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He's obviously copped a harsh ban, told the panel to go fuck themselves and thrown the whole pack of biscuits at them

Close!!
Apparently he was Tweeting during the hearing
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nathan-hughes-may-miss-england-tests-after-what-a-joke-tweet-curtails-hearing-wtpmmmgv9
Stupid twat if correct!


Said on the upcoming match thread, it's certainly consistent with the daft penalties he gives away. No sure Nathan's one of life's great thinkers.


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The current system of having an entry level for each offence then reductions for good behaviour, increases for eating the custard creams etc is far too complicated.

Can’t they just use the old criteria, which was basically: ‘right, when’s the next England game and how much rest does Johnno need?’

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Wait a minute :x


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What's the legal standing with regards to disciplinary hearings? Are they something akin to employment tribunals? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the system is something of a rigmarole because of due process which involves putting lawyers in the room.


I’m now envisioning the lawyers being the English version of...

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“Honoured citing commission, over the next two hours, I’ll present to you in depth evidence that this was merely a case of two youts having a harmless scuffle.”


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What's the legal standing with regards to disciplinary hearings? Are they something akin to employment tribunals? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the system is something of a rigmarole because of due process which involves putting lawyers in the room.


I’m now envisioning the lawyers being the English version of...

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“Honoured citing commission, over the next two hours, I’ll present to you in depth evidence that this was merely a case of two youts having a harmless scuffle.”


:lol: Is that gif from when he puts MARISSA TOMEI on the stand?


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It takes some serious level of stupidity to tweet while at a hearing, wow.


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Ryan Mills looks like the 12 England need. Great awareness, good hands, pace, brave, jackals well....


Since precisely when has an England 12 needed awareness, hands and pace?


Since forever, even though the coaches never seem to care for it.


Who would you say has been our best inside centre of the last 20-30 years? Guscott perhaps? Maybe a younger Mike Tindall? Tuilagi?


Jamie Noon.


Well, considering Guscott was primarily an outside centre, as was Manu (played inside once), and Tindall was predominantly an outside centre too.....

In answer, the best inside centre would be between Greenwood and Catt, with Farrell pushing both.


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The sarchasm claims another victim!


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Jake wrote:

Jamie Noon.


Well, considering Guscott was primarily an outside centre, as was Manu (played inside once), and Tindall was predominantly an outside centre too.....

In answer, the best inside centre would be between Greenwood and Catt, with Farrell pushing both.[/quote]

About a week late but fair play. :lol: :thumbup:

Except about Farrell. Not even close. :x


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Jake wrote:
Well, considering Guscott was primarily an outside centre, as was Manu (played inside once), and Tindall was predominantly an outside centre too.....

In answer, the best inside centre would be between Greenwood and Catt, with Farrell pushing both.


:lol:

Clearly don't spend enough time here these days Jake


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Well, considering Guscott was primarily an outside centre, as was Manu (played inside once), and Tindall was predominantly an outside centre too.....

In answer, the best inside centre would be between Greenwood and Catt, with Farrell pushing both.


:lol:

Clearly don't spend enough time here these days Jake


I don’t. Probably best for both you lot and I.


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Jake wrote:
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Well, considering Guscott was primarily an outside centre, as was Manu (played inside once), and Tindall was predominantly an outside centre too.....

In answer, the best inside centre would be between Greenwood and Catt, with Farrell pushing both.


:lol:

Clearly don't spend enough time here these days Jake


I don’t. Probably best for both you lot and I.


Your good quality when you talk rugby. The sad thing is you missed the recent Syd Barrett thread a few days ago. The other acceptable topic :P


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Launchbury out for 10 weeks says the Mail


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And Robson gone for 3 months.


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And Robson gone for 3 months.


Naturlich


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The constant injury layoffs are beginning to dull my interest in watching international rugby. Seeing whose cobbled together mixture of 1sts, 2nds and 3rds falls on the right side of a capricious referee is getting tedious.


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FFS. Season continues to improve then :|


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And Robson gone for 3 months.


As three month absences go it's not a badly timed one given the weather being missed and yet back early enough to contest a 6N spot. My biggest concern might be where to send him for a couple of weeks sun now the UAE suddenly looks a much more worrying destination


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The constant injury layoffs are beginning to dull my interest in watching international rugby. Seeing whose cobbled together mixture of 1sts, 2nds and 3rds falls on the right side of a capricious referee is getting tedious.


