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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:27 pm 
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I'd go with

Marler
Hartley
Cole
Itoje
Launchbury
Robshaw
Haskell
Hughes

Care
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May
Farrell
JJ
Watson
Brown

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Mako
George
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Lawes
Wiggy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:32 pm 
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I’d start with Lawes ahead of Itoje at present.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:33 pm 
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I’d start with Lawes ahead of Itoje at present.


You can face an angry Press, then.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:07 pm 
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The Man Without Fear wrote:
I'd go with

Marler
Hartley
Cole
Itoje
Launchbury
Robshaw
Haskell
Hughes

Care
Ford

May
Farrell
JJ
Watson
Brown

Subs

Mako
George
Williams
Lawes
Wiggy
Nowell
Underhill
Teo


That would be my team as well. With Lawes for Itoje. I don't think Maro is being as influential as he was pre-Lions if I'm honest.


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The Man Without Fear wrote:
Sefton wrote:
I’d start with Lawes ahead of Itoje at present.


You can face an angry Press, then.



Without the Maro Itoje song, what on earth can England fans sing at a Rugby match? :shock:


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Ohhh, Chris-to-pher Rob-shaw
Ohhh, Chris-to-pher Rob-shaw
Ohhh, Chris-to-pher Rob-shaw
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:47 pm 
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Marler
Hartley
Cole
Itoje
Launchbury
Underhill
Robshaw
Hughes

Care
Ford
May
Farrell
JJ
Watson
Brown

George
Mako
Williams
Lawes
Haskell
Wigglesworth
Te'o
Nowell

Would expect Kruis and Ewels to miss out. Eddie will probably start Mako and I've no idea what he'll do with the back 5 starters and bench.


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Fucks sake, we could do with Kruis back at Sarries. We've got Flanagan and Isiekwe and that's it for the second row :x


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I’d start with Lawes ahead of Itoje at present.

Good call that. I was amazed to see the Telegraph rank Itoje as the 4th best player of the Championship - well ahead of the rest of the locks. For mine he's been arguably one of the worst performers with little impact other than to concede five penalties and defensive lapses against Wales. He needs a big performance.


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I think Itoje has been ok but there's a bit of difficult second album syndrome. Not as impactful this season.

Hope he's not knackered - he's probably had the least rest of any Lion?

I assume we'll have a lock at 6 again anyway?


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eldanielfire wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:
I'd go with

Marler
Hartley
Cole
Itoje
Launchbury
Robshaw
Haskell
Hughes

Care
Ford

May
Farrell
JJ
Watson
Brown

Subs

Mako
George
Williams
Lawes
Wiggy
Nowell
Underhill
Teo


That would be my team as well. With Lawes for Itoje. I don't think Maro is being as influential as he was pre-Lions if I'm honest.


Yep - and Itoje will be well and truly revved up when he comes on as a sub. Wouldn't be too upset to see Underhill start and the Hask to bench but I suspect the extra experience will be valuable earlier in the game when the Scots come charging out of the blocks.


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Lawes is a great player but he doesn't have Itoje's breakdown threat (based, admittedly, on stats from before this competition). I'm expecting Maro to be in the starting XV


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Lawes is a great player but he doesn't have Itoje's breakdown threat (based, admittedly, on stats from before this competition). I'm expecting Maro to be in the starting XV


Some truth there - not sure Maro carries as much as lawes though - nonetheless, Eddie may not want to risk any weakening of our work at the breakdown - especially in the 1st half. Knowing Eddie it's just as possible that he'll keep Lawes at 6 to make sure our Line out has more options.


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Lawes is a great player but he doesn't have Itoje's breakdown threat (based, admittedly, on stats from before this competition). I'm expecting Maro to be in the starting XV


Some truth there - not sure Maro carries as much as lawes though - nonetheless, Eddie may not want to risk any weakening of our work at the breakdown - especially in the 1st half. Knowing Eddie it's just as possible that he'll keep Lawes at 6 to make sure our Line out has more options.


I feel like we need to have a really, really good alternative approach for it to be better than having Launchbury, Itoje and Lawes all on the pitch together. 3 of our very best forwards


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Lawes is a great player but he doesn't have Itoje's breakdown threat (based, admittedly, on stats from before this competition). I'm expecting Maro to be in the starting XV


I can't argue with that. Maro is especially important due to the backrows lack of breakdown work bar Robshaw. That is why I think Haskell could be an important return.


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Is Hughes really fit enough to start? If so, that's a vast and rapid improvement from his last showing.

But having let mercer go we have no other options save Haskell and when was the last time he started at 8!!


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Is Hughes really fit enough to start? If so, that's a vast and rapid improvement from his last showing.

But having let mercer go we have no other options save Haskell and when was the last time he started at 8!!


Robshaw, the other alternative, moved to 8 when Simmonds went off v Wales - and we looked less effective from that point onwards. Have to hope that Hughes is ready and able to do a full shift. Also a little bit concerned at the lack of pace of our flankers with Robshaw and the Hask and no Simmonds or Underhill in the back row. We need to be slowing Scotland down at the breakdown and beating them to the tackle area.


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Didn't Itoje get injured, so he'll have got some break after the lions.


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Need more clapping from Itoje. With Hughes back we won’t need Lawes carrying, expect underhill at 7 and tonsee the hask appear.


