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Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:54 pm
by JM2K6
Somehow I think the f**king penalty try and yellow card from Watson was more telling than back rows giving away penalties trying to do their job

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:55 pm
by Wendigo7
Gospel wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:England are a physically small team, we need to fight for anything we get.
Small? :?
Yes. Look at the size of Wales, Ireland and Frances packs.

I don’t think I’m saying much saying even though the stats say otherwise, they look a lot fuller, bigger and more physical than us.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:55 pm
by openclashXX
JM2K6 wrote:Somehow I think the f**king penalty try and yellow card from Watson was more telling than back rows giving away penalties trying to do their job
Being shit at their jobs

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:55 pm
by englishchief
Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:56 pm
by ThePretender
Seen the replay of the end there, before we knocked on?

5 on 2 (maybe 3) overlap. Ball got recycled instead and knocked on in the tackle.

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Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:57 pm
by Wendigo7
There we go. POC just said England aren’t a big physical team.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:57 pm
by Gospel
Wendigo7 wrote:
Gospel wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:England are a physically small team, we need to fight for anything we get.
Small? :?
Yes. Look at the size of Wales, Ireland and Frances packs.

I don’t think I’m saying much saying even though the stats say otherwise, they look a lot fuller, bigger and more physical than us.
Our pack was considerably bigger than France. We had three locks and Nathan Hughes.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:58 pm
by Keith
Pack rating:

Mako 5/10
George 3/10
Cole -3/10
Launch 4/10
Maro 5/10
Lawes 1/10
Robshaw 4/10
Hughes 4/10

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:58 pm
by The Man Without Fear
Flankers in giving away penalties shock.

Anyway, for Ireland

Marler, Mako looks done in
Hartley if fit, else George gets a second chance
Sinckler
Launchbury
Itoje
Robshaw
Simmons
Hask

fudge knows
Ford

May
Farrell
JJ, Te'o is just not a Test 13
Daly
Watson, I suppose

Pick whoever on the bench, as long as Cole is gone.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:58 pm
by openclashXX
englishchief wrote:Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems
Indeed

If there is any accountability at all for performances then Robshaw is a goner

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:59 pm
by Wendigo7
Gospel wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
Gospel wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:England are a physically small team, we need to fight for anything we get.
Small? :?
Yes. Look at the size of Wales, Ireland and Frances packs.

I don’t think I’m saying much saying even though the stats say otherwise, they look a lot fuller, bigger and more physical than us.
Our pack was considerably bigger than France. We had three locks and Nathan Hughes.
Are any of them physical though?

Nope.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:59 pm
by Mick Mannock
Wendigo7 wrote:
Gospel wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:England are a physically small team, we need to fight for anything we get.
Small? :?
Yes. Look at the size of Wales, Ireland and Frances packs.

I don’t think I’m saying much saying even though the stats say otherwise, they look a lot fuller, bigger and more physical than us.
I disagree. Losing Hughes did not help. England could field a bigger pack, sure but it is not small.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:59 pm
by bimboman
Wendigo7 wrote:
nardol wrote:I think Eddie thinks he is coaching a league side
His strategy is to have as little as needed in the ruck and then to overlap all the time.

That works if you have a big pack who are fast. England are a physically small team, we need to fight for anything we get.

England aren't a small team, hey have missed weight in he backrow, that's all.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:59 pm
by JM2K6
Hey if you guys think the penalties those two gave away were the problem then have at it, I think it was pretty clear where the real problems were (including the same problem from last week, which includes Robshaw) but given the years long hissy fit from some posters I'm not surprised this is being used as an excuse to fight old wars.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:59 pm
by RodneyRegis
openclashXX wrote:
englishchief wrote:Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems
Indeed

If there is any accountability at all for performances then Robshaw is a goner
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:00 pm
by openclashXX
The Man Without Fear wrote:Flankers in giving away penalties shock.
:lol:

Is this an actual excuse for a game where we gave away 16 penalties

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:00 pm
by ovalball
maverickmak wrote:I still think playing Ford and Farrell together hampers both of them.
It doesn't matter who plays 10/12 if a) you don't get clean ball and keep getting turned over b) the SH is crap

The problem isn't with the backs.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:01 pm
by Gospel
englishchief wrote:Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems
Far be it for me to defend a filthy quim but for large swathes of the game it seemed that Robshaw was the only England player making any positive interventions.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:02 pm
by bimboman
Keith wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Keith wrote:To me is clear that we only have one world class player - Elliott Daly

Stop being silly.
Name the others. If you mention Farrell.... :?

