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I’m shocked no-one has referenced the legendary skills of Shontayne Hape.


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I’m shocked no-one has referenced the legendary skills of Shontayne Hape.


Conceivably the best league player at playing in the centres for England, Robinson more a back three, Burgess, Mather and the Sarries lad whose name I stupidly can't recall were awful, Eastmond never really got a chance nor Connolly who could've been genuinely interesting


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I’m shocked no-one has referenced the legendary skills of Shontayne Hape.


Conceivably the best league player at playing in the centres for England, Robinson more a back three, Burgess, Mather and the Sarries lad whose name I stupidly can't recall were awful, Eastmond never really got a chance nor Connolly who could've been genuinely interesting

Joel Tomkins. A player, I'm told, who was astonishingly thick


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The bored is continuing to confuse inside and outside centre.

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The sarchasm claims another victim.


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I’m shocked no-one has referenced the legendary skills of Shontayne Hape.


Conceivably the best league player at playing in the centres for England, Robinson more a back three, Burgess, Mather and the Sarries lad whose name I stupidly can't recall were awful, Eastmond never really got a chance nor Connolly who could've been genuinely interesting

Joel Tomkins. A player, I'm told, who was astonishingly thick


Hard to believe a lad who would later call a barmaid "the f**king rectum of Wigan" and "saddest c**t I’ve ever seen" even though he already knew she was filming him and had asked him to leave the premises multiple times, was regarded as thick tbh :roll:

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I’m shocked no-one has referenced the legendary skills of Shontayne Hape.


The funny thing is we actually played some decent rugby during that 6-9 month phase where Hape and Tindall were in the centres and we had Foden/Ashton/Cueto in the back three

The (admittedly fairly basic) Brian Smith attack pattern of 1) truck it up the middle with two big centres, 2) fling it out wide to Foden and Ashton to score the try did work for a bit, and did a fairly decent job of masking over a relatively lightweight and ageing pack (Deacon, Moody, Easter etc)


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I’m shocked no-one has referenced the legendary skills of Shontayne Hape.


The funny thing is we actually played some decent rugby during that 6-9 month phase where Hape and Tindall were in the centres and we had Foden/Ashton/Cueto in the back three

The (admittedly fairly basic) Brian Smith attack pattern of 1) truck it up the middle with two big centres, 2) fling it out wide to Foden and Ashton to score the try did work for a bit, and did a fairly decent job of masking over a relatively lightweight and ageing pack (Deacon, Moody, Easter etc)


We were hit and miss in that period, Foden and Cueto both linked a lot of play which helped, but even then there wasn't much confidence we'd attack well consistently. Hape did impress reading plays as a defender mind, it's a shame his knees had limited his mobility mind, and of course a shame his brain was getting a pasting, he wasn't far off being really highly rated


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That Crumpton / Robshaw tackle one is fairly mental. 1 miss in 61 tackles ffs


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Hughes and Ludlow cited

Hughes for punching Ludlow
Ludlow for stamping on Daly's head
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/45787854


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Hughes and Ludlow cited

Hughes for punching Ludlow
Ludlow for stamping on Daly's head
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/45787854


Not seen the Hughes one but Ludlow is looking at a couple of weeks. Stepped over a ruck and caught Daly on the way through, it doesn't look intentional but it does look pretty reckless.


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Does anyone else want both Worcester and Bristol to stay up? Would like Newcastle to stay up too. Who do you all think is likely to get relegated?


I do. IMO the premiership is right as it is.

I'm worried about Bristol, they almost have to fight hard for an point and unless they put an incredible and unsustainable effort they can't win. They have that problem where tries are to hard to come by right now. I hope that changes.


They put 5 tries past Saints last week and are trying to play an open game - went very wrong today, but they’ve looked good in most of the other games (even looked to have Sarries in trouble for a period) and are going to be tough to beat at Ashton Gate if they keep their first team fit.

