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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:34 am 
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What? Sorry that's not even hyping. If you think I'm hyping I'll gladly disagree with you.

I think he's a top class prop. I'm not saying he offers what Mako does in the loose, but I disagree with the majority if so in here about his other skills. He's not a passable international, he's a good international with solid basics. Looking at the amount of utter bollocks we showed in the front row in 2018 (for various reasons), his solidity and Mako hitting form has been a nice filet for the pack.

When you look at a prop, you want him primarily NOT a carrier, he's to be good at the lineouts, scrums and at the breakdown and a useful tackler. That's why Marler was so good and frequently started ahead of Mako. Mako's physicality and ball handling, carries etc are a serious plus but they are the icing on top, it's not what I would look for first. It's all well and good being a good ball player but for years we derided Mako for being a shite prop around the scrum and lineouts. He's been brilliant this year sure, but the basic skill set of a prop Moon has been excellent at and I don't think that's any hyping, it's what he's picked for.


His skillset is he's a doughty scrum-first prop who can push and hit rucks. He's bad with ball in hand and doesn't carry much, nor will he make a huge number of tackles (usually).

Apart from running, passing, tackling, jackling, and probably kicking, he has a very similar skillset... :roll:


Wonder what Moon's tackling stats were like in the AIs - thought he played very well in them.


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Been mentioned, but House of Rugby podcast was pretty decent this week with Hask and Tindall. Not so much for the review of the game, but for the reminiscing about various players that were liabilities in training. Hask's story about playing Clermont as a teenager with Dallaglio when it all kicked off was also pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gfj-lyDW-4


Halfway through that and it’s quality :lol: :thumbup:


This format really is great for Haskell. He really does a great job with his rugby stories. I love the way he describes Dallaglio's reaction to him "backing him up".


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Can they get rid of Tindall? Andy Farrell's left nut is more charismatic.


I think Tindall is good at partnering up Haskell.


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Some of it comes from the captain, and Laidlaw's approach is pretty chippy.

Haskell did a Q&A at the Oxford Union recently and they've just published it on YouTube, it's worth a watch but there's a specific part at the end which I thought was interesting. Hask points out that the World Cup is an extremely singular scenario - you're off in a foreign country for weeks at a time, hothoused with your team, under enormous pressure to perform. To be able to succeed in that environment takes a certain mindset and temperament which some people and players have and others don't. According to Hask, Eddie has explicitly stated that in selection terms sometimes he might prioritise a player who he believes will be able to perform consistently in that environment over one who doesn't even if the latter might ostensibly be the more obvious pick from a rugby point of view. Very interesting. Anyway the video in full is fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePoyYKniGHU


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Tom Curry has been a revelation. I expected him to be excellent at the breakdown, to be a solid, but non-destructive tackler and to offer little as a carrier. Right, wrong and wrong. He is so much more physical in the tackle than he looked last year and has really stood out as a carrier who makes yards in traffic.

He and Wilson have changed everything for this side- more than the infusion of better carriers I'd argue. Of course having Billy and Manu hit it up is a huge edge on Hughes and Farrell, but I think it's the breakdown that has made the difference.

Early in Eddie's tenure we solved the problem of not having a traditional 7 or a 6 who was good on the ground by just hammering people off our ball and piling into opposition rucks wildly to mess with theirs. We kicked through the ruck more than anyone and were sliding off tackles to compete for the ball. The law changes put a stop to the last two of those gambits. Last year we were back to being awful again, getting turned over repeatedly, securing slow ball and putting no pressure on opposition ball.

I'd agree that our increased power - and fitness - means that the rucks are in the right place more often, but what's really changed is how we handle them. The front row have been terrific in hitting them, the locks have been too, but there's a ruthless precision and effectiveness about Wilson and Curry that I haven't seem from England in a long time. Any attempt to poach our ball is just blasted away. Isolated runners don't stay isolated. No-one is getting held up. Opponents ball is targetted when vulnerable and slowed when not. The combination of pace, energy, power and above all tactical intelligence has been a revelation.

