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Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:16 pm
by 45jumper
crash 669 wrote:openclashXX wrote:Will Addison leaving Sale to Ulster at end of season - chasing Irish international honours
Ireland the new Wasps it seems
F
ucking rats cocks.
Sale's backline starts to look a lot more barren now without Addison, Haley and Charnley.
It's a real bugger, can't blame him though. Think he could really show England what they're missing if he stays fit.
As you say though, we're looking a bit threadbare in places now. Can see O'Connor moving to fullback, but our centres are a bit of a problem. James is a sure starter but who partners him? Jennings is often injured and O'Connor playing there gives us a lightweight pairing. Redpath will see plenty of gametime but again he's not a heavy carrier. Better hope we get Van Rensburg really
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:24 pm
by fatcat
Openclash will have a keen eye on this AW final, what with Kvesic having a start.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:25 pm
by Backwoodsman1
englishchief wrote:Joe Simmonds looking magisterial in the AWC final
Yes , he looks very composed - as does Townsend , I love the unfussy way Townsend distributes the ball . Also I like the way Baxter leaves Pelow to run the AW team and trusts the team who have got them to the final.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:35 pm
by Joost
fatcat wrote:Openclash will have a keen eye on this AW final, what with Kvesic having a start.
Such a waste; he could’ve been the new Andy Hazell!!
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:45 pm
by crash 669
45jumper wrote:crash 669 wrote:openclashXX wrote:Will Addison leaving Sale to Ulster at end of season - chasing Irish international honours
Ireland the new Wasps it seems
F
ucking rats cocks.
Sale's backline starts to look a lot more barren now without Addison, Haley and Charnley.
It's a real bugger, can't blame him though. Think he could really show England what they're missing if he stays fit.
As you say though, we're looking a bit threadbare in places now. Can see O'Connor moving to fullback, but our centres are a bit of a problem.
James is a sure starter but who partners him? Jennings is often injured and O'Connor playing there gives us a lightweight pairing. Redpath will see plenty of gametime but again he's not a heavy carrier. Better hope we get Van Rensburg really
The other James, one at 12 and one at 13? Mind you there's still Odogwu (or whatever his name is) in the squad? I don't know what he did to fall out of favour but he was a decent option when he played.
But could do with a signing or two.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:47 pm
by DragsterDriver
Backwoodsman1 wrote:englishchief wrote:Joe Simmonds looking magisterial in the AWC final
Yes , he looks very composed - as does Townsend , I love the unfussy way Townsend distributes the ball . Also I like the way Baxter leaves Pelow to run the AW team and trusts the team who have got them to the final.
I’ve liked Townsend for ages, neat kicking game as well.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:21 pm
by JM2K6
I thought his kicking game was pretty awful
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:22 pm
by fatcat
Had to turn it off. The second half was shit.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:40 pm
by Scrumhead
Indeed - the second half was awful. Unfortunately, I used my rugby on TV quota for today which I should have saved for the Scarlets vs. La Rochelle game.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:27 pm
by JM2K6
Scrumhead wrote:Indeed - the second half was awful. Unfortunately, I used my rugby on TV quota for today which I should have saved for the Scarlets vs. La Rochelle game.
You're not missing much. Homer ref so far, but La Rochelle are mostly shite and Scarlets are confident (but also a bit shite). La Rochelle are missing most of their good players and have had injuries during the game. Frog 9 needs a kicking by his own team, who are all better with the boot than he is.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:18 pm
by englishchief
Simmonds and Smith are going to have a spicy fight for the number 10 shirt in the years to come.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:23 pm
by englishchief
Despite the fact it's unlikely to happen, Saracens beating Leinster would be amazingly sweet.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:41 pm
by Scrumhead
englishchief wrote:Simmonds and Smith are going to have a spicy fight for the number 10 shirt in the years to come.
