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U20s squad announced later. Smith dropping down to that do we think or having a break? Are we still likely to see the likes of Loader and Lawrence who are in the senior training squad next week?


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From not enough scrum halves, to four. Impressive.


Youngs, Spencer, Robson who is the fourth?


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Graham seems to be have been binned off entirely, not in the squad of the 'not considered' list

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Backs: Danny Care (Harlequins), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints), Joe Marchant (Harlequins), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Semesa Rokoduguni (Bath Rugby), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens)

Forwards: Jack Clifford (Harlequins), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Tom Dunn (Bath Rugby), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Will Spencer (Worcester Warriors), Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)


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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?


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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?

3rd test in SA?


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Delighted for Cips. Really pleased that Eddie is going to take a proper look. It sends the right message to players that there is a way back if you perform to a high enough standard week-in and week-out for your club.


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polyallstar wrote:
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From not enough scrum halves, to four. Impressive.


Youngs, Spencer, Robson who is the fourth?


Ben Vellacott, but I think I've mentally combined the training squad with the touring squad. Sorry.


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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?

3rd test in SA?


Might have been. Hill was benched with Back starting, and I don't actually recall who was at 6 though I'll assume Dr Rob, and I don't recall either if Hill came off the bench, but it's the only match it could be I suppose


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Ben Earl is a 7 and only a 7 really.

I've never been convinced by Nathan Earle, even though he's been around the squad a fair bit.


I wasn't even before I saw the televised game where he butchered three tries in 10 minutes


Yep. No idea what Eddie sees in him. Completely unremarkable player. Trinder can play on the wing, why not take him?


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englishchief wrote:
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Ben Earl is a 7 and only a 7 really.

I've never been convinced by Nathan Earle, even though he's been around the squad a fair bit.


I wasn't even before I saw the televised game where he butchered three tries in 10 minutes


Yep. No idea what Eddie sees in him. Completely unremarkable player. Trinder can play on the wing, why not take him?


or Woodburn FFS

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I don't see it with Woodburn. He's a decent wing, but has the advantage of playing for a dominant team. Don't see anything too exceptional watching him play

Not that I've been impressed with Earle though either.


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Bloody happy with that.

Willis. :smug:


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Good to see some new faces - looking forward to the tour :thumbup:


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I don't see it with Woodburn. He's a decent wing, but has the advantage of playing for a dominant team. Don't see anything too exceptional watching him play

Not that I've been impressed with Earle though either.


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Good to see some new faces - looking forward to the tour :thumbup:


Same here.


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Very disappointed to see Robshaw and Brown in, and Woodward not making it. Would have taken two of Armand, Rhodes or Mercer instead of Robshaw and Earl. Prefer Smith or Joe Simmonds to Redpath but maybe that is a Jock block which is always great fun. We need pace in the centres I hope Daly plays there.

Absolutely delighted to see Willis, Shields, Hill and in particular Mark Wilson get the trip. Was hoping to see Tommy Taylor too.


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Good to see some new faces - looking forward to the tour :thumbup:


Same here :thumbup:


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Reckon Townsend has been after Graham's phone number? At the very least, I expect his old man to be stepping up the pressure to look north. :)


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Hepburn not touring? I guess it has not helped that he is not always starting for Exeter, but he appears better than Marler ATM


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Hepburn not touring? I guess it has not helped that he is not always starting for Exeter, but he appears better than Marler ATM

That would be more in matta's range of knowledge than mine.


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Very disappointed to see Robshaw and Brown in, and Woodward not making it. Would have taken two of Armand, Rhodes or Mercer instead of Robshaw and Earl. Prefer Smith or Joe Simmonds to Redpath but maybe that is a Jock block which is always great fun. We need pace in the centres I hope Daly plays there.

Absolutely delighted to see Willis, Shields, Hill and in particular Mark Wilson get the trip. Was hoping to see Tommy Taylor too.


Can’t see Daly playing centre; would mean we would have to start with either Earle or Solomona with May (plus he’s listed as an outside back and we’ve selected a lot of centres).

Looks like there are plenty of candidates to take the 7 shirt and to become a 2nd/3rd choice S/H (two of our big issues). Whilst I’m not too sad we didn’t pick Woodward, it would’ve been good to have a look at another F/B too.


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Very disappointed to see Robshaw and Brown in, and Woodward not making it. Would have taken two of Armand, Rhodes or Mercer instead of Robshaw and Earl. Prefer Smith or Joe Simmonds to Redpath but maybe that is a Jock block which is always great fun. We need pace in the centres I hope Daly plays there.

Absolutely delighted to see Willis, Shields, Hill and in particular Mark Wilson get the trip. Was hoping to see Tommy Taylor too.


Can’t see Daly playing centre; would mean we would have to start with either Earle or Solomona with May (plus he’s listed as an outside back and we’ve selected a lot of centres).