Launchbury , Itoji, Farrell, George was a winner in a Lions shirt. So knob off.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:02 pm
by Rugby2023
ovalball wrote:
maverickmak wrote:I still think playing Ford and Farrell together hampers both of them.
It doesn't matter who plays 10/12 if a) you don't get clean ball and keep getting turned over b) the SH is crap

The problem isn't with the backs.
Solid analysis. Care made Wigglesworth look good, and that takes some doing.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:02 pm
by Wendigo7
So how do you fix it then?

If it’s the forwards who goes... and I mean a full drop?

Are we sure even moving Robshaw to 6 with a 7 coming in and Cole being dropped is enough?

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:02 pm
by RodneyRegis
openclashXX wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:Flankers in giving away penalties shock.
:lol:

Is this an actual excuse for a game where we gave away 16 penalties
Of which the flankers conceded 4 :lol:

Most of them were for holding on.

You are all over the shop, as ever.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:02 pm
by JM2K6
openclashXX wrote:
englishchief wrote:Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems
Indeed

If there is any accountability at all for performances then
At 7, sure. But it's ludicrous to watch that game and say he deserves to be dropped.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:03 pm
by englishchief
I think LCD and Simmonds can certainly come out of the game with their heads held high.

I think Farrell needs to be dropped (he's such a f**king robot, standing still and lobbing the ball on and making shit tackles in defence), Slade to go to 13 and Te'o to 12.

Mark Wilson in at 6 (even Jack Willis ffs), Hask at 7.

Maunder or Robson at 9, Wiggy and Care shouldn't even be near the squad. Vellacott instead of either of those 2 as well.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:03 pm
by bimboman
Wendigo7 wrote:
Gospel wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:England are a physically small team, we need to fight for anything we get.
Small? :?
Yes. Look at the size of Wales, Ireland and Frances packs.

I don’t think I’m saying much saying even though the stats say otherwise, they look a lot fuller, bigger and more physical than us.

France pack of course , we out weighed the Welsh and Scots pack.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:04 pm
by RodneyRegis
englishchief wrote:I think LCD and Simmonds can certainly come out of the game with their heads held high.

I think Farrell needs to be dropped (he's such a f**king robot, standing still and lobbing the ball on and making shit tackles in defence), Slade to go to 13 and Te'o to 12.

Mark Wilson in at 6 (even Jack Willis ffs), Hask at 7.

Maunder or Robson at 9, Wiggy and Care shouldn't even be near the squad. Vellacott instead of either of those 2 as well.
You mean for overthrowing the lineout?

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:04 pm
by bimboman
englishchief wrote:I think LCD and Simmonds can certainly come out of the game with their heads held high.

I think Farrell needs to be dropped (he's such a f**king robot, standing still and lobbing the ball on and making shit tackles in defence), Slade to go to 13 and Te'o to 12.

Mark Wilson in at 6 (even Jack Willis ffs), Hask at 7.

Maunder or Robson at 9, Wiggy and Care shouldn't even be near the squad. Vellacott instead of either of those 2 as well.
You drop ford many times over compared to Farrell.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:05 pm
by openclashXX
Gospel wrote:
englishchief wrote:Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems
Far be it for me to defend a filthy quim but for large swathes of the game it seemed that Robshaw was the only England player making any positive interventions.
Robshaw was a joke. Plodding around the pitch, no pace, conceding penalties, getting murdered at the ruck, zero power in his carries, no stopping power in his tackles.

He's done at this level

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:05 pm
by englishchief
Daly and Watson are world class. Te'o and Farrell are very good international players, Ford is excellent.

The problem is when your 1-8 are an overall mediocre, and your 9 even further beyond that, those qualities can't shine through.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:05 pm
by bimboman
RodneyRegis wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:Flankers in giving away penalties shock.
:lol:

Is this an actual excuse for a game where we gave away 16 penalties
Of which the flankers conceded 4 :lol:

Most of them were for holding on.

You are all over the shop, as ever.

If you can't see the problem in the backrow then you ain't looking.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:06 pm
by ThePretender
openclashXX wrote:
Gospel wrote:
englishchief wrote:Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems
Far be it for me to defend a filthy quim but for large swathes of the game it seemed that Robshaw was the only England player making any positive interventions.
Robshaw was a joke. Plodding around the pitch, no pace, conceding penalties, getting murdered at the ruck, zero power in his carries, no stopping power in his tackles.

