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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 2:22 pm 
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I think we're only a few posts away from 'Jackson Wray for England, he's won more trophies than Tom Curry'...


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Some murmurs of Charlie Walker and Luke Wallace heading Tigers' way, too.


I like luke wallace, for whatever reason he didn't kick on he's got a great engine.


Injuries, plus Clifford and Robshaw.


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Funny thing is, I was talking to a senior bod in an academy who'd been watching the rugby pass doco about the Tigers academy, and he couldn't believe how old fashioned tigers are in the way they treat players. Clearly working though


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That being said, I'm quite optimistic about our youth setup. Academy has been pretty much unbeaten for 2 years, and Geordan has been willing to give opportunities. With the significant clearout of the squad, there should be a fair few openings.

I'm hoping this is the case.


There are some good players coming through - Heyes, Olowafela and Hardwick are probably the pick of the bunch ATM and Martin and Steward are also rated highly.

I think Saints have shown the way this season by finding the right balance of academy grads and experienced players and playing an attractive brand of rugby.


I think we've lucked into that a bit. During most of the second half of the season we've been pretty close to fielding the only fit 23 players in the squad. It's worked, but largely because we've been lucky that the current crop coming through are very good


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It does seem people praise coaches forusing youth when they had little other option. Always think the big question is what happens when the squad is fit.


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It does seem people praise coaches forusing youth when they had little other option. Always think the big question is what happens when the squad is fit.


Exactly. I will give Boyd credit - players like Furbank, once they've taken their chance, have been able to keep their spot - whereas in the Mallinder era they'd have been straight back to the reserves.

Just looked it up and we've gone through 46 players just in the premiership alone - including 6 hookers


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Just looked it up and we've gone through 46 players just in the premiership alone - including 6 hookers



I wonder where Hartley would rank in that club pecking order? Much lower than he does in the Jones England randomizer I bet.


Chris Boyd has been pretty clear that he sees Hartley as the number 1, and also credits him for a huge amount of off-field leadership


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Looking at England Hartley gives a massive amount to the side.


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RPA Awards last night

Player of the year - Danny Cipriani
Young player of the year - Ollie Thorley


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RPA Awards last night

Player of the year - Danny Cipriani
Young player of the year - Ollie Thorley


I'm 100% happy with that. :thumbup:


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RPA Awards last night

Player of the year - Danny Cipriani
Young player of the year - Ollie Thorley


I'm 100% happy with that. :thumbup:


Agreed.


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Insane that Curry didn't win one of them.


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Insane that Curry didn't win one of them.


Tbf, it’s difficult to verify that it’s all his own work!


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RPA Awards last night

Player of the year - Danny Cipriani
Young player of the year - Ollie Thorley

What chance either play in the World Cup?


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Apparently Dan Cole is 32 today.

Thirty. Two.


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Apparently Dan Cole is 32 today.

Thirty. Two.


Think they call that a 'hard' 32.

Still, he's doing better than Mako, who must have a picture of himself in an attic somewhere that's steadily getting younger.


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Apparently Dan Cole is 32 today.

Thirty. Two.


Think they call that a 'hard' 32.

Still, he's doing better than Mako, who must have a picture of himself in an attic somewhere that's steadily getting younger.


By now it's probably in nappies.


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Are there any Eng qualified props in prem that can play both sides to the top standard?

I can't think of many- poss Davey Wilson (fat) Max Lahiff (useless hipster).

Anyone else? Schonart?


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Short answer ... no.

Are there any top class props anywhere that are equally good in a 1 or 3 shirt though? Not than I can think of ...

Logo Mulipola plays both competently, but he’s one of the only ones I can think of and I wouldn’t class him as a top class prop


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Are there any Eng qualified props in prem that can play both sides to the top standard?

I can't think of many- poss Davey Wilson (fat) Max Lahiff (useless hipster).

Anyone else? Schonart?


To a top standard, no. But I know why you're asking and I've idly wondered about Greg Bateman in the role of fifth prop in a WC squad. He's Premiership standard on both sides of the scrum (and he's even played hooker at that level), which might be good enough for a marginal role even if he's not one of our top five in either position. The ambidextrous prop is increasingly a thing of the past, and we have no one even close to international class on both sides or even international class on one side and competent on the other.


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Lovejoy Chawatama has played both for LI at various points this season and will be around in the GP squad.

Top class though I can't think of any


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Short answer ... no.

Are there any top class props anywhere that are equally good in a 1 or 3 shirt though? Not than I can think of ...

