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They're probably aware he's one of the best refs around :thumbup:


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He's okay, I was flicking between the two games and certainly groaned less at him than Carley.

Although most of my groans these days are not at individual referees but the way they've been told to ref.


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I also thought it was pretty ballsy of the reffing authorities to give the Exeter-Saints game to ex Quin Karl Dickson.


I thought he blew a good whistle today.


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I also thought it was pretty ballsy of the reffing authorities to give the Exeter-Saints game to ex Quin Karl Dickson.


I thought he blew a good whistle today.


Yup.


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Bath score a last-minute try to beat Tigs and finish 6th!

That was a relief. A win would have added a gloss to the shower of shit. Time for the board and coaching team to be mostly fired.


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Tigers played far better than the rest of the season, still a disappointment though to lose.

They need to get rid of the law about players being able to take conversions quickly if they think there is something wrong with the try. Baths try was clearly forward and clearly the bath players knew it was too. How can that be good for the game.


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I also thought it was pretty ballsy of the reffing authorities to give the Exeter-Saints game to ex Quin Karl Dickson.


Brother of Lee, who played over 250 times for Saints, too.


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Tigers played far better than the rest of the season, still a disappointment though to lose.

They need to get rid of the law about players being able to take conversions quickly if they think there is something wrong with the try. Baths try was clearly forward and clearly the bath players knew it was too. How can that be good for the game.


Shouldn't matter considering how far in front they were. Signings look okay for next season but doesn't matter with the board and coaching set up. I noticed we have added Matt Smith to the coaching set up as the club's academy head coach. Tigers old boys thing is just rediculous.


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Nabberuk wrote:
Tigers played far better than the rest of the season, still a disappointment though to lose.

They need to get rid of the law about players being able to take conversions quickly if they think there is something wrong with the try. Baths try was clearly forward and clearly the bath players knew it was too. How can that be good for the game.


Shouldn't matter considering how far in front they were. Signings look okay for next season but doesn't matter with the board and coaching set up. I noticed we have added Matt Smith to the coaching set up as the club's academy head coach. Tigers old boys thing is just rediculous.


In a similar vein,m, Bath have made Luke Charteris lineout coach for next season :|


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Nabberuk wrote:
Tigers played far better than the rest of the season, still a disappointment though to lose.

They need to get rid of the law about players being able to take conversions quickly if they think there is something wrong with the try. Baths try was clearly forward and clearly the bath players knew it was too. How can that be good for the game.


Shouldn't matter considering how far in front they were. Signings look okay for next season but doesn't matter with the board and coaching set up. I noticed we have added Matt Smith to the coaching set up as the club's academy head coach. Tigers old boys thing is just rediculous.


In a similar vein,m, Bath have made Luke Charteris lineout coach for next season :|

TBF to Charteris he was an international lock who was pretty decent at the lineout and has a wealth of experience playing for various coaches and played in different environments and is becoming a specialist coach. Matt Smith on the other hand has only been at Leicester (and his dad played for Tigers as well) and i'm not sure his quality as a player makes him a good choice to become head academy coach (if our youth backs suddenly start not passing and drifting across the pitch taking all the space away from the backs outside them i know who to blame). I might be being unfair here but considering the board and other coaching appointments this stinks of the cronyism infesting Tigers.


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Interview in the Times this morning with Dean Ryan. Regardless of people's views on the guy, the picture he paints of player pathway cutbacks is pretty grim.

No coach development budget, no longer any age grade forwards coach or sports science staff on the payroll, Wellington festival involvement to end etc.


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Interview in the Times this morning with Dean Ryan. Regardless of people's views on the guy, the picture he paints of player pathway cutbacks is pretty grim.

No coach development budget, no longer any age grade forwards coach or sports science staff on the payroll, Wellington festival involvement to end etc.

Grim, depressing and very worrying indeed.


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His complaining about dwindling resources and cuts would be more convincing if he hadn't just taken a job at the f*cking Dragons

My view is that he's a control freak who sees himself as a "visionary", when he was unable to get total creative freedom to reshape the RFU structures how he envisioned them he just decided to abandon it altogether and offer these excuses to justify deserting a half-built project


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Sure, take the man out of it for a minute (this is clearly a parting shot) and the cutbacks are likely to be a matter of record if accurate.