Reckon Bristol will have enough to stay up


I hope so. I take the Saints game as an oulier as both teams "went sod the defense" and went all out for scoring.


Oi. That was Saints best defensive performance this season. At least the final defender was in camera shot each time Briz scored


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Does anyone else want both Worcester and Bristol to stay up? Would like Newcastle to stay up too. Who do you all think is likely to get relegated?


I do. IMO the premiership is right as it is.

I'm worried about Bristol, they almost have to fight hard for an point and unless they put an incredible and unsustainable effort they can't win. They have that problem where tries are to hard to come by right now. I hope that changes.


They put 5 tries past Saints last week and are trying to play an open game - went very wrong today, but they’ve looked good in most of the other games (even looked to have Sarries in trouble for a period) and are going to be tough to beat at Ashton Gate if they keep their first team fit.

Reckon Bristol will have enough to stay up


I hope so. I take the Saints game as an oulier as both teams "went sod the defense" and went all out for scoring.


Oi. That was Saints best defensive performance this season. At least the final defender was in camera shot each time Briz scored


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Nice of Wasps. Offering free tickets to any women's Rugby player to their double header vs Bath in Europe and vs Richmond Ladies afterwards.


https://www.wasps.co.uk/double-header-w ... kets-2018/


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piquant wrote:
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Since precisely when has an England 12 needed awareness, hands and pace?


Since forever, even though the coaches never seem to care for it.


Who would you say has been our best inside centre of the last 20-30 years? Guscott perhaps? Maybe a younger Mike Tindall? Tuilagi?


Jamie Noon.


The bored is continuing to confuse inside and outside centre.I assume as an aside Jake was quite reasonably having some fun at the expense of Farrell's skillset, but whilst Greenwood had awareness and sublime handling he sure as hell didn't have any pace


No, it is quite clear. The outside centre wears 12 and the inside centre wears 13 unless EDF is picking the team in which case they both wear 12 and play at number 8.


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I’m shocked no-one has referenced the legendary skills of Shontayne Hape.


The funny thing is we actually played some decent rugby during that 6-9 month phase where Hape and Tindall were in the centres and we had Foden/Ashton/Cueto in the back three

The (admittedly fairly basic) Brian Smith attack pattern of 1) truck it up the middle with two big centres, 2) fling it out wide to Foden and Ashton to score the try did work for a bit, and did a fairly decent job of masking over a relatively lightweight and ageing pack (Deacon, Moody, Easter etc)


We were hit and miss in that period, Foden and Cueto both linked a lot of play which helped, but even then there wasn't much confidence we'd attack well consistently. Hape did impress reading plays as a defender mind, it's a shame his knees had limited his mobility mind, and of course a shame his brain was getting a pasting, he wasn't far off being really highly rated


it was an incredibly limited style of play, seemed to work when you could bully sides and own the contact area but painfully ineffective against the SH teams

in fairness it seems we may have swung too far in the opposite direction these days - centres that only know how to go sideways and not up the middle


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Ryan Mills looks like the 12 England need. Great awareness, good hands, pace, brave, jackals well....


Since precisely when has an England 12 needed awareness, hands and pace?

Anyone got a Frankie Howerd titter thee not gif/video to post?


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Hughes and Ludlow cited

Hughes for punching Ludlow
Ludlow for stamping on Daly's head
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/45787854


Looks like Ludlow is on top of Hughes and pushes a forearm to his throat.


https://www.englandrugby.com/ertv/video ... UzMjA4NQS2


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Nice of Wasps. Offering free tickets to any women's Rugby player to their double header vs Bath in Europe and vs Richmond Ladies afterwards.


https://www.wasps.co.uk/double-header-w ... kets-2018/

Seems a bit sexist tbh


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Nice of Wasps. Offering free tickets to any women's Rugby player to their double header vs Bath in Europe and vs Richmond Ladies afterwards.


https://www.wasps.co.uk/double-header-w ... kets-2018/

Seems a bit sexist tbh


Just like junior prices are ageist :thumbup:


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Hughes and Ludlow cited

Hughes for punching Ludlow
Ludlow for stamping on Daly's head
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/45787854


Looks like Ludlow is on top of Hughes and pushes a forearm to his throat.


https://www.englandrugby.com/ertv/video ... UzMjA4NQS2


Ludlow appears to smash into Hughes whilst he's still on the ground (after the ball is away).


