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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:48 am 
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I didn't realise that Launchbury had donated his prize money from winning man of the series for England in the autumn to the Matt Hampson foundation?

Clearly, he has more than just English blood in him...


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I didn't realise that Launchbury had donated his prize money from winning man of the series for England in the autumn to the Matt Hampson foundation?

Clearly, he has more than just English blood in him...


I shouldn't really but I'll nibble at that one...

Clearly he's just a very decent lad.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:34 am 
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geordie_6 wrote:
I didn't realise that Launchbury had donated his prize money from winning man of the series for England in the autumn to the Matt Hampson foundation?

Clearly, he has more than just English blood in him...


I shouldn't really but I'll nibble at that one...

Clearly he's just a very decent lad.


That was for the benefit of the non-English doog, you weren't supposed to go for that one :p


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Hopefully the lads will be more fired up than the Saxons were with Farrell in charge.

Callard has absolutely no use in the setup, and has a shit record. The Andrew of England's coaching staff.


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Hopefully the lads will be more fired up than the Saxons were with Farrell in charge.

Callard has absolutely no use in the setup, and has a shit record. The Andrew of England's coaching staff.


Farrell was in charge of the Saxons? I thought he was meant to be our main motivator :shock:


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SELondon wrote:
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Hopefully the lads will be more fired up than the Saxons were with Farrell in charge.

Callard has absolutely no use in the setup, and has a shit record. The Andrew of England's coaching staff.


Farrell was in charge of the Saxons? I thought he was meant to be our main motivator :shock:


He's not, either I've laid out that sentence wrong, or you've miss understood it. :blush:

Lancaster is making himself look an idiot a bit by saying both teams are united. That's fine, but at least get the seconds working as a team. Just sending a side out for the sake of it and seeing if some do well under pressure is useless, and isn't a barometer of how they'll perform, and Ford being the only 10 is stupid move considering what's happened this season.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:28 am 
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Hopefully the lads will be more fired up than the Saxons were with Farrell in charge.

Callard has absolutely no use in the setup, and has a shit record. The Andrew of England's coaching staff.


Farrell was in charge of the Saxons? I thought he was meant to be our main motivator :shock:


He's not, either I've laid out that sentence wrong, or you've miss understood it. :blush:

Lancaster is making himself look an idiot a bit by saying both teams are united. That's fine, but at least get the seconds working as a team. Just sending a side out for the sake of it and seeing if some do well under pressure is useless, and isn't a barometer of how they'll perform, and Ford being the only 10 is stupid move considering what's happened this season.


Little bit of both. With you now.

Callard certainly is a useless fudge, but the Saxons in their current form, much as I enjoy watching A games, are pointless. They're not playing for a shirt that tournament by and large - if they were they'd be in the EPS. Instead you've got a bunch of young lads in the EPS off home to play club games rather than showing they can work to the English plan. The likes of Joseph, Vunipola and Thomas should have been in that game - not Tompkins, Crane and Brookes. Retarded way of working things really.


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I didn't realise that Launchbury had donated his prize money from winning man of the series for England in the autumn to the Matt Hampson foundation?

Clearly, he has more than just English blood in him...

Bloody decent of him....Welsh heritage :nod:


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Has there been any formal acknowledgement of the fact that Callard is a useless coach by management?


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Has there been any formal acknowledgement of the fact that Callard is a useless coach by management?


I don't think that is quite Lanny's style.


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There's an assistant position opening up in the restructuring of the England setup, with a talent spotter assigned to guide players through the age grade systems, and acquire the best talent.

Rob Baxter would make an excellent addition to that post. Even if it's on a part time basis he could still do the job quite effectively.


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England Ratings vs Scotland:

15. Goode - 3/10
14. Ashton - 6/10
13. Barritt - 6/10
12. Twelvetrees - 7/10
11. Brown - 5/10
10. Farrell - 8/10
9. Youngs - 7/10
1. Marler - 6/10
2. Youngs - 6/10
3. Cole - 7/10
4. Launchbury - 6/10
5. Parling - 5/10
6. Wood - 5/10
7. Robshaw - 8/10
8. Morgan - 7/10

Ave Rating: 6.13/10, which seems about right. Goode had his worst game in an England jersey, skewed the average score a fair bit. Great performances by Farrell and Robshaw, MotM deservedly should've been one of them.


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openclashXX wrote:
England Ratings vs Scotland:

15. Goode - 3/10
14. Ashton - 6/10
13. Barritt - 6/10
12. Twelvetrees - 7/10
11. Brown - 5/10
10. Farrell - 8/10
9. Youngs - 7/10
1. Marler - 6/10
2. Youngs - 6/10
3. Cole - 7/10
4. Launchbury - 6/10
5. Parling - 5/10
6. Wood - 5/10
7. Robshaw - 8/10
8. Morgan - 7/10

Ave Rating: 6.13/10, which seems about right. Goode had his worst game in an England jersey, skewed the average score a fair bit. Great performances by Farrell and Robshaw, MotM deservedly should've been one of them.


Very harsh on Parling and Wood there.


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Yeah Wood had a couple of great moments.

Would love to see Brown at 15, but would rather not see him at 11. If we're persisting with 36 - and that was a hell of a debut - then the reasons for picking Goode diminish heavily.


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Yeah Wood had a couple of great moments.

Would love to see Brown at 15, but would rather not see him at 11. If we're persisting with 36 - and that was a hell of a debut - then the reasons for picking Goode diminish heavily.


This.

Apart from that i'm really happy with things, who'd have thought we'd move on this far?


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Quite a squad emerging to be fair. Add Corbs, Manu, Burns, Wade, Foden, into the mix and there is strength in depth.