Wales will be the biggest test, but if we can fight the welsh back-row to a draw, it'll be the first time in many years. The achilles heel of this England team has for so long been the poor breakdown work- particularly because we want to be a bully and it's just not possible to do that if you keep getting turned over. That moment where Wilson ran over to Curry after his turnover and was so excited for him he couldn't contain himself was telling I thought. England are starting to hunt opponents ball, rather than rely on opportunistic jackling by one man in the right place. It has felt for both games like our ball was safer than the opponents ball and it's a long time since I have had that sense.


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Raggs - Probably, but I don't think the skillsets are too different bar their attacking abilities.


Jesus fucking Christ

He's one of yours.


He hypes like a Wasps fan though

Absolute tosh. We Wasps fans are measured, stoic and self-deprecating.


You have spelled defecating incorrectly :P


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On a different note, was it me or did Jamie George have a quietly really good game? Seemed to pop up a few times to get on loose ball, line out went well....


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On a different note, was it me or did Jamie George have a quietly really good game? Seemed to pop up a few times to get on loose ball, line out went well....


I will hold my hands up and say in the AIs I wanted George replaced as he wasn't doing it in an England shirt. So far in the 6N he has done pretty much everything right if unspectacularly compared to Mako, etc. and is well on the way to proving me wrong


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So, the Eddie Jones is beasting players, building up fitness levels for the RWC, doesn't look quite so silly on the back of two of the most physical and intense/pacy games from England we've seen in a very long time. Now England need to learn how to play at this pace and cut out the errors that seem to be coming from it, good job we've got a tournament to do so in.


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On a different note, was it me or did Jamie George have a quietly really good game? Seemed to pop up a few times to get on loose ball, line out went well....


I will hold my hands up and say in the AIs I wanted George replaced as he wasn't doing it in an England shirt. So far in the 6N he has done pretty much everything right if unspectacularly compared to Mako, etc. and is well on the way to proving me wrong


Also helps that LCD is now playing like a drunk in oven gloves.


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On the whole 'we were shit last year because Eddie beasted them - I dont see it...

Im no S+C expert but surely any extra gains made by physical conditioning this time last year would be lost by now due to the following months of club rugby/summer break/SA tour etc?


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On the whole 'we were shit last year because Eddie beasted them - I dont see it...

Im no S+C expert but surely any extra gains made by physical conditioning this time last year would be lost by now due to the following months of club rugby/summer break/SA tour etc?


The S+C expert reckons you can. The intensity we're now seeing suggests he may have been right.


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On the whole 'we were shit last year because Eddie beasted them - I dont see it...

Im no S+C expert but surely any extra gains made by physical conditioning this time last year would be lost by now due to the following months of club rugby/summer break/SA tour etc?


The S+C expert reckons you can. The intensity we're now seeing suggests he may have been right.


Also there's the mental aspect


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On a different note, was it me or did Jamie George have a quietly really good game? Seemed to pop up a few times to get on loose ball, line out went well....


Carried well, supported other carriers well, good soft hands on at least two occasions. Only one line out where he threw to the French side, which is better than (my perception of) his average.

Best game for England?


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So, the question of the hour is, will Eddie stick or twist for Cardiff? I think he'll revert to Nowell starting - Ashton was okay if not scintillating yesterday, but he was pretty obviously picked for his extra gas compared to the Rotherham Flyer given that the gameplan was to find grass with the ball all day long, and I think we're all agreed that Wales aren't going to be nearly as inept at fielding kicks as France were. I'm going to go ahead and assume that the brave noises about Itoje being available are Eddie exaggeration but that Mako will be fit (if he's not it seems like the call will be to bring in Genge, probably going to the bench). So I reckon it's basically a case of reverting to the team that beat Ireland bar keeping the locks the same as this week. Anyone feel differently? Where do we think Wales have looked vulnerable so far?


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If Itoje is fit, which lock combination do we go for? Lawes was excellent yesterday and Kruis, though not as prominent, is our primary lineout caller. Then there is Launch who can be relied upon to perform every game.