+1


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To be honest, I haven't got any idea how we're shaping up going into the Autumn, or even what would be considered a success - it could be anything from 1/4 to 4/4


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To be honest, I haven't got any idea how we're shaping up going into the Autumn, or even what would be considered a success - it could be anything from 1/4 to 4/4


Probably get a better idea after the first two rounds of Europe are done. If Sarries are back to full flight (and it seems like they might well be) then we're probably shaping up okay if not amazingly. No prospect of Robson for November is alarming though. Please, please Eddie, I am begging you, don't pick Richard Wigglesworth again. Please


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And Robson gone for 3 months.


As three month absences go it's not a badly timed one given the weather being missed and yet back early enough to contest a 6N spot. My biggest concern might be where to send him for a couple of weeks sun now the UAE suddenly looks a much more worrying destination


From a Wasps perspective any 3 months are dire for Robson to miss. Simpson is really quite poor these days and Hampson is largely untested.


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And Robson gone for 3 months.


As three month absences go it's not a badly timed one given the weather being missed and yet back early enough to contest a 6N spot. My biggest concern might be where to send him for a couple of weeks sun now the UAE suddenly looks a much more worrying destination


From a Wasps perspective any 3 months are dire for Robson to miss. Simpson is really quite poor these days and Hampson is largely untested.


This. I didn't even know the name of the reserve 9. Simpson is miles past his best


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The constant injury layoffs are beginning to dull my interest in watching international rugby. Seeing whose cobbled together mixture of 1sts, 2nds and 3rds falls on the right side of a capricious referee is getting tedious.


+1


Related: Launch to miss the entirety of the AIs

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piquant wrote:
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And Robson gone for 3 months.


As three month absences go it's not a badly timed one given the weather being missed and yet back early enough to contest a 6N spot. My biggest concern might be where to send him for a couple of weeks sun now the UAE suddenly looks a much more worrying destination


From a Wasps perspective any 3 months are dire for Robson to miss. Simpson is really quite poor these days and Hampson is largely untested.


Luckily the Wasps perspective is barely of concern to me


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1. Pass?
2. Footwork?
3. Pace
3. Bad defence?

What factor contributed most to this score?

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For me, the pass is ok but not spectacular, Billy shifts well while the ball is in the air, he has the pace of a 20st no.8 so for me that is not relevant. But look at that defending - it's shocking. Brown is on the heels, ball watching and turned in - and then he gets done for pace by the 20st no.8!

Apols if done already, I've not seen it highlighted elsewhere.


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From a Graun article about Hughes/Wasps injuries:
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Dai - “Last season, with the salary cap being where it is, not moving, but players’ salaries going up, squads are going to get smaller. And the threat to the English teams is, if you get a couple of injuries to your quality players, are you going to have enough strength in depth to really compete? That’s what the future could hold. It is a benefit that you can rest some players, you can’t hide from that fact.”


To which I say, don't pay! if you need a squad of 40+ to get through the season, then that's what you need and pay players accordingly. If they want more than you can afford while keeping the squad big enough, wish them well and send them on their way. Make better use of your academy and bring through more guys from the Championship. Players and their agents would soon sort out among themselves what a standard viable wage actually is. A £300k/£400k player is a massive risk (see Tigers when they had a massive chunk of salary cap out of action with Toomua and Tuilagi for basically a season).

I don't begrudge players trying to get as much as they can, but there just isn't that much money in the game and clubs do need a certain minimum number of bodies to weather injuries, enable some semblance of rotation and action toward long term player welfare etc., just to get through the season.


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Mr Tickle wrote:
1. Pass?
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What factor contributed most to this score?

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For me, the pass is ok but not spectacular, Billy shifts well while the ball is in the air, he has the pace of a 20st no.8 so for me that is not relevant. But look at that defending - it's shocking. Brown is on the heels, ball watching and turned in - and then he gets done for pace by the 20st no.8!

Apols if done already, I've not seen it highlighted elsewhere.


A team with an overlap scored a try. We need an inquest immediately


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And Robson gone for 3 months.


It's a real shame as he was in line to be 1st choice of the AIs. Youngs' form has been poor and has been dropped by Leicester and Care isn't viewed as a starter. Of course EJ will ignore the young SHs who are going well in the GP (Maunder, Townsend, Vellacott) and pick a has-been like Wigglesworth or Heinz.


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mr Tickle wrote:
1. Pass?
2. Footwork?
3. Pace
3. Bad defence?

What factor contributed most to this score?

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For me, the pass is ok but not spectacular, Billy shifts well while the ball is in the air, he has the pace of a 20st no.8 so for me that is not relevant. But look at that defending - it's shocking. Brown is on the heels, ball watching and turned in - and then he gets done for pace by the 20st no.8!