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JM2K6 wrote:
Yeah Wood had a couple of great moments.

Would love to see Brown at 15, but would rather not see him at 11. If we're persisting with 36 - and that was a hell of a debut - then the reasons for picking Goode diminish heavily.


This.

Apart from that i'm really happy with things, who'd have thought we'd move on this far?

We butchered far to many TRY scoring opportunities for my liking


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JM2K6 wrote:
Yeah Wood had a couple of great moments.

Would love to see Brown at 15, but would rather not see him at 11. If we're persisting with 36 - and that was a hell of a debut - then the reasons for picking Goode diminish heavily.


Indeed. I would like to see Manu onto the bench or at 13, and let Brad and 36 have more time.

Can't complain though. The whole side played well today. Ben Youngs in particular was brilliant.


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IRB 6N Ratings changes:

1. New Zealand 90.08
2. South Africa 86.94
3. Australia 86.87
4. France 85.07
5. England 83.90
6. Ireland 81.31
7. Samoa 78.71
8. Argentina 78.71
9. Wales 77.19
10. Italy 76.24

In the 2 games, no changes were seen in the England vs Scotland game as the gap was too big, whilst Ireland gained a point against Wales and Wales lost 1.2.

Here are the possibles for the Italy/France game:

France can gain nothing if they win
Draw - Fra -1 Italy +1
Italy - 1-15 pt - 2 pt increase
Ita by 15 or more - 3 pts increase


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Some craic in here boys, holy god.


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Some craic in here boys, holy god.


Be quiet before we have you deleted.


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Really hope 12trees doesn't start next week... him and Manu would be devastating! Great stuff by him today though :thumbup:


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JM2K6 wrote:
Yeah Wood had a couple of great moments.

Would love to see Brown at 15, but would rather not see him at 11. If we're persisting with 36 - and that was a hell of a debut - then the reasons for picking Goode diminish heavily.


Amen.

Also, can't wait for Manu - or any real 13 - to return, and very much enjoyed the Parling-Launchbury second row.


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If Morgan is out next week, how about a back row of:

Lawes, Robshaw, Wood

Wood has played 8 and it would be a pretty dynamic setup.


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If Morgan is out next week, how about a back row of:

Lawes, Robshaw, Wood

Wood has played 8 and it would be a pretty dynamic setup.


That potentially opens up the way for the return of Botha and therefore cannot happen.


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Two players out of position? No thanks.


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If Morgan is out then a straight swap between him and Waldrom/Vunipola is the only real option.


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I'd rather see Wood, Robshaw and The Hask or even Waldrom than have Lawes at 6 and Wood at 8 which would be a Dimwit style selection.

And anyone but Strettle.


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Lawes isn't good enough at 6 even at club level, if Morgan's out i think he'll go with the Hask, but it will be interesting to see who benches.


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Lawes isn't good enough at 6 even at club level, if Morgan's out i think he'll go with the Hask, but it will be interesting to see who benches.


Would the Hask come in at 8, or use Wood there as they did yesterday when Morgan went off?


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If fit, 50 mins of Vunipola at 8 would be nice to see. Or they might promote Kvesic to bench if the Hask starts.


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If fit, 50 mins of Vunipola at 8 would be nice to see. Or they might promote Kvesic to bench if the Hask starts.


The possibilities if Morgan is out for the Ireland game, and based on how well Haskell played off the bench (and the management acknowledgeing that) seem to be:

6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Waldrom/Vunipola

19. Haskell (back row cover)

or

6. Haskell/Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Wood/Haskell

19. Kvesic (back row cover)

or

6. Haskell/Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Wood/Haskell

19. Waldrom/Vunipola (Number 8 cover)

neither of the three are ideal as Morgan was outstanding during his time on, but personally I'd go for the first, more likely with Waldrom.


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6.Wood
7.Robshaw
8.Easter


Foden full back

Twelvetrees/Tuilagi centres

Sorted


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There's more chance of me playing at 8 than Nick Easter.

Vunipola is the wildcard, i don't think lolcaster would risk it as first cap.

Wood or HASK. Maybe even wood on our ball, HASK on theirs. It's a shame if morgan is out, he was in barnstorming form yesterday.


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6.Wood
7.Robshaw
8.Easter


Foden full back

Twelvetrees/Tuilagi centres

Sorted


Suspect it will be Wood, Robshaw and Waldrom as Waldrom is a like for like replacement but not suitable for the bench as he only covers one position. Easter has been correctly excluded from the squad and only has himself to blame.


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There's more chance of me playing at 8 than Nick Easter.

Vunipola is the wildcard, i don't think lolcaster would risk it as first cap.

Wood or HASK. Maybe even wood on our ball, HASK on theirs. It's a shame if morgan is out, he was in barnstorming form yesterday.



So who moves onto the bench? Probably Kvesic as he can play all 3.


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There's more chance of me playing at 8 than Nick Easter.

Vunipola is the wildcard, i don't think lolcaster would risk it as first cap.

Wood or HASK. Maybe even wood on our ball, HASK on theirs. It's a shame if morgan is out, he was in barnstorming form yesterday.



So who moves onto the bench? Probably Kvesic as he can play all 3.


Maybe, with lawes and launchberry able to play 6 in a pinch allowing a shuffle. Lawes isn't a 6 btw by any stretch, even the saints fans support that view. Launch could do a job.


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I just don't think he fancies waldrum, gut feeling.


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If Morgan is out then a straight swap between him and Waldrom/Vunipola is the only real option.


Haskell?


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I imagine that Haskell will make the step up, at either 6 or 8 with Wood wearing the other shirt.

What I hope is that, if Haskell steps up, he puts Billy V on the bench.


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