Definitely. Maybe Max Malins too.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:23 pm
by Slater582
englishchief wrote:I know it's only age group, but at the weekend England U18s beat Scotland U18s something like 65-0
And today lost 27-32 to Scotland U18
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:09 pm
by englishchief
Slater582 wrote:englishchief wrote:I know it's only age group, but at the weekend England U18s beat Scotland U18s something like 65-0
And today lost 27-32 to Scotland U18
Wasn't a very strong England side I believe
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:36 am
by Raggs
Slater582 wrote:englishchief wrote:I know it's only age group, but at the weekend England U18s beat Scotland U18s something like 65-0
And today lost 27-32 to Scotland U18
Very different team, Barbeary the captain at hooker is u17s.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:39 pm
by Plastic Sarrie
Obviously Sarries going out wasn't ideal, but thought that Mako was immense today. Properly looked like he had his mojo back
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:44 pm
by DragsterDriver
Plastic Sarrie wrote:Obviously Sarries going out wasn't ideal, but thought that Mako was immense today. Properly looked like he had his mojo back
Yep! Better than his England form, against basically the same opposition. Huge shift
Sarries exceeded my expectations, worked really hard but never had that bit of class to look like winning it. I may have a blind spot, but did Bosch do anything at all?
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:02 pm
by Plastic Sarrie
Nah, he didn't have a great game. Did stick a penalty over from 50 meters though, the handsome bastard
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:15 pm
by The Man Without Fear
Lozowski needs to agitate to start or move. He's too good to be stuck behind defensive stalwart Barritt. The latter may suit the Wolfpack but the former is a better player for a team wanting an attacking 10/12.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:26 pm
by malky
Raggs wrote:Slater582 wrote:englishchief wrote:I know it's only age group, but at the weekend England U18s beat Scotland U18s something like 65-0
And today lost 27-32 to Scotland U18
Very different team, Barbeary the captain at hooker is u17s.
To be fair, they were probably a bit tired as well.
edit - apologies for 'invading' a 'national' thread - sometimes the low hanging is just too low to ignore...
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:27 pm
by DragsterDriver
I’m deffo warming to Lozowski, not sure he’s a Sarries type of player. Maybe should have been more patient at wasps?
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:46 pm
by englishchief
I'd take him in a heartbeat, and he'd be a sure starter at 12 for Chiefs. Simmonds, Lozowksi, Slade, Cordero. Would be class.
I can't think of many sides where he wouldn't be starting as a 10 or 12. Just trying to think who's short in that department, but is still in the top 8 or so of the AP. Gloucester? Quins? Newcastle?
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:54 pm
by polyallstar
englishchief wrote:I'd take him in a heartbeat, and he'd be a sure starter at 12 for Chiefs. Simmonds, Lozowksi, Slade, Cordero. Would be class.
I can't think of many sides where he wouldn't be starting as a 10 or 12. Just trying to think who's short in that department, but is still in the top 8 or so of the AP. Gloucester? Quins? Newcastle?
Would def have him at Falcons, Either 10 or 12. We need something extra for next season if we make Europe too tbf
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:03 pm
by Keith
polyallstar wrote:englishchief wrote:I'd take him in a heartbeat, and he'd be a sure starter at 12 for Chiefs. Simmonds, Lozowksi, Slade, Cordero. Would be class.
I can't think of many sides where he wouldn't be starting as a 10 or 12. Just trying to think who's short in that department, but is still in the top 8 or so of the AP. Gloucester? Quins? Newcastle?
Would def have him at Falcons, Either 10 or 12. We need something extra for next season if we make Europe too tbf
He'd do well under Deano. I hear Mr. Richards is very good at blooding new players in.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:12 pm
by Nieghorn
englishchief wrote:I'd take him in a heartbeat, and he'd be a sure starter at 12 for Chiefs. Simmonds, Lozowksi, Slade, Cordero. Would be class.
