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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:29 pm 
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Looks like I was a bit hasty in my predictions of backdoor gloom for Sale.


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Naiyaravoro looks like an adult playing against children. Rob Miller just had the unenviable job of trying to tackle him after a 10m run up with loads of space and unsurprisingly it's resulted in the BP try for Saints. 28 - 10 on 56 minutes. Simpson off injured, so Wasps might start to look better?


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Look I am a sarries fan but I do not know how he called that a tackle when the sarries lineout maul was brought down just short of the line


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:56 pm 
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Wasps have looked much more fluid with Hampson on instead of Simpson and Searle looks more assured than Sopoaga.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:05 pm 
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That was probably the best Saints have played all season. So many more youngsters are getting a go than they did under Mallinder, the club had stagnated to the point of dying.


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Reckon England will go Ford-Farrell next weekend.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:03 pm 
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let's focus on the negatives, seeing as that was a dire game to sit through

Care was absolutely horrific today - it speaks volumes that Wigglesworth looked good off the bench as his replacement

Lozowski looked like a bloke short on gametime, Farrell was a big upgrade at 12

the back row was cleaned out at the breakdown today, it was a carbon-copy repeat of the Scotland game this year

Ford still looks a classy player in attack but perhaps one of the most low-energy 10s in test rugby, it really took Farrell coming on at half-time to spark the team into life

Mercer had the one shot today to put himself in the WC frame and was pretty anonymous, think he's out of the running now


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:21 pm 
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let's focus on the negatives, seeing as that was a dire game to sit through

Care was absolutely horrific today - it speaks volumes that Wigglesworth looked good off the bench as his replacement

Lozowski looked like a bloke short on gametime, Farrell was a big upgrade at 12

the back row was cleaned out at the breakdown today, it was a carbon-copy repeat of the Scotland game this year

Ford still looks a classy player in attack but perhaps one of the most low-energy 10s in test rugby, it really took Farrell coming on at half-time to spark the team into life

Mercer had the one shot today to put himself in the WC frame and was pretty anonymous, think he's out of the running now



The officiating at the breakdown was just ad laughable as against Scotland.


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Reckon England will go Ford-Farrell next weekend.


Yeah-


Danny Care was awful, I expect the papers to give him- 8/10 scored a try.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:24 pm 
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Well , all you Farrell haters, what do you say to that?


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Rugby2023 wrote:
Reckon England will go Ford-Farrell next weekend.


Yeah-


Danny Care was awful, I expect the papers to give him- 8/10 scored a try.



Slade has to go if we’re back to Ford/Faz.


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Well , all you Farrell haters, what do you say to that?


He's still not an international 10, but he might be our best option at 12.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:28 pm 
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Our work in the air is pathetic.


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Rugby2023 wrote:
Reckon England will go Ford-Farrell next weekend.


Yeah-


Danny Care was awful, I expect the papers to give him- 8/10 scored a try.



Slade has to go if we’re back to Ford/Faz.

Tuilagi has been told he’s playing against Aus so he may start.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:33 pm 
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openclashXX wrote:
let's focus on the negatives, seeing as that was a dire game to sit through

Care was absolutely horrific today - it speaks volumes that Wigglesworth looked good off the bench as his replacement

Lozowski looked like a bloke short on gametime, Farrell was a big upgrade at 12

the back row was cleaned out at the breakdown today, it was a carbon-copy repeat of the Scotland game this year

Ford still looks a classy player in attack but perhaps one of the most low-energy 10s in test rugby, it really took Farrell coming on at half-time to spark the team into life

Mercer had the one shot today to put himself in the WC frame and was pretty anonymous, think he's out of the running now


Not even remotely.

Scotland won turnover after turnover on the deck. We couldn't clear them out and inevitably lost possession after a few phases. In this match we won several breakdown penalties and should have had a hatload more - the ref was clearly determined not to give Wilson anything. On the other hand, we retained possession well and chose to turn it over to the Japs, rather than having them win it from us.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:34 pm 
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Him or Te’o I expect?


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Agreed the Care was dreadful but its so annoying that we know what he'll do. Miss tackles, box kick badly, take bad options and then he tends to lose confidence and his timing slows and its nearly impossible for the runners to time their run, one example in second half had 4 English runners over running as he messed with his timing. Eddie to blame in not having another 9 who can start a game and not be terrible.

Williams was really poor for me. No impact in the scrum, missed tackles and made poor offloads, looked really pissed off with his performance and if TH was not such a weak area currently then he would be in trouble.

Ewels was anonymous for me, we have so many good second rows that he cannot afford to be part of such a poor first half performance.

Back row, whilst I think Lawes had one of the better English performances today, he is still at heart a really good if slightly lightweight second row and putting him at 6 unbalances the back row. For me he plays at second row and at full strength is on the bench.

Mercer and Wilson part of the bad in the first half, both lack the experience to cope with some of the questionable refereeing around the tackle but Wilson at least got the second half to make up for things. I would have shifted Lawes to lock and kept Mercer on instead of Ewels.