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So Sale have signed Tom Bristow to bulk up the front row reserves. Is he any good or will he just be a rotation player? Definitely need one so it's nice to see that the coaches have spotted the blindingly obvious.


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Hughes and Ludlow cited

Hughes for punching Ludlow
Ludlow for stamping on Daly's head
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/45787854


Looks like Ludlow is on top of Hughes and pushes a forearm to his throat.


https://www.englandrugby.com/ertv/video ... UzMjA4NQS2


Ludlow appears to smash into Hughes whilst he's still on the ground (after the ball is away).



And here's Ludlow on Dalyhttps://www.englandrugby.com/ertv/video/lewis-ludlow-gloucester-citing/


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So Sale have signed Tom Bristow to bulk up the front row reserves. Is he any good or will he just be a rotation player? Definitely need one so it's nice to see that the coaches have spotted the blindingly obvious.


He’s been at various clubs, Tigers and Wasps notably, fully fit and not getting a huge amount of game time. Suspect he’s a squad player. Plus, Diamond doesn’t seem about to give Harrison less than 78 minutes every week.

How’s Joe Jones getting on?


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Nice of Wasps. Offering free tickets to any women's Rugby player to their double header vs Bath in Europe and vs Richmond Ladies afterwards.


https://www.wasps.co.uk/double-header-w ... kets-2018/

Seems a bit sexist tbh


Just like junior prices are ageist :thumbup:


They should start giving kid girls even cheaper prices then. Aww bless you’re a wee rugby fan. AND aww bless you’re female, here’s a big discount.


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Nice of Wasps. Offering free tickets to any women's Rugby player to their double header vs Bath in Europe and vs Richmond Ladies afterwards.


https://www.wasps.co.uk/double-header-w ... kets-2018/

Seems a bit sexist tbh


Just like junior prices are ageist :thumbup:


They should start giving kid girls even cheaper prices then. Aww bless you’re a wee rugby fan. AND aww bless you’re female, here’s a big discount.

Wasps have been throwing loads of free/discounted tickets around to get their ground filled since their move. It seems to be working.

Who gives a toss about a special promotion.


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Yarde is out for the season.

https://www.planetrugby.com/news/season ... and-yarde/


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Fucking rat cock. Really surprised to see he's only 26, he seems to have been around for ages!


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Citing hearing for Hughes bizarre. Went on for 3 hours then postponed due to an urgent matter. No details of when it will continue. Likely to miss European games and a fair bit of AIs as it stands


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Citing hearing for Hughes bizarre. Went on for 3 hours then postponed due to an urgent matter. No details of when it will continue. Likely to miss European games and a fair bit of AIs as it stands


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Nathan Hughes, the Wasps and England No 8, was hopeful last night that he would not be suspended from playing for England in the autumn Test series next month.

After four hours of hearing evidence, an independent disciplinary panel failed to come to a conclusion last night over whether he should be suspended further for foul play in Wasps’ game against Gloucester and will reconvene in under a week.


Hughes could still be suspended for six weeks or more, which would discount him from playing for England in the autumn series. He had been cited for punching Lewis Ludlow, the Gloucester flanker.

In highly unusual circumstances, however, the three-man panel failed to come to a conclusion which, according to a statement released late last night, was because of “an issue that arose during the evening”. The RFU would not disclose the nature of this issue and has issued a directive that neither Hughes nor his club disclose any information.

