if the side is in trouble a bit.


Launch, certainly. I'd put Kruis close, though, personally. Seems to carry a lot in traffic, and hit rucks like mad.


Maro has captained at every level but England no? Led Saracens a few times in the Anglo-Welsh? Won a JRWC.


Yeah. OK, Maro is made of the stuff as well. But back to Kruis: Not feeling it? I think he's our best lock, for a start, and is your quintessential big, nasty lock that POC and MJ were.


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Not really doubting him as a player, just don't think he'll be as totemic as MJ was.


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OK. Is he showing any signs of it, at all, to you?


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Needs a season as undisputed first choice for England I think. We're in a position where all 4 of our main locks can be talked up :lol:


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we've never been in a better position when it comes to our locks.


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guys like Itoje and Launch have been hyped since they were at age-grade level but people are still gradually readjusting their opinions of Kruis from being a club-level bloke to someone that can do a very good job at international level. it wasn't all that long ago that Kruis was mentioned in the same sort of breath as players like Slater, Kitchener etc and even after his debut vs NZ in 2014 where he missed a few tackles there was general scepticism about his future

I don't think we should underestimate or downplay the English attention to detail at lineout time, it's easily one of the strongest parts of our game and something that gives us a real edge over nearly every other team in the world. Kruis brings this in the same way that Parling did back in 2013


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guys like Itoje and Launch have been hyped since they were at age-grade level but people are still gradually readjusting their opinions of Kruis from being a club-level bloke to someone that can do a very good job at international level. it wasn't all that long ago that Kruis was mentioned in the same sort of breath as players like Slater, Kitchener etc and even after his debut vs NZ in 2014 where he missed a few tackles there was general scepticism about his future

I don't think we should underestimate or downplay the English attention to detail at lineout time, it's easily one of the strongest parts of our game and something that gives us a real edge over nearly every other team in the world. Kruis brings this in the same way that Parling did back in 2013


Kruis is one hell of a player and, whilst not as naturally talented as Itoje, it is Kruis who has developed most over the past year, imo. He is developing real authority and I would be surprised if he isn't a leader in the England pack all the way through to Japan and beyond.


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Eddie's made a few comments in the past about us lacking leaders, I don't think that's the case now and Kruis is absolutely part of that group.


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I think it's a toughie having our captain as lock given how close they all are. We're fortunate enough to have four world-class locks... it's insane. So the relative differences between whomever we pick and the bench (say) is only marginal. Harder to establish a captain from such a narrow margin of competence.

Whereas I'd say Farrell is head and shoulders our most leaderlike back, and also the first name on the teamsheet in terms of backs. Whether he plays at 10 or 12 is secondary, he's written down.

After Hartley is stepped aside, I'd hope Faz is given the armband.


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Nah, Mike Brown :thumbup:


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Nah, Mike Brown :thumbup:


Nowell's the new Brown :)


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Nah - need someone guaranteed of their place at the world cup 8)


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Nah - need someone guaranteed of their place at the world cup 8)


Brown throws a few nice passes and offloads in a test match and look who starts crowing again, sickening :x


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:lol: I'm just hoping to make a few people a bit less cheerful with the idea he'll be England's first choice for the next 2 years


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All we want is a team of Mikey Browns...


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