I can't think of many sides where he wouldn't be starting as a 10 or 12. Just trying to think who's short in that department, but is still in the top 8 or so of the AP. Gloucester? Quins? Newcastle?
What have you done to Devoto? Some appearances at Bath and for 'England XVs' had me thinking he could be a Greenwood-esque player.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:22 pm
by Dork Lard
Interested to read what the fans feel is wrong with English Rugby atm. It's obviously not a vintage year, and the key players seem to be in a funk: Farrell Itoje Joseph Kruis... do you feel those are the natural limits of those players that are now being exposed on the various stages, or is it some kind of a hangover from all the recent titles...?
does England need to work to become more like Ireland (as painful as this would be to admit !). Today, Leinster v Saracens didn't seem like two terribly different teams. It just looked like Leinster was a better Saracens, and naturally being at home, won.
Sexton seems basically a better version of Farrell, the Irish packs are globally outplaying the English packs being more crafty and better prepared, and their backs are being utilized better. Ireland teams seem more composed and patient, while the English teams aren't looking clinical and able to withstand the pressure moments or take command during crunch time. They're there, just can't make the right impact and fail consistently when it counts.
Mediocre generation ? Wrong coaching ?
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:25 pm
by DD-2017
Dork Lard wrote:
does England need to work to become more like Ireland (as painful as this would be to admit !). Today, Leinster v Saracens didn't seem like two terribly different teams. It just looked like Leinster was a better Saracens, and naturally being at home, won.
Sexton seems basically a better version of Farrell, the Irish packs are globally outplaying the English packs being more crafty and better prepared, and their backs are being utilized better. Ireland teams seem more composed and patient, while the English teams aren't looking clinical and able to withstand the pressure moments or take command during crunch time. They're there, just can't make the right impact and fail consistently when it counts.
Mediocre generation ? Wrong coaching ?
All down to genetics. Irish genetic superiority
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:09 am
by Raggs
Put Billy Vunipola back in and it's a different story.
Loz has rarely convinced at 10 or 15 for me, but i do like him at 12, and if his defence is good enough i think he could make a very good 13, he has the pace.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:23 am
by DragsterDriver
blindcider wrote:Right Irish chaps. I know most of you are genuine but the English generally avoid your thread, so please return the favour!
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 am
by Mick Mannock
DragsterDriver wrote:blindcider wrote:Right Irish chaps. I know most of you are genuine but the English generally avoid your thread, so please return the favour!
Posting on the Irish thread is a bannable offense. The Irish seem a very inward-looking crowd, unwilling to welcome the wider world, whilst very keen to comment on it.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:58 am
by Mick Mannock
DragsterDriver wrote:Plastic Sarrie wrote:Obviously Sarries going out wasn't ideal, but thought that Mako was immense today. Properly looked like he had his mojo back
Yep! Better than his England form, against basically the same opposition. Huge shift
Sarries exceeded my expectations, worked really hard but never had that bit of class to look like winning it. I may have a blind spot, but did Bosch do anything at all?
Mako was MOM for me.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:06 am
by DragsterDriver
Mick Mannock wrote:DragsterDriver wrote:Plastic Sarrie wrote:Obviously Sarries going out wasn't ideal, but thought that Mako was immense today. Properly looked like he had his mojo back
Yep! Better than his England form, against basically the same opposition. Huge shift
Sarries exceeded my expectations, worked really hard but never had that bit of class to look like winning it. I may have a blind spot, but did Bosch do anything at all?
Mako was MOM for me.
Ridiculous shift from him, his stats must be insane.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:29 am
by happyhooker
Mick Mannock wrote:DragsterDriver wrote:blindcider wrote:Right Irish chaps. I know most of you are genuine but the English generally avoid your thread, so please return the favour!
Posting on the Irish thread is a bannable offense. The Irish seem a very inward-looking crowd, unwilling to welcome the wider world, whilst very keen to comment on it.
No it's not. I've done it on rare occasions, normally to ask a specific question.
