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I know this will get shot down in flames, but I will put it out there. Does Simmonds have the gas to play at inside centre ? Or Joe Coka for that matter. I can't see Manu staying fit for long enough. Simmonds isn't an international 8 but could see him in a back row with say Billy and Rhodes or Willis.


If you want someone get get over the gainline and not be relied upon to play like a footballing centre, why not just go with someone who actually plays inside centre, like Barritt or Sam Hill? Would even go Burrell or Banahan before trying to convert a flanker at this stage in his career.

Mallinder has the size...


Devoto and Mills are big guys, too. Plenty of much better options than taking an outstanding back rower and moving him to a completely unfamiliar position in the hope that having learned the role over a couple of seasons he might turn out to be a marginally better option than the number of other guys who already play there. For the few years he'd have left in his career (he turns 24 this year).


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I know this will get shot down in flames, but I will put it out there. Does Simmonds have the gas to play at inside centre ? Or Joe Coka for that matter. I can't see Manu staying fit for long enough. Simmonds isn't an international 8 but could see him in a back row with say Billy and Rhodes or Willis.


If you want someone get get over the gainline and not be relied upon to play like a footballing centre, why not just go with someone who actually plays inside centre, like Barritt or Sam Hill? Would even go Burrell or Banahan before trying to convert a flanker at this stage in his career.

Mallinder has the size...


Devoto and Mills are big guys, too. Plenty of much better options than taking an outstanding back rower and moving him to a completely unfamiliar position in the hope that having learned the role over a couple of seasons he might turn out to be a marginally better option than the number of other guys who already play there. For the few years he'd have left in his career (he turns 24 this year).


/Burgess.

Simmonds would be just fine in a balanced back row.


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Simmonds was playing against a very limited team but he's quick & works hard. Test rugby 7 for me. Over to Yoda to sort out his selectorial turd-fest & develop game-smart players who can adapt to play as a unit.

As for whichever plum listed pea heart Mallinder :evil: for 12 please may you burn in the fires of hell..........


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Simmonds was playing against a very limited team but he's quick & works hard. Test rugby 7 for me. Over to Yoda to sort out his selectorial turd-fest & develop game-smart players who can adapt to play as a unit.

As for whichever plum listed pea heart Mallinder :evil: for 12 please may you burn in the fires of hell..........


I don't get these calls for Simmonds at 7 for England. England's problems are that they don't have a specialist openside or breakdown expert. Why move a player to 7 who provides neither quality?

A good summary of how Eddie Jones' England have broken down due to the absence of quality breakdown work is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guOQ9jkvdho


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Simmonds needs to develop those skills to go with his current set to be considered for test rugby 7 as we don't have a 7 & Yoda wants one & we've just been bummed big time for not having one then he needs to develop one.
Agree its not the only issue he's got hence selectorial turd-fest...............


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Bristol to be rebranded Bristol Bears apparently.

Suggestions Gloucester could do likewise but as the Gloucester Lions

source: that RugbyInsideLine plum on twitter


That's going to make your usual holiday googling tougher, no?


:lol:


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If Simmonds was to go to 7, with Billy at 8, someone like Jack Willis could balance out the backrow at 6. Then you have tight and wide carriers, link options, ability at the breakdown both in attack and defence, mobility in defence etc.

Willis used much at the lineout for Wasps? You could just have the lifters throw Simmonds into the air and wait for him to come back down with the ball...


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If Simmonds was to go to 7, with Billy at 8, someone like Jack Willis could balance out the backrow at 6. Then you have tight and wide carriers, link options, ability at the breakdown both in attack and defence, mobility in defence etc.

Willis used much at the lineout for Wasps? You could just have the lifters throw Simmonds into the air and wait for him to come back down with the ball...


Has Simmonds actually shown that much ability at the ruck though? Not just turnover ball, but securing ball.


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If Simmonds was to go to 7, with Billy at 8, someone like Jack Willis could balance out the backrow at 6. Then you have tight and wide carriers, link options, ability at the breakdown both in attack and defence, mobility in defence etc.