Will be interesting to see long term what the plan is on the RFU side for the development pathway.


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Isn't the dire state of RFU finances and governance basically common knowledge anyway?

My issue isn't that he's pointed this stuff out (true or not), it's the obvious hypocrisy of someone alleging to be too frustrated with lack of resources to carry on with the RFU job but equally happy to take on a DoR role with the poorest region in Wales

I hope he does actually have some success with the Dragons because he desperately needs it, he seems to have perfected the Mourinho tactic of blaming anyone but himself for his failures but without the Mourinho level of success to compensate


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Ryan was brought in as hatchet man and has served his purpose.

Mark Wilson to Tigers on loan?


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Murphy in trouble for verbally abusing match officials
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48368418
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Leicester Tigers head coach Geordan Murphy has been accused of two counts of verbally abusing match officials.
The incidents occurred as his side lost 32-31 to Bath last Saturday.
He faces one charge of verbally abusing a match official with an alternative charge of failing to respect the authority of a match official.
The Irishman faces another charge of failing to respect the authority of match officials in relation to separate comments he is said to have made.
Murphy will appear before a disciplinary panel in London on Wednesday 29 May.

Musts be something in the air at Tigers?


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Murphy in trouble for verbally abusing match officials
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48368418
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Leicester Tigers head coach Geordan Murphy has been accused of two counts of verbally abusing match officials.
The incidents occurred as his side lost 32-31 to Bath last Saturday.
He faces one charge of verbally abusing a match official with an alternative charge of failing to respect the authority of a match official.
The Irishman faces another charge of failing to respect the authority of match officials in relation to separate comments he is said to have made.
Murphy will appear before a disciplinary panel in London on Wednesday 29 May.

Musts be something in the air at Tigers?



Good, his whinging has been unseemly and frankly ref decisions are pretty low down the list of Tiger's issues at the moment.


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SaintK wrote:
Murphy in trouble for verbally abusing match officials
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48368418
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Leicester Tigers head coach Geordan Murphy has been accused of two counts of verbally abusing match officials.
The incidents occurred as his side lost 32-31 to Bath last Saturday.
He faces one charge of verbally abusing a match official with an alternative charge of failing to respect the authority of a match official.
The Irishman faces another charge of failing to respect the authority of match officials in relation to separate comments he is said to have made.
Murphy will appear before a disciplinary panel in London on Wednesday 29 May.

Musts be something in the air at Tigers?



He's done too much of that this season, whinging at every red card Tigers have got for high shots


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Murphy in trouble for verbally abusing match officials
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48368418
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Leicester Tigers head coach Geordan Murphy has been accused of two counts of verbally abusing match officials.
The incidents occurred as his side lost 32-31 to Bath last Saturday.
He faces one charge of verbally abusing a match official with an alternative charge of failing to respect the authority of a match official.
The Irishman faces another charge of failing to respect the authority of match officials in relation to separate comments he is said to have made.
Murphy will appear before a disciplinary panel in London on Wednesday 29 May.

Musts be something in the air at Tigers?



He's done too much of that this season, whinging at every red card Tigers have got for high shots

You making that up?


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Murphy in trouble for verbally abusing match officials
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48368418
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Leicester Tigers head coach Geordan Murphy has been accused of two counts of verbally abusing match officials.
The incidents occurred as his side lost 32-31 to Bath last Saturday.
He faces one charge of verbally abusing a match official with an alternative charge of failing to respect the authority of a match official.
The Irishman faces another charge of failing to respect the authority of match officials in relation to separate comments he is said to have made.
Murphy will appear before a disciplinary panel in London on Wednesday 29 May.

Musts be something in the air at Tigers?



Good, his whinging has been unseemly and frankly ref decisions are pretty low down the list of Tiger's issues at the moment.


Was his moaning about the incompetent CMK per chance?


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They need a stron DOR from outside and a culture reboot at