Just don't be a twat and you'll be fine.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:34 am
by Plastic Sarrie
Dork Lard wrote:Interested to read what the fans feel is wrong with English Rugby atm. It's obviously not a vintage year, and the key players seem to be in a funk: Farrell Itoje Joseph Kruis... do you feel those are the natural limits of those players that are now being exposed on the various stages, or is it some kind of a hangover from all the recent titles...?
does England need to work to become more like Ireland (as painful as this would be to admit !). Today, Leinster v Saracens didn't seem like two terribly different teams. It just looked like Leinster was a better Saracens, and naturally being at home, won.
Sexton seems basically a better version of Farrell, the Irish packs are globally outplaying the English packs being more crafty and better prepared, and their backs are being utilized better. Ireland teams seem more composed and patient, while the English teams aren't looking clinical and able to withstand the pressure moments or take command during crunch time. They're there, just can't make the right impact and fail consistently when it counts.
Mediocre generation ? Wrong coaching ?
Sarries were missing Billy, Mike Rhodes and Vinny Koch today. Would make a huge difference.
We've been missing Billy and Rhodes most of the season, and that's part of the reason we've not been quite as good as normal.
I also think there's something to be said for the Irish player management post-Lions.
Faz, Maro and Mako have all played insane amounts of rugby over the last few years.
Also, on an England note, Maro made some pretty telling remarks post Quins about being happy to be back in an environment where he felt loved. I wonder whether Eddie's tough love environment is wearing a little thin
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:36 am
by Raggs
happyhooker wrote:Mick Mannock wrote:DragsterDriver wrote:blindcider wrote:Right Irish chaps. I know most of you are genuine but the English generally avoid your thread, so please return the favour!
Posting on the Irish thread is a bannable offense. The Irish seem a very inward-looking crowd, unwilling to welcome the wider world, whilst very keen to comment on it.
No it's not. I've done it on rare occasions, normally to ask a specific question.
Just don't be a twat and you'll be fine.
Agreed. I've asked a few questions there too.
However, at the same time, if England had just won a grand slam over Ireland in Dublin, and English posters were kindly pointing out all the flaws (real and imagined) with the Irish setup, they'd have been banned.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:12 am
by Dobbin
It's been said already but Lozowski was excellent when he came on. I wonder what difference his running game would have made to England in place of Farrell at 12. I know Farrell made some breaks in the 6N but he's never going to have the pace to make them stick unless he has close support. Ford-Loz-JJ might be worth looking at.
All in all it's been a pretty crap season for English teams.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:40 am
by Gospel
Lozowski is a poor man's Cipriani but with a better defence.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:56 am
by JM2K6
Cipriani from when? Cips doesn't have that running game any more and hasn't for years.
Wray was also excellent at times, but made 3 big errors. Would say it's his best performance against a top team though. Also thought Attwood was fantastic for Toulon.
Re: **OFFICIAL** English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:02 pm
by Raggs
JM2K6 wrote:Cipriani from when? Cips doesn't have that running game any more and hasn't for years.
Wray was also excellent at times, but made 3 big errors. Would say it's his best performance against a top team though. Also thought Attwood was fantastic for Toulon.
Cips doesn't run as much, and probably doesn't have quite the same pace, but he still has a very good running game, it's just most the time threatening the defence and passing the ball is the better option. That's where Loz falls down a bit in my mind, reminds me more of Gopperth (faster though), he's far more likely to try and truck it up himself, and whilst it looks great when it works, there's a lot of phases where it just means the 10 is at the bottom of the ruck. Ford doesn't run as much as he did, but it's still in his arsenal for when it's really on. I really like Loz in the centres, it's a bit less pressure in terms of game management, he needs to run it more often, and he has the hands to still keep a move flowing when it needs to go.
Attwood did look really impressive, have to say it adds to the smoke of Bath skirting the salary cap by just not having him on their books for the season (fair enough, he's not playing for them).