I'd be tempted to go with Launch and Itoje (the latter calling the lineout) with Laweson the bench. Lawes provides more from the bench, and Launch/Itoje strengthens the scrum/has a high work rate in the loose. Kruis misses out, for me, only because the other locks offer more overall.


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Welsh lineout looked poor vs Italy but I think that was more a function of Dee being a crap thrower and a lack of cohesion in their lineout drill with a scratch side

There's lots of individual components we could try and target (Welsh halfbacks, possible weakness at set piece, slightly wonky back row with Moriarty at 8) but it'll come down as always to the collisions and who dominates the gainline, Welsh will have had the extra week to recover but maybe lack the bulk that we have across the side


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So, the question of the hour is, will Eddie stick or twist for Cardiff? I think he'll revert to Nowell starting - Ashton was okay if not scintillating yesterday, but he was pretty obviously picked for his extra gas compared to the Rotherham Flyer given that the gameplan was to find grass with the ball all day long, and I think we're all agreed that Wales aren't going to be nearly as inept at fielding kicks as France were. I'm going to go ahead and assume that the brave noises about Itoje being available are Eddie exaggeration but that Mako will be fit (if he's not it seems like the call will be to bring in Genge, probably going to the bench). So I reckon it's basically a case of reverting to the team that beat Ireland bar keeping the locks the same as this week. Anyone feel differently? Where do we think Wales have looked vulnerable so far?


I reckon they might stick with Ashton - while Wales won't be as positionally naive as the French back 3 to our kicking game (and won't be surprised by it and have a centre at 15, like Ireland), I reckon they will look to drop a couple of players back and bank on defending outside breaks from our backs (and look to Navidi and Tipuric to win the breakdown battle from any breaks we make into their 22); if there's one player you want running support lines in that situation, it's Ashton.

I'd always go for Launchbury and Itoje at lock, but I wouldn't worry too much about any combination of those 4.

Difficult to know what to expect from Wales - they've only really played for 40 minutes this championship and haven't shown their cards at all. I think they'll target our back 3 a lot more effectively than Ireland/France have so far and they'll pay attention to the gaps Dupont found in the second half yesterday. You can also be sure that a team coaching by Gatland and Edwards will defend the tight channels well and will play for 80 minutes. Having said that, pretty much all of our players will have recent experience of playing and winning in Cardiff.

Just annoying that I have to wait 2 weeks for this!


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Assuming all fit, I'd go Kruis and Lawes with Itoje on the bench following his lay-off.


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There are definitely weaknesses (or relative ones) to our game which Wales can target:

1. Set piece is not perfect by any stretch, but appears to be functioning better than I feared it may... but we're far from unbeatable at either
2. Scrumhalf - Youngs is always open to having one of those games. His passing can go to pot if he's having a mare
3. Missed tackles - whilst our defence tends to mop up these, we make a lot of them and as France's try shows - if we get more than one in any single break it's try time
4. Midfield - far from impenetrable and Tuilagi didn't have his best game against France in defence. Slade had a good game (again, for me) but he's also not infallible
5. Daly - Much, much better against France and does appear to be improving game-on-game, but can let the pressure get to him and his aerial game then falls apart

If Wales pressure these points smartly (and we have to assume they will) we could end up coming unstuck.


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There are definitely weaknesses (or relative ones) to our game which Wales can target:

1. Set piece is not perfect by any stretch, but appears to be functioning better than I feared it may... but we're far from unbeatable at either
2. Scrumhalf - Youngs is always open to having one of those games. His passing can go to pot if he's having a mare
3. Missed tackles - whilst our defence tends to mop up these, we make a lot of them and as France's try shows - if we get more than one in any single break it's try time
4. Midfield - far from impenetrable and Tuilagi didn't have his best game against France in defence. Slade had a good game (again, for me) but he's also not infallible
5. Daly - Much, much better against France and does appear to be improving game-on-game, but can let the pressure get to him and his aerial game then falls apart

If Wales pressure these points smartly (and we have to assume they will) we could end up coming unstuck.