Logo Mulipola plays both competently, but he’s one of the only ones I can think of and I wouldn’t class him as a top class prop


Wasps Simon McIntyre started as a THP but has played almost exclusively as a LH in recent years only filling in at TH in extremis


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the days of Matt Stevens and Paul Doran-Jones getting 10x more caps than they deserved because they happened to be equally shit playing both sides of the scrum are thankfully over


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Given the attrition rate of modern rugby and requirement for a full front row on the bench the RWC squads need to increase in size by at least 2.


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the days of Matt Stevens and Paul Doran-Jones getting 10x more caps than they deserved because they happened to be equally shit playing both sides of the scrum are thankfully over


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Are there any Eng qualified props in prem that can play both sides to the top standard?

I can't think of many- poss Davey Wilson (fat) Max Lahiff (useless hipster).

Anyone else? Schonart?
Think Brookes used to switch between the two until settling on TH. definitely a dying art


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Physically not possible to do both to a pro standard.


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McIntyre hasn't let us down at tighthead but international is another level.


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Farrell defended really well today, and kruis was immense- his defence and ruck work was golden.


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Are there any Eng qualified props in prem that can play both sides to the top standard?

I can't think of many- poss Davey Wilson (fat) Max Lahiff (useless hipster).

Anyone else? Schonart?
Think Brookes used to switch between the two until settling on TH. definitely a dying art


Hohneck fills in at TH for Gloucester now and again.


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Farrell defended really well today, and kruis was immense- his defence and ruck work was golden.


I thought it said something that just before Furlong scored, Conan got a big run up and tried to go over Farrell to score and just got melted. He put in a lot of good hits and all of them legal for once.

Kruis, Skelton, George - all huge games, possibly the best I've seen all 3 play.


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Farrell defended really well today, and kruis was immense- his defence and ruck work was golden.


I thought it said something that just before Furlong scored, Conan got a big run up and tried to go over Farrell to score and just got melted. He put in a lot of good hits and all of them legal for once.

Kruis, Skelton, George - all huge games, possibly the best I've seen all 3 play.


Yup!


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Yep. Kruis and George were very good.

Billy was also involved in most of the key moments in the second half. Aside from his try, the two intercepts really killed any momentum Leinster we’re building.


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Farrell defended really well today, and kruis was immense- his defence and ruck work was golden.


I thought it said something that just before Furlong scored, Conan got a big run up and tried to go over Farrell to score and just got melted. He put in a lot of good hits and all of them legal for once.

Kruis, Skelton, George - all huge games, possibly the best I've seen all 3 play.

Skelton looks a totally different player these days. Fantastic forward.

Australia really don’t condition and develop their players at all well.


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The Falcons - Sarries A League final is on FreeSports tonight, if anyone is interested

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Sarries:
FORWARDS: Hayden Thompson-Stringer, Tom Woolstencroft, Christian Judge, Dom Day, Joel Kpoku, Andy Christie, Ben Earl, Sione Vailanu.

BACKS: Matt Gallagher, Elliott Obatoyinbo, Dom Morris, Tom Griffiths, Rotimi Segun, Manu Vunipola, Tom Whiteley.

REPLACEMENTS: Christopher Tolofua, Sam Crean, Billy Walker, Cameron Boon, Sean Reffell, Henry Taylor, Charlie Watson, Reuben Bird-Tulloch.


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Farrell defended really well today, and kruis was immense- his defence and ruck work was golden.


I thought it said something that just before Furlong scored, Conan got a big run up and tried to go over Farrell to score and just got melted. He put in a lot of good hits and all of them legal for once.

Kruis, Skelton, George - all huge games, possibly the best I've seen all 3 play.

Skelton looks a totally different player these days. Fantastic forward.

Australia really don’t condition and develop their players at all well.


Bit of a reach extrapolating from one example to an entire nation. When I think of Australian rugby, I think of very fit teams who make the absolute most of the players available.

You might as well say the same about England based on (say) Paul Hill.


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I hope you're not accusing wendigo of having strong opinions based on knee-jerk reactions to limited data.


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I hope you're not accusing wendigo of having strong opinions based on knee-jerk reactions to limited data.


Now that wouldn't be a wild extrapolation!


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Physically not possible to do both to a pro standard.


Well, it is physically possible - there are a number of players who start on both sides of the scrum at Premiership level - but there's definitely a feeling that ambidextrous props develop that skill largely because they aren't good enough to nail down one spot or the other.


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Physically not possible to do both to a pro standard.


Well, it is physically possible - there are a number of players who start on both sides of the scrum at Premiership level - but there's definitely a feeling that ambidextrous props develop that skill largely because they aren't good enough to nail down one spot or the other.


Max Lahiff seems to be equally adept at both... :uhoh:


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