Looks like there are plenty of candidates to take the 7 shirt and to become a 2nd/3rd choice S/H (two of our big issues). Whilst I’m not too sad we didn’t pick Woodward, it would’ve been good to have a look at another F/B too.

Daly?


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Very disappointed to see Robshaw and Brown in, and Woodward not making it. Would have taken two of Armand, Rhodes or Mercer instead of Robshaw and Earl. Prefer Smith or Joe Simmonds to Redpath but maybe that is a Jock block which is always great fun. We need pace in the centres I hope Daly plays there.

Absolutely delighted to see Willis, Shields, Hill and in particular Mark Wilson get the trip. Was hoping to see Tommy Taylor too.


Can’t see Daly playing centre; would mean we would have to start with either Earle or Solomona with May (plus he’s listed as an outside back and we’ve selected a lot of centres).

Looks like there are plenty of candidates to take the 7 shirt and to become a 2nd/3rd choice S/H (two of our big issues). Whilst I’m not too sad we didn’t pick Woodward, it would’ve been good to have a look at another F/B too.

Daly?


Cips I reckon

Eddie today:

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TopNacker wrote:
Very disappointed to see Robshaw and Brown in, and Woodward not making it. Would have taken two of Armand, Rhodes or Mercer instead of Robshaw and Earl. Prefer Smith or Joe Simmonds to Redpath but maybe that is a Jock block which is always great fun. We need pace in the centres I hope Daly plays there.

Absolutely delighted to see Willis, Shields, Hill and in particular Mark Wilson get the trip. Was hoping to see Tommy Taylor too.


Tommy Taylor has barely played this season and looked crocked again on Saturday


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Rhodes has also been out for most of the season and Mercer is a lightweight at the moment


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Margin_Walker wrote:
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Joost wrote:
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Very disappointed to see Robshaw and Brown in, and Woodward not making it. Would have taken two of Armand, Rhodes or Mercer instead of Robshaw and Earl. Prefer Smith or Joe Simmonds to Redpath but maybe that is a Jock block which is always great fun. We need pace in the centres I hope Daly plays there.

Absolutely delighted to see Willis, Shields, Hill and in particular Mark Wilson get the trip. Was hoping to see Tommy Taylor too.


Can’t see Daly playing centre; would mean we would have to start with either Earle or Solomona with May (plus he’s listed as an outside back and we’ve selected a lot of centres).

Looks like there are plenty of candidates to take the 7 shirt and to become a 2nd/3rd choice S/H (two of our big issues). Whilst I’m not too sad we didn’t pick Woodward, it would’ve been good to have a look at another F/B too.

Daly?


Cips I reckon

Eddie today:

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'He's been doing some things that I've asked him to in the games. Now he's got to prove he's the best 10 or 15'


When was the last time Cips played 15? :?


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I haven't seen much of Redpath - but I don't remember him being anything special in the U20s - Is he really at the level of a SA tour - or is this just us getting in before the Jocks. What does he bring to the table ?


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I haven't seen much of Redpath - but I don't remember him being anything special in the U20s - Is he really at the level of a SA tour - or is this just us getting in before the Jocks. What does he bring to the table ?


He's 18 and barely played any U20s really. Probably still technically in school. Probably a bit of showing him a bit of love before Scotland get involved.

Can't really see him getting a cap this tour though, unless they were desperate to tie him in.


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Redpath is still a year young for the U20's, I think he's only just turned 19, may even still be 18.
From what I've heard he's a very silky runner and distributor, a few Sale fans I know think he is similar to Greenwood in playing style. He can slot in at 10 but is viewed almost exclusively as a 12. H'es a decent size as well, plenty of scope to put some bulk on without it affecting his game. Don't know much more than that I'm afraid!

EDIT - I'm sure I read an article saying that Townsend had already spoken to him a few times, so there is a chance that Eddies giving him a bit of encouragement before Scotland come a-knocking :thumbup:


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Redpath is still a year young for the U20's, I think he's only just turned 19, may even still be 18.
From what I've heard he's a very silky runner and distributor, a few Sale fans I know think he is similar to Greenwood in playing style. He can slot in at 10 but is viewed almost exclusively as a 12. H'es a decent size as well, plenty of scope to put some bulk on without it affecting his game. Don't know much more than that I'm afraid!


So, if he looks good in training we might see him come on for a couple of minutes in the 3rd test :nod:


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I haven't seen much of Redpath - but I don't remember him being anything special in the U20s - Is he really at the level of a SA tour - or is this just us getting in before the Jocks. What does he bring to the table ?


He's 18 and barely played any U20s really. Probably still technically in school. Probably a bit of showing him a bit of love before Scotland get involved.