Hughes will be suspended from playing until the conclusion of this case. It remains uncertain, therefore, whether he will be able to play for Wasps in their Heineken Champions Cup opener against Leinster tomorrow night. If the hearing is reconvened before the Leinster game, and Hughes is acquitted, then he will be able to play. Wasps are likely to push for the hearing to be rearranged as soon as possible
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matta25 wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
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Nice of Wasps. Offering free tickets to any women's Rugby player to their double header vs Bath in Europe and vs Richmond Ladies afterwards.


https://www.wasps.co.uk/double-header-w ... kets-2018/

Seems a bit sexist tbh


Just like junior prices are ageist :thumbup:


They should start giving kid girls even cheaper prices then. Aww bless you’re a wee rugby fan. AND aww bless you’re female, here’s a big discount.

Wasps have been throwing loads of free/discounted tickets around to get their ground filled since their move. It seems to be working.

Who gives a toss about a special promotion.


I interviewed development people at Wasps and Wuss and that came up. There’s a formula that x amount of quid is spent on top of ticket prices (concessions, kit, souvenirs), so if you know certain games never sell out they tend to give dozens away, if not a couple of hundred. Giving to kids often means an adult or a few come along as well, and with a good experience, maybe they’ll come more often on their own dime.


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Citing hearing for Hughes bizarre. Went on for 3 hours then postponed due to an urgent matter. No details of when it will continue. Likely to miss European games and a fair bit of AIs as it stands


How does it take three hours? The clip posted was a couple minutes, pretty clear. 15 mins would seem plenty.


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Would seem unfair to cop a big ban for hitting someone who is on top of you with their arm on your throat. Especially when that player has been cited for another incident in the same match. 2 weeks as the minimum for the offence, surely.


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He's obviously copped a harsh ban, told the panel to go fuck themselves and thrown the whole pack of biscuits at them


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Ludlow leaped on him well after the ball was away.


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Citing hearing for Hughes bizarre. Went on for 3 hours then postponed due to an urgent matter. No details of when it will continue. Likely to miss European games and a fair bit of AIs as it stands


How does it take three hours? The clip posted was a couple minutes, pretty clear. 15 mins would seem plenty.


Very much this. It's a waste of everyone's time and money. I don't always agree with JB on eggchasers, but he's been pillorying the citing panels and their judicial process quite a lot lately and I'm with him. Multi-hour hearings with lawyers involved is bullshit. Panel of three experts (ex-players and refs) shown the footage, max. an hour to make a decision.


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Citing hearing for Hughes bizarre. Went on for 3 hours then postponed due to an urgent matter. No details of when it will continue. Likely to miss European games and a fair bit of AIs as it stands


How does it take three hours? The clip posted was a couple minutes, pretty clear. 15 mins would seem plenty.


Very much this. It's a waste of everyone's time and money. I don't always agree with JB on eggchasers, but he's been pillorying the citing panels and their judicial process quite a lot lately and I'm with him. Multi-hour hearings with lawyers involved is bullshit. Panel of three experts (ex-players and refs) shown the footage, max. an hour to make a decision.


I much agree. I can barely see how some obvious citings can take more than 15 minutes.


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He's obviously copped a harsh ban, told the panel to go fuck themselves and thrown the whole pack of biscuits at them

Close!!
Apparently he was Tweeting during the hearing
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nathan-hughes-may-miss-england-tests-after-what-a-joke-tweet-curtails-hearing-wtpmmmgv9
Stupid twat if correct!


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The current system of having an entry level for each offence then reductions for good behaviour, increases for eating the custard creams etc is far too complicated.

Can’t they just use the old criteria, which was basically: ‘right, when’s the next England game and how much rest does Johnno need?’


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What's the legal standing with regards to disciplinary hearings? Are they something akin to employment tribunals? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the system is something of a rigmarole because of due process which involves putting lawyers in the room.


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