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Need more clapping from Itoje. With Hughes back we won’t need Lawes carrying, expect underhill at 7 and tonsee the hask appear.


I'd not be surprised to see Hask starting at 7.


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Daly should be back for the next round of games too, which will arguably be our hardest, depending on which Scotland turns up on Saturday.


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Didn't Itoje get injured, so he'll have got some break after the lions.

broke his jaw in our annual loss at the stoop and had about 3 weeks off, iirc


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Daly should be back for the next round of games too, which will arguably be our hardest, depending on which Scotland turns up on Saturday.


He could do with a run out with Wasps before playing for England - if the other wingers stay fit, I'd be tempted to hold him back for another week - let him play for Wasps next weekend. We've got pretty good cover on the Wing - not quite his class but there's no need to rush him back.


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Sky Sports reporting that Faz missed training yesterday

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Owen Farrell again missed training on Tuesday but England remain confident he will be fit to face Scotland this weekend.

The 26-year-old has not fully trained with the rest of England's Six Nations squad since he injured his lower leg in the 12-6 win over Wales two weeks ago.


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Daly should be back for the next round of games too, which will arguably be our hardest, depending on which Scotland turns up on Saturday.


He could do with a run out with Wasps before playing for England - if the other wingers stay fit, I'd be tempted to hold him back for another week - let him play for Wasps next weekend. We've got pretty good cover on the Wing - not quite his class but there's no need to rush him back.


He's out for at least 2 more weeks.


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Sky Sports reporting that Faz missed training yesterday

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Owen Farrell again missed training on Tuesday but England remain confident he will be fit to face Scotland this weekend.

The 26-year-old has not fully trained with the rest of England's Six Nations squad since he injured his lower leg in the 12-6 win over Wales two weeks ago.


No indication that he's a doubt to play though, the line is that he was doing some extra rehab.

Maybe he tripped over Eddie's dog/rat again. That worked out pretty well for us last time tbf


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It's a few days before the Calcutta Cup and we still haven't heard what Jim Telfer thinks about the English :? Maybe later today


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It's a few days before the Calcutta Cup and we still haven't heard what Jim Telfer thinks about the English :? Maybe later today

500 words of 'why I despise the English, their arrogance, their accents, their lack of mountains, their fans, the lot. But I like cricket these days so nothing personal'.


Squeaky bum time with Faz. Don't fancy our chances in anything like the same way without the 10-12 axis.


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It's a few days before the Calcutta Cup and we still haven't heard what Jim Telfer thinks about the English :? Maybe later today


I think the batterings in Cardiff this year and Twickenham last have caused the Sweaties to be a lot more circumspect than they might have been otherwise. Alarming in some ways - I'd feel more comfortable if they were banging on about the Auld Enemy rather than keeping their heads down.


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I don't think there's too much worry over Faz - another 10 would have been retained in the squad had that been the case


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I don't think there's too much worry over Faz - another 10 would have been retained in the squad had that been the case

I guess it could just be Jones' mind games for the week - he's been staggeringly quiet so far.


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I don't think there's too much worry over Faz - another 10 would have been retained in the squad had that been the case

I guess it could just be Jones' mind games for the week - he's been staggeringly quiet so far.


No doubt his press conference tomorrow will cause the Sweaties to lose their shit over something insignificant [/EnglishArroganceMode]


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I don't think there's too much worry over Faz - another 10 would have been retained in the squad had that been the case

I guess it could just be Jones' mind games for the week - he's been staggeringly quiet so far.


No doubt his press conference tomorrow will cause the Sweaties to lose their shit over something insignificant [/EnglishArroganceMode]

I'm half hoping to open the paper tomorrow to find him planting a St George's Cross above a North Sea oil rig.


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It's a few days before the Calcutta Cup and we still haven't heard what Jim Telfer thinks about the English :? Maybe later today


One can only pray. :smug:


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I don't think there's too much worry over Faz - another 10 would have been retained in the squad had that been the case

I guess it could just be Jones' mind games for the week - he's been staggeringly quiet so far.


No doubt his press conference tomorrow will cause the Sweaties to lose their shit over something insignificant [/EnglishArroganceMode]

I'm half hoping to open the paper tomorrow to find him planting a St George's Cross above a North Sea oil rig.




Taking a slash against the signpost at John O'Groats would be arty.


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croyals wrote:
Keith wrote:
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Keith wrote:
I don't think there's too much worry over Faz - another 10 would have been retained in the squad had that been the case

I guess it could just be Jones' mind games for the week - he's been staggeringly quiet so far.


No doubt his press conference tomorrow will cause the Sweaties to lose their shit over something insignificant [/EnglishArroganceMode]

I'm half hoping to open the paper tomorrow to find him planting a St George's Cross above a North Sea oil rig.




Taking a slash against the signpost at John O'Groats would be arty.


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Nathan Hughes in at 8, that's the only change. No Haskell on the bench.

Edit: Dammit, beaten by seconds.


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"I like Gregor. Top bloke. I hope he makes a better coach than he was as a player"


I stood behind him on the escalators at Heathrow T5 once, then saw Mike Friday and Phil Greening in the lounge. True story.


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Probably the best side we can throw out with our current resources, I'm liking it.

Let's just pray that the game is already gone (for either time) by the time Eddie brings on the Wiggy. I don't think my heart could handle that.


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