Willis used much at the lineout for Wasps? You could just have the lifters throw Simmonds into the air and wait for him to come back down with the ball...


Has Simmonds actually shown that much ability at the ruck though? Not just turnover ball, but securing ball.


There's only on way to find out. You got several hours to spare?


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If Simmonds was to go to 7, with Billy at 8, someone like Jack Willis could balance out the backrow at 6. Then you have tight and wide carriers, link options, ability at the breakdown both in attack and defence, mobility in defence etc.

Willis used much at the lineout for Wasps? You could just have the lifters throw Simmonds into the air and wait for him to come back down with the ball...


Has Simmonds actually shown that much ability at the ruck though? Not just turnover ball, but securing ball.


There's only on way to find out. You got several hours to spare?


I actually thought we might want to wait for Exeter vs Wasps in the playoffs (hopefully).

I've got some numbers on him from the last 3 internationals though.


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Play off game would probably make sense. Certainly higher pressure rugby than the weekend


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On our attacking ball Simmonds could comfortably support play and secure ball- which is what the hask does, more the securing ball obvs. Nowhere near robshaws quality over their ball, but robshaw is too slow to get there so that’s a mute point.


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Simmonds was playing against a very limited team but he's quick & works hard. Test rugby 7 for me. Over to Yoda to sort out his selectorial turd-fest & develop game-smart players who can adapt to play as a unit.

As for whichever plum listed pea heart Mallinder :evil: for 12 please may you burn in the fires of hell..........


:lol: ... notice I put his name separate and only indicated that he has the size. He's obviously no 36, and that's saying something.


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The mutes normally hail from Leicester not Quins


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Bristol to be rebranded Bristol Bears apparently.

Suggestions Gloucester could do likewise but as the Gloucester Lions

source: that RugbyInsideLine plum on twitter


That's going to make your usual holiday googling tougher, no?


:lol:


Major announcement due at 1pm ... :shock:


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JM2K6 wrote:
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Bristol to be rebranded Bristol Bears apparently.

Suggestions Gloucester could do likewise but as the Gloucester Lions

source: that RugbyInsideLine plum on twitter


That's going to make your usual holiday googling tougher, no?


:lol: You twat!


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Exeter Athletic.


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Bristol to be rebranded Bristol Bears apparently.

Suggestions Gloucester could do likewise but as the Gloucester Lions

source: that RugbyInsideLine plum on twitter


That's going to make your usual holiday googling tougher, no?


:lol: You twat!


:lol:

Though, interesting that was the first thing that came to mind for JM...


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Bristol Bears :lol: :lol:


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Saracens have decided they don't want to play in front of supporters apparently. Lots of people going from 660 for a season ticket to 1030!

Wray doesn't want to support the club that much apparently!


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Nigel Wray to call for salary cap moderation in 2019.

Here, first.


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Bristol should have rebranded themselves as the Bristol Brabazons. Over expensive project using outdated methods doomed to failure.

Bristol Bears :lol: Winding up the Briz fans in my office has been great


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Jack "glass cannon" Clifford goooooone again. Ripped his hamstring off the bone.

x( :(


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Bristol should have rebranded themselves as the Bristol Brabazons. Over expensive project using outdated methods doomed to failure.

Bristol Bears :lol: Winding up the Briz fans in my office has been great

http://www.bristolbears.co.uk/


:lol:


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Jack "glass cannon" Clifford goooooone again. Ripped his hamstring off the bone.

x( :(


He’s giving Manu a decent run for his money.


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Bristol should have rebranded themselves as the Bristol Brabazons. Over expensive project using outdated methods doomed to failure.

Bristol Bears :lol: Winding up the Briz fans in my office has been great

http://www.bristolbears.co.uk/


:lol:


:o :lol: no f**king way!


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Jayzus. Clifford and Tuilagi could form a support group, moderated by veterans Jonny W and James Simpson-Daniel.