Can't really see him getting a cap this tour though, unless they were desperate to tie him in.
Rugbypass seem to think he's the next big thing: https://www.rugbypass.com/news/potentia ... uth-africa

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Cap him, Eddie.

Seriously, cap him.

Don’t tell us we didn’t warn you.
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Joost wrote:
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Very disappointed to see Robshaw and Brown in, and Woodward not making it. Would have taken two of Armand, Rhodes or Mercer instead of Robshaw and Earl. Prefer Smith or Joe Simmonds to Redpath but maybe that is a Jock block which is always great fun. We need pace in the centres I hope Daly plays there.

Absolutely delighted to see Willis, Shields, Hill and in particular Mark Wilson get the trip. Was hoping to see Tommy Taylor too.


Can’t see Daly playing centre; would mean we would have to start with either Earle or Solomona with May (plus he’s listed as an outside back and we’ve selected a lot of centres).

Looks like there are plenty of candidates to take the 7 shirt and to become a 2nd/3rd choice S/H (two of our big issues). Whilst I’m not too sad we didn’t pick Woodward, it would’ve been good to have a look at another F/B too.

Daly?


Cips I reckon

Eddie today:

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'He's been doing some things that I've asked him to in the games. Now he's got to prove he's the best 10 or 15'


When was the last time Cips played 15? :?


When playing S15?
Gopperth has shifted to FB rather than Cips when Wasps have needed to reshuffle in a game


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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?


2nd Test Aus 2001.


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Jake wrote:
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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?


2nd Test Aus 2001.


jake, we all know you are a huge Hill fanboi - but were you ever convinced on him when he played internationally as an 8 ?
for me, 6 or 7 didnt' really matter as he was always immense then - but at 8 ? who were the flankers then if he was an 8, Back & Worsley ?


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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?


2nd Test Aus 2001.


jake, we all know you are a huge Hill fanboi - but were you ever convinced on him when he played internationally as an 8 ?
for me, 6 or 7 didnt' really matter as he was always immense then - but at 8 ? who were the flankers then if he was an 8, Back & Worsley ?


Well, ironically if you asked him his best Eng performance, after Fra 01, he'll say Scot 99- when he played 8. Dallaglio was the issue- for a long time he didn't want to play at 8 and only 2000 onwards did he play there regularly. (despite often scrummaging at 8 wearing 6).


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backrow wrote:
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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?


2nd Test Aus 2001.


jake, we all know you are a huge Hill fanboi - but were you ever convinced on him when he played internationally as an 8 ?
for me, 6 or 7 didnt' really matter as he was always immense then - but at 8 ? who were the flankers then if he was an 8, Back & Worsley ?


TBF to Jake I mentioned Hill first in response to it being said that Willis doesn't play 7 for his club so can't be 7 for England. I'm more of the opinion that the balance of the backrow is what matters most and was making the point that the Trinity swapped a lot in their early combos to find out who was best where.


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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?


2nd Test Aus 2001.


jake, we all know you are a huge Hill fanboi - but were you ever convinced on him when he played internationally as an 8 ?
for me, 6 or 7 didnt' really matter as he was always immense then - but at 8 ? who were the flankers then if he was an 8, Back & Worsley ?


TBF to Jake I mentioned Hill first in response to it being said that Willis doesn't play 7 for his club so can't be 7 for England. I'm more of the opinion that the balance of the backrow is what matters most and was making the point that the Trinity swapped a lot in their early combos to find out who was best where.


Absolutely.


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Jake wrote:
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Hilly got 14 caps at 8, 18 at 7 and 39 at 6- Lions- 3 at 7, 2 at 6.

Lol was first capped at 7 (when Clarke and Deano were in the side).


I remember Hill being at 6 in the then Jade Stadium, not a game he'll likely look back on with fond memories, when was his other Lions cap at 6?


2nd Test Aus 2001.


jake, we all know you are a huge Hill fanboi - but were you ever convinced on him when he played internationally as an 8 ?
for me, 6 or 7 didnt' really matter as he was always immense then - but at 8 ? who were the flankers then if he was an 8, Back & Worsley ?


Well, ironically if you asked him his best Eng performance, after Fra 01, he'll say Scot 99- when he played 8. Dallaglio was the issue- for a long time he didn't want to play at 8 and only 2000 onwards did he play there regularly. (despite often scrummaging at 8 wearing 6).


interesting - didn't know that about LD
for all his amazing strengths and top skillz, Hill's hard yards trhough traffic crash ballness, was not too near the top of the pile, compared to LD or Worsley or Billy V etc.

my fave thing about Hill, was that it wasn't the flash stuff or amazing breaks - just consistently making the tackle, ripping the ball, being a nuisance to the opposition, being there for the linky pass etc. absolute best 'unseen work' type, and what he actually did so well was best seen when in fact he wasn't playing and England were fecking up and playing like dogshit for some umbeknownst reason.


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