Care did I mention how poor he was....

Ford, good place kicking but yet another new centre combination meant he was always struggling to get a back line going.

Daly cannot be our fullback going into the world cup we will be put to the sword by any tactically sound team. I hope he is just place-holding for Watson who is still not that much better in the air. Daly and May should be the first choice wingers going to Japan.

Good points - Not conceeding a point in the second half, Itoje and Lawes played well, subs made an impact, Big Joe looks like a different option on the wing. Someone found a gag for Nige for most of the second half, as others have said I don't mind him reffing but he's a f**king disaster for us as an AR. I think even the other AR was embarrassed and tried to even things out with the odd call for England.

Inconsistent refereeing, if you want to be laissez-faire about things like forward passes, tackle completion and taking players out beyond the tackle then don't be a pedantic git on some other offences!


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the ref was clearly determined not to give Wilson anything.

"Am I okay ref?",....................... "Well you were until you let go of it".


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It's got to be a ford, Farrell combination. Wouldn't mind seeing manu alongside Farrell.


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It's got to be a ford, Farrell combination. Wouldn't mind seeing manu alongside Farrell.

I’m excited and terrified by it.

Could be good but both can be shocking defenders.


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Ford was a complete fanny today and it seemed to rub off on the rest of the side for the entirety of the first half. I've seen him really getting stuck in domestically but he's a complete mincer in an England shirt when the going gets tough.


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Wendigo7 wrote:
Nabberuk wrote:
It's got to be a ford, Farrell combination. Wouldn't mind seeing manu alongside Farrell.

I’m excited and terrified by it.

Could be good but both can be shocking defenders.



It'd be exciting seeing which one of the mistimes the shoot up and creates the dog leg!! Or if they both do it? :o

Its 10 games to go, there is no magic solutions, so fitness and form being equal, I'm going with

Youngs
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Care, Manu, Nowell as cover.


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I liked FijiJoe, fitted in well.

Daly really shows just how good browns cover defence is, second week running he’s overrun a tackle and again sketchy in the air. He’s not played enough at 15.


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Madness wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
Nabberuk wrote:
It's got to be a ford, Farrell combination. Wouldn't mind seeing manu alongside Farrell.

I’m excited and terrified by it.

Could be good but both can be shocking defenders.



It'd be exciting seeing which one of the mistimes the shoot up and creates the dog leg!! Or if they both do it? :o

Its 10 games to go, there is no magic solutions, so fitness and form being equal, I'm going with

Youngs
Ford
May
Farrell
Joseph
Daly
Watson

Care, Manu, Nowell as cover.



9 youngs
10 Faz
11 May
12 Tuilagi/Teo
13 Daly
14 Watson
15 Brown


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Ford was a complete fanny today and it seemed to rub off on the rest of the side for the entirety of the first half. I've seen him really getting stuck in domestically but he's a complete mincer in an England shirt when the going gets tough.


Yep. Time to move on from Ford. Not good enough.


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Ford was a complete fanny today and it seemed to rub off on the rest of the side for the entirety of the first half. I've seen him really getting stuck in domestically but he's a complete mincer in an England shirt when the going gets tough.


Yep. Time to move on from Ford. Not good enough.


Has there ever been a game when you haven't said it's time to move on from Ford?


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I know it was only Newcastle but brown was superb yesterday. Passed almost as much as he carried 2, with one sublime offload to set up a try. Hopefully Eddie likes what he sees when he watches.

Gary Graham was also excellent...


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Posting through Saints-tinted glasses here, but Alex Mitchell will be the answer to all of England's scrum half problems.


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Brown got more help than Daly. Mitchell's system leaves the fullback on their own, Daly is being hung to dry a bit.


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I notice Slade kept up his spectacular tackle success with 5 missed in 6 attempts.


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Wasn't Brown playing on the left wing for Quins this weekend?


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Wasn't Brown playing on the left wing for Quins this weekend?


Printed team sheets showed him at 15.


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Really? The teamsheet on the Quins twitter shows 11 Brown 15 Morris 14 Earle


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Really? The teamsheet on the Quins twitter shows 11 Brown 15 Morris 14 Earle


Very late change. Showed 15 on the video, apparently announced. Wore 15. Either way, definitely played FB.


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Mad win for Ireland!

Fascinating they chose To defend the last 2 minutes rather than try and retain possession. Really clever team :thumbup:


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Fantastic Irish win...but makes it obvious we should have won last week..It's not a great ABside


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Odd but very intense and enjoyable game. Ireland were very good without the ball. New Zealand were clueless with it.


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Fantastic Irish win...but makes it obvious we should have won last week..It's not a great ABside


I’ve been beating that drum for a while, deffo not a vintage kiwi side at all. I think Read May be too nice, I don’t expect him to be skipper at the RWC.

Big up Ireland though!


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Wafer thin between us, Ireland and NZ. Wales and SA closing in.

Of those teams though, we probably are the most likely to play poorly though.


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Maybe not a vintage AB side but Ireland would have smashed the shit out of England tonight.


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