Apols if done already, I've not seen it highlighted elsewhere.


A team with an overlap scored a try. We need an inquest immediately



At least make them use the overlap!


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From a Graun article about Hughes/Wasps injuries:
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Dai - “Last season, with the salary cap being where it is, not moving, but players’ salaries going up, squads are going to get smaller. And the threat to the English teams is, if you get a couple of injuries to your quality players, are you going to have enough strength in depth to really compete? That’s what the future could hold. It is a benefit that you can rest some players, you can’t hide from that fact.”


To which I say, don't pay!


Great advice. Imagine how much more successful Sarries would be if they had Worcester's player budget


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Mr Tickle wrote:
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Mr Tickle wrote:
1. Pass?
2. Footwork?
3. Pace
3. Bad defence?

What factor contributed most to this score?

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For me, the pass is ok but not spectacular, Billy shifts well while the ball is in the air, he has the pace of a 20st no.8 so for me that is not relevant. But look at that defending - it's shocking. Brown is on the heels, ball watching and turned in - and then he gets done for pace by the 20st no.8!

Apols if done already, I've not seen it highlighted elsewhere.


A team with an overlap scored a try. We need an inquest immediately



At least make them use the overlap!


"Your conceding-tries technique is all wrong. You could be way better at conceding tries than this"


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mr Tickle wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Mr Tickle wrote:
1. Pass?
2. Footwork?
3. Pace
3. Bad defence?

What factor contributed most to this score?

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For me, the pass is ok but not spectacular, Billy shifts well while the ball is in the air, he has the pace of a 20st no.8 so for me that is not relevant. But look at that defending - it's shocking. Brown is on the heels, ball watching and turned in - and then he gets done for pace by the 20st no.8!

Apols if done already, I've not seen it highlighted elsewhere.


A team with an overlap scored a try. We need an inquest immediately



At least make them use the overlap!


"Your conceding-tries technique is all wrong. You could be way better at conceding tries than this"

C'mon chuckles, ok the initial question was wrong, but brown's defence is shocking there.


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Mr Tickle wrote:
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Mr Tickle wrote:
1. Pass?
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3. Pace
3. Bad defence?

What factor contributed most to this score?

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For me, the pass is ok but not spectacular, Billy shifts well while the ball is in the air, he has the pace of a 20st no.8 so for me that is not relevant. But look at that defending - it's shocking. Brown is on the heels, ball watching and turned in - and then he gets done for pace by the 20st no.8!

Apols if done already, I've not seen it highlighted elsewhere.


A team with an overlap scored a try. We need an inquest immediately



At least make them use the overlap!


What shoudl Brown have done? At the point the ball is passed, he had no idea if it was going to BV or short to Goode(? not sure). As soon as he knew, he starts moving towards BV but it is too late as the ball and BV are past him. Looks like pretty good use of the overlap to me.


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I'm not defending Quins or Brown, I'm just bamboozled by the idea that there needs to be some kind of extensive post-mortem around a very good team scoring from an overlap.


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"Your conceding-tries technique is all wrong. You could be way better at conceding tries than this"



The more passes and offloads an attacking team is forced to execute to score a try, the greater the chance of an error. That is fairly near page 1.


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Mr Tickle wrote:
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"Your conceding-tries technique is all wrong. You could be way better at conceding tries than this"



The more passes and offloads an attacking team is forced to execute to score a try, the greater the chance of an error. That is fairly near page 1.


JFC


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What shoudl Brown have done? At the point the ball is passed, he had no idea if it was going to BV or short to Goode(? not sure). As soon as he knew, he starts moving towards BV but it is too late as the ball and BV are past him. Looks like pretty good use of the overlap to me.



I'd expect a top fullback to hedge his bets to be honest. He's on his heels and turned in - why else do you think Lozowski threw the miss pass?


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Mr Tickle wrote:
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What shoudl Brown have done? At the point the ball is passed, he had no idea if it was going to BV or short to Goode(? not sure). As soon as he knew, he starts moving towards BV but it is too late as the ball and BV are past him. Looks like pretty good use of the overlap to me.



I'd expect a top fullback to hedge his bets to be honest. He's on his heels and turned in - why else do you think Lozowski threw the miss pass?


Because that's where the space was


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
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"Your conceding-tries technique is all wrong. You could be way better at conceding tries than this"



The more passes and offloads an attacking team is forced to execute to score a try, the greater the chance of an error. That is fairly near page 1.


JFC


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