I know most people don't know there's an actual main page with articles, but anyone see this Olding to Exeter rumour that's been denied? If there's any iota of truth to it, how many bloody centres do they need? 6-7 very capable ones at the moment.


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The video on the Bristol website is properly cringeworthy :lol:


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Please don't rename yourself the Bristol Bears. You're not a regionally-based children's book or an LGBTQ Facebook group.
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I guess this should have been a sign of things to come ...

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The video on the Bristol website is properly cringeworthy :lol:


A load of burly men in a darkened room wearing tight black clothing? You do realise that http://www.bristolbears.co.uk/ and the background, isn't actually the rugby club. No, the rugby club is a different site, with a news item with a video on the new branding, which is a video of burly men in a darkened room wearing tight bla...

https://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/clu ... tol-bears/


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The video on the Bristol website is properly cringeworthy :lol:


A load of burly men in a darkened room wearing tight black clothing? You do realise that http://www.bristolbears.co.uk/ and the background, isn't actually the rugby club. No, the rugby club is a different site, with a news item with a video on the new branding, which is a video of burly men in a darkened room wearing tight bla...

https://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/clu ... tol-bears/



Ugh, they've changed the badge as well! I love the traditional one.

Even this had some history / heraldry retained ...

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The video on the Bristol website is properly cringeworthy :lol:


A load of burly men in a darkened room wearing tight black clothing? You do realise that http://www.bristolbears.co.uk/ and the background, isn't actually the rugby club. No, the rugby club is a different site, with a news item with a video on the new branding, which is a video of burly men in a darkened room wearing tight bla...

https://www.bristolrugby.co.uk/news/clu ... tol-bears/


Yes, I know that is why I said on the Bristol website and it is properly cringeworthy.

I would have thought with all the money spent on rebranding, checking that the website was free and that your brand wouldn’t clash would be one of the basics.


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Bristol Slavers would have been good.


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Colour me Unconvinced. Especially while he is still picking Hartley and Cole in the squad - and while he is also ignoring more dynamic back row options. I'd be more convinced if the touring party is a bit less conservative than he's proven to be so far.


There is something ironic that the RFU managed to pick the one Australian coach who is committed to crash ball early 90's England style and has ignored how professionalism has reduced the effectiveness of that massively.

Not sure Japan were playing crash-ball. They were playing a high-tempo offloading game at the last World Cup. Admittedly since taking over England he hasn't seemed to want to use that style.....


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And it comes with the obligatory wanky hashtag that no one will actually use

#togetherwerise

The other Bristol Bears club probably have a similar one too


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As long as lcd throws the ball in reasonably he’s head and shoulders above the competition.


Yep. Big if though. He always looks great until the pressure is on. It's a problem.


Remember Hartley was a very inconsistent thrower in his early years. Now that is a hugely dependable aspect of his game.


You sure about that?

LCD is nearly 25 anyway - that's a bit old to throw like a twat.


Yeah. He was rated for his scrummaging rather than his line-outs in the Johnson years.

EDIT: Even in 2012 people were complaining Hartley's lineouts were an issue:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1777&p=53942&hilit=hartley+lineouts#p53942


When Hartley first came on the scene, he was thought to be a poor scrummager (he was nicknamed the pop-up-pirate).


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And it comes with the obligatory wanky hashtag that no one will actually use

#togetherwerise

The other Bristol Bears club probably have a similar one too


It's a bit rapey the hashtag tbf!


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And it comes with the obligatory wanky hashtag that no one will actually use

#togetherwerise

The other Bristol Bears club probably have a similar one too


It's a bit rapey the hashtag tbf!


Thought it was a cryptic clue olding and Jackson were signing?


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FFS people are actually getting paid to come up with that cringe worthy marketing bullshit.


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Quins confirm Sam Aspland-Robinson, Jake Hennessey, Charlie Matthews, John Okafor and Sam Twomey leaving at the end of the season?

What's the craic with Aspland-Robinson, thought he may break through this season. Looked classy at U20s. Injured or out on loan this season?


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