He's done at this level
It wasn't just Robshaw (who was crap, admittedly) the entire team lacked any sort of power.

We looked to be at 50% of the French all day. How they didn't beat us by more is down mostly to them not being a good side.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:06 pm
by JM2K6
Hey if we're handing out blame, Simmonds also gave away 3 penalties, was out carried by Lawes, and LCD butchered the penultimate lineout, dummied the last one, and knocked on under the posts with a huge overlap going begging.


(I liked both of them and was gutted by LCDs wobbles as I thought he was a huge upgrade on George, who was poor today)

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:06 pm
by RodneyRegis
openclashXX wrote:
Gospel wrote:
englishchief wrote:Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems
Far be it for me to defend a filthy quim but for large swathes of the game it seemed that Robshaw was the only England player making any positive interventions.
Robshaw was a joke. Plodding around the pitch, no pace, conceding penalties, getting murdered at the ruck, zero power in his carries, no stopping power in his tackles.

He's done at this level
Careful, don't overdo it...

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:06 pm
by bimboman
englishchief wrote:Daly and Watson are world class. Te'o and Farrell are very good international players, Ford is excellent.

The problem is when your 1-8 are an overall mediocre, and your 9 even further beyond that, those qualities can't shine through.

Oh piss off Launchbury and Itoji start for most sides internationally.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:06 pm
by The Man Without Fear
RodneyRegis wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:Flankers in giving away penalties shock.
:lol:

Is this an actual excuse for a game where we gave away 16 penalties
Of which the flankers conceded 4 :lol:

Most of them were for holding on.

You are all over the shop, as ever.
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step away from openclash and have a beer.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:06 pm
by openclashXX
RodneyRegis wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:Flankers in giving away penalties shock.
:lol:

Is this an actual excuse for a game where we gave away 16 penalties
Of which the flankers conceded 4 :lol:

Most of them were for holding on.
You do realise that "holding on" is as a result of an anonymous back row leaving people like George Ford to clear out Bastareaud

The bulk of those penalties were directly or indirectly a result of a shocking back row performance

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:07 pm
by Gospel
englishchief wrote:I think LCD and Simmonds can certainly come out of the game with their heads held high.

I think Farrell needs to be dropped (he's such a f**king robot, standing still and lobbing the ball on and making shit tackles in defence), Slade to go to 13 and Te'o to 12.

Mark Wilson in at 6 (even Jack Willis ffs), Hask at 7.

Maunder or Robson at 9, Wiggy and Care shouldn't even be near the squad. Vellacott instead of either of those 2 as well.
There's club bias... and then there's club bias. :lol:

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:07 pm
by RodneyRegis
bimboman wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:Flankers in giving away penalties shock.
:lol:

Is this an actual excuse for a game where we gave away 16 penalties
Of which the flankers conceded 4 :lol:

Most of them were for holding on.

You are all over the shop, as ever.

If you can't see the problem in the backrow then you ain't looking.
Of course I can see the problem in the backrow. Robshaw isn't a 7 any more, hasn't been for 5 years at least. Lawes is not a 6.

Talk of dropping Robshaw is laughable though.

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:07 pm
by englishchief
bimboman wrote:
englishchief wrote:Daly and Watson are world class. Te'o and Farrell are very good international players, Ford is excellent.

The problem is when your 1-8 are an overall mediocre, and your 9 even further beyond that, those qualities can't shine through.

Oh piss off Launchbury and Itoji start for most sides internationally.
I didn't say they wouldn't :lol: see the word 'overall' in there?

Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:07 pm
by bimboman
ThePretender wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
Gospel wrote:
englishchief wrote:Anything to deflect away from Saint Robshaw it seems
Far be it for me to defend a filthy quim but for large swathes of the game it seemed that Robshaw was the only England player making any positive interventions.
Robshaw was a joke. Plodding around the pitch, no pace, conceding penalties, getting murdered at the ruck, zero power in his carries, no stopping power in his tackles.

He's done at this level
It wasn't just Robshaw (who was crap, admittedly) the entire team lacked any sort of power.

We looked to be at 50% of the French all day. How they didn't beat us by more is down mostly to them not being a good side.

We clearly weren't 50% it was one score.