Or - as he showed for periods against France - even when he's playing well. Some of the passing from SH in the build up to one of our tries was abysmal. Ankle-height balls, or passes that hit the ground before the receiver. And he was actually having a good game under virtually no pressure!


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There are definitely weaknesses (or relative ones) to our game which Wales can target:

1. Set piece is not perfect by any stretch, but appears to be functioning better than I feared it may... but we're far from unbeatable at either
2. Scrumhalf - Youngs is always open to having one of those games. His passing can go to pot if he's having a mare
3. Missed tackles - whilst our defence tends to mop up these, we make a lot of them and as France's try shows - if we get more than one in any single break it's try time
4. Midfield - far from impenetrable and Tuilagi didn't have his best game against France in defence. Slade had a good game (again, for me) but he's also not infallible
5. Daly - Much, much better against France and does appear to be improving game-on-game, but can let the pressure get to him and his aerial game then falls apart

If Wales pressure these points smartly (and we have to assume they will) we could end up coming unstuck.


Or - as he showed for periods against France - even when he's playing well. Some of the passing from SH in the build up to one of our tries was abysmal. Ankle-height balls, or passes that hit the ground before the receiver. And he was actually having a good game under virtually no pressure!


There was a lot of passing that wasn't quite to hand from both sides. I think that ball was proper greasy


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I think a lot will depend on who Wales pick at 10. Anscombe doesn't scare me in any one particular facet of play, but whilst Biggar was poor against Italy his aerial game would worry me with Daly at 15. Saying that, I was worried about that with Ireland's kicking game, too.


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pjm1 wrote:
There are definitely weaknesses (or relative ones) to our game which Wales can target:

1. Set piece is not perfect by any stretch, but appears to be functioning better than I feared it may... but we're far from unbeatable at either
2. Scrumhalf - Youngs is always open to having one of those games. His passing can go to pot if he's having a mare
3. Missed tackles - whilst our defence tends to mop up these, we make a lot of them and as France's try shows - if we get more than one in any single break it's try time
4. Midfield - far from impenetrable and Tuilagi didn't have his best game against France in defence. Slade had a good game (again, for me) but he's also not infallible
5. Daly - Much, much better against France and does appear to be improving game-on-game, but can let the pressure get to him and his aerial game then falls apart

If Wales pressure these points smartly (and we have to assume they will) we could end up coming unstuck.


1. Agreed, but I'm not sure Wales have the players to do it.
2. True. Gulp.
3. True of any team really - miss a couple of tackles in quick succession and you are in trouble
4. Agreed.
5. Biggar (if they pick him) fielding his own kicks around the England 22 makes me very nervous.

To me, the biggest question is how England will react if Plan A doesn't work or if the opposition start causing us problems at the breakdown (which Wales absolutely can do). So far, Ireland and France have let England impose their game plan almost unchallenged.

I'd expect a fired up Wales, at home and with immortality beckoning (12 wins in a row and another grand slam on the horizon) to throw a lot more at us than either of Ireland or France managed.


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There are definitely weaknesses (or relative ones) to our game which Wales can target:

1. Set piece is not perfect by any stretch, but appears to be functioning better than I feared it may... but we're far from unbeatable at either
2. Scrumhalf - Youngs is always open to having one of those games. His passing can go to pot if he's having a mare
3. Missed tackles - whilst our defence tends to mop up these, we make a lot of them and as France's try shows - if we get more than one in any single break it's try time
4. Midfield - far from impenetrable and Tuilagi didn't have his best game against France in defence. Slade had a good game (again, for me) but he's also not infallible
5. Daly - Much, much better against France and does appear to be improving game-on-game, but can let the pressure get to him and his aerial game then falls apart

If Wales pressure these points smartly (and we have to assume they will) we could end up coming unstuck.


Or - as he showed for periods against France - even when he's playing well. Some of the passing from SH in the build up to one of our tries was abysmal. Ankle-height balls, or passes that hit the ground before the receiver. And he was actually having a good game under virtually no pressure!


There was a lot of passing that wasn't quite to hand from both sides. I think that ball was proper greasy


You almost wonder if they've changed the grip or something with the amount of balls spilled over the first two rounds. There were a lot of knock-ons too


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There are definitely weaknesses (or relative ones) to our game which Wales can target:

1. Set piece is not perfect by any stretch, but appears to be functioning better than I feared it may... but we're far from unbeatable at either
2. Scrumhalf - Youngs is always open to having one of those games. His passing can go to pot if he's having a mare
3. Missed tackles - whilst our defence tends to mop up these, we make a lot of them and as France's try shows - if we get more than one in any single break it's try time
4. Midfield - far from impenetrable and Tuilagi didn't have his best game against France in defence. Slade had a good game (again, for me) but he's also not infallible
5. Daly - Much, much better against France and does appear to be improving game-on-game, but can let the pressure get to him and his aerial game then falls apart

If Wales pressure these points smartly (and we have to assume they will) we could end up coming unstuck.


1. Agreed, but I'm not sure Wales have the players to do it.
2. True. Gulp.
3. True of any team really - miss a couple of tackles in quick succession and you are in trouble
4. Agreed.
5. Biggar (if they pick him) fielding his own kicks around the England 22 makes me very nervous.

To me, the biggest question is how England will react if Plan A doesn't work or if the opposition start causing us problems at the breakdown (which Wales absolutely can do). So far, Ireland and France have let England impose their game plan almost unchallenged.

I'd expect a fired up Wales, at home and with immortality beckoning (12 wins in a row and another grand slam on the horizon) to throw a lot more at us than either of Ireland or France managed.


Agreed... the massive positive for me is that our back row / breakdown is not in the above list of 5 "risks" for the first time pretty much ever! That doesn't mean we're going to own it (especially against Wales) but I think at worst we're able to trade blows in that area, if not excel. The one caveat to that is getting on the right side of the ref, as interpretation it what's it's all about...


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Much like in Dublin ,we need to silence the crowd early doors


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pjm1 wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
pjm1 wrote:
There are definitely weaknesses (or relative ones) to our game which Wales can target:

1. Set piece is not perfect by any stretch, but appears to be functioning better than I feared it may... but we're far from unbeatable at either
2. Scrumhalf - Youngs is always open to having one of those games. His passing can go to pot if he's having a mare
3. Missed tackles - whilst our defence tends to mop up these, we make a lot of them and as France's try shows - if we get more than one in any single break it's try time
4. Midfield - far from impenetrable and Tuilagi didn't have his best game against France in defence. Slade had a good game (again, for me) but he's also not infallible
5. Daly - Much, much better against France and does appear to be improving game-on-game, but can let the pressure get to him and his aerial game then falls apart

If Wales pressure these points smartly (and we have to assume they will) we could end up coming unstuck.


1. Agreed, but I'm not sure Wales have the players to do it.
2. True. Gulp.
3. True of any team really - miss a couple of tackles in quick succession and you are in trouble
4. Agreed.
5. Biggar (if they pick him) fielding his own kicks around the England 22 makes me very nervous.

To me, the biggest question is how England will react if Plan A doesn't work or if the opposition start causing us problems at the breakdown (which Wales absolutely can do). So far, Ireland and France have let England impose their game plan almost unchallenged.

I'd expect a fired up Wales, at home and with immortality beckoning (12 wins in a row and another grand slam on the horizon) to throw a lot more at us than either of Ireland or France managed.


Agreed... the massive positive for me is that our back row / breakdown is not in the above list of 5 "risks" for the first time pretty much ever! That doesn't mean we're going to own it (especially against Wales) but I think at worst we're able to trade blows in that area, if not excel. The one caveat to that is getting on the right side of the ref, as interpretation it what's it's all about...


I know. It is a strange feeling. I'm not sure I trust it yet.


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Tuilagi needs to be used further out the line, he was easily bottled up by Bastareaud & general traffic. He was devastating at 13 at one time.


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It seems to me that a lot of people are delighted that Eddie appears to have come up with gameplans to combat Ireland's strengths and take advantage of France's weaknesses. I'd prefer us to just be good enough to beat whatever is in front of us, rather than out-thinking teams tactically. You're not going to beat the best teams by just coming up with a gameplan, you need to be better than them.

Plenty of time of course, I just worry that we're concentrating too much on the opposition rather than just being better. If the opposition changes the way they operate either midgame or catches us cold with new tactics, are we in a position to adapt? A lot has already been said about our inability to create much beyond the first few phases.


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It seems to me that a lot of people are delighted that Eddie appears to have come up with gameplans to combat Ireland's strengths and take advantage of France's weaknesses. I'd prefer us to just be good enough to beat whatever is in front of us, rather than out-thinking teams tactically. You're not going to beat the best teams by just coming up with a gameplan, you need to be better than them.

Plenty of time of course, I just worry that we're concentrating too much on the opposition rather than just being better. If the opposition changes the way they operate either midgame or catches us cold with new tactics, are we in a position to adapt? A lot has already been said about our inability to create much beyond the first few phases.



That first paragraph is f**king ridiculous.


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It seems to me that a lot of people are delighted that Eddie appears to have come up with gameplans to combat Ireland's strengths and take advantage of France's weaknesses. I'd prefer us to just be good enough to beat whatever is in front of us, rather than out-thinking teams tactically. You're not going to beat the best teams by just coming up with a gameplan, you need to be better than them.

Plenty of time of course, I just worry that we're concentrating too much on the opposition rather than just being better. If the opposition changes the way they operate either midgame or catches us cold with new tactics, are we in a position to adapt? A lot has already been said about our inability to create much beyond the first few phases.


Fucking hell. Right, I'm out, catch you on the match thread in two weeks everyone


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Tuilagi needs to be used further out the line, he was easily bottled up by Bastareaud & general traffic. He was devastating at 13 at one time.


I'm not sure he's quite at international speed yet in terms of thought or deed. Playing at a mix of 12 and 13 might therefore suit, as does the varying us of bosher, decoy and passer/offloader.

He's only just back to rugby after a long period out, let alone international rugby. One step at a time and all that... I also think his blunt trauma approach is simply a weapon to have in the armoury, rather than the be-all and end-all which it might once have been. That's more to do with the development of the game and tactics by teams than about him, per se. It's moved on a bit.

Having him, Billy, Mako, Lawes, Itoje all punching holes when the defensive line is thinner, combined with the rapier attacks of Slade, Nowell/Ashton, Daly are what might keep teams from just dropping 4-5 defenders back to field the high balls. Add in a bit of Youngs sniping and defences really do need to be firing on all cylinders to prepare and counter what we can throw at them when we click.


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RodneyRegis wrote:
It seems to me that a lot of people are delighted that Eddie appears to have come up with gameplans to combat Ireland's strengths and take advantage of France's weaknesses. I'd prefer us to just be good enough to beat whatever is in front of us, rather than out-thinking teams tactically. You're not going to beat the best teams by just coming up with a gameplan, you need to be better than them.

Plenty of time of course, I just worry that we're concentrating too much on the opposition rather than just being better. If the opposition changes the way they operate either midgame or catches us cold with new tactics, are we in a position to adapt? A lot has already been said about our inability to create much beyond the first few phases.


So the number 2 side in the world away is not "one of the best teams" now? You set a very high bar sir.


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The intensity and pace we've been playing with has nothing to do with a gameplan either. That alone would have put us in a solid position to win, especially with France.


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Rugby2023 wrote:
Tuilagi needs to be used further out the line, he was easily bottled up by Bastareaud & general traffic. He was devastating at 13 at one time.


I'm not sure he's quite at international speed yet in terms of thought or deed. Playing at a mix of 12 and 13 might therefore suit, as does the varying us of bosher, decoy and passer/offloader.

He's only just back to rugby after a long period out, let alone international rugby. One step at a time and all that... I also think his blunt trauma approach is simply a weapon to have in the armoury, rather than the be-all and end-all which it might once have been. That's more to do with the development of the game and tactics by teams than about him, per se. It's moved on a bit.

Having him, Billy, Mako, Lawes, Itoje all punching holes when the defensive line is thinner, combined with the rapier attacks of Slade, Nowell/Ashton, Daly are what might keep teams from just dropping 4-5 defenders back to field the high balls. Add in a bit of Youngs sniping and defences really do need to be firing on all cylinders to prepare and counter what we can throw at them when we click.


Having real speed out wide, lots of powerful ball carriers (some of whom also have decent hands - see Sinkler's absurd pass for Slade to score for example), several creative players with ball in hand and several players who can kick tactically potentially make it very hard for opposition teams to stop all of England's attacking options simultaneously. So far, Ireland and France haven't caused England to look at other options, but I hope that the team has been working on exploiting space differently according to how teams defend and these moves are ready to go when needed.


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A5D5E5 wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
It seems to me that a lot of people are delighted that Eddie appears to have come up with gameplans to combat Ireland's strengths and take advantage of France's weaknesses. I'd prefer us to just be good enough to beat whatever is in front of us, rather than out-thinking teams tactically. You're not going to beat the best teams by just coming up with a gameplan, you need to be better than them.

Plenty of time of course, I just worry that we're concentrating too much on the opposition rather than just being better. If the opposition changes the way they operate either midgame or catches us cold with new tactics, are we in a position to adapt? A lot has already been said about our inability to create much beyond the first few phases.


So the number 2 side in the world away is not "one of the best teams" now? You set a very high bar sir.

Chill Winston. It's just an observation - no doubt we've been f**king brutally good, and considering where we were 12 months ago it's an unbelievable turnaround.

There has been plenty of comment that we were a bit nothing off multi phase ball yesterday, and that we out Irelanded ireland.

Delighted I've seen off chuckles though.

I would contend that Ireland had an off day to match our best game for years. They were hardly top 2 material against Scotland either.


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RodneyRegis wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
It seems to me that a lot of people are delighted that Eddie appears to have come up with gameplans to combat Ireland's strengths and take advantage of France's weaknesses. I'd prefer us to just be good enough to beat whatever is in front of us, rather than out-thinking teams tactically. You're not going to beat the best teams by just coming up with a gameplan, you need to be better than them.

Plenty of time of course, I just worry that we're concentrating too much on the opposition rather than just being better. If the opposition changes the way they operate either midgame or catches us cold with new tactics, are we in a position to adapt? A lot has already been said about our inability to create much beyond the first few phases.


So the number 2 side in the world away is not "one of the best teams" now? You set a very high bar sir.

Chill Winston. It's just an observation - no doubt we've been f**king brutally good, and considering where we were 12 months ago it's an unbelievable turnaround.

There has been plenty of comment that we were a bit nothing off multi phase ball yesterday, and that we out Irelanded ireland.

Delighted I've seen off chuckles though.

I would contend that Ireland had an off day to match our best game for years. They were hardly top 2 material against Scotland either.


Good film.

As for the rest of your posts, is this a fair summary:

You don't want us to have a gameplan and prefer that we beat "the best teams" (using whatever definition of "the best" suits your argument at that point in time) using some indefinable "goodness".

It would appear that you are to rugby strategy what Redbeard Rum is to the theory of sea captaincy.


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Another Corbyn comment unearthed, this time supposedly from an event in 2010

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“They, the world’s bankers, International Monetary Fund, European Union, they are utterly united in what they want. Utterly united in deflation, suppressing the economy, and creating unemployment. Utterly united in that.”

“We will not be silenced by these people. We will win through. We will defeat them”


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Another Corbyn comment unearthed, this time supposedly from an event in 2010

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“They, the world’s bankers, International Monetary Fund, European Union, they are utterly united in what they want. Utterly united in deflation, suppressing the economy, and creating unemployment. Utterly united in that.”

“We will not be silenced by these people. We will win through. We will defeat them”


And so he would pick Cokanasiga on the wing rather than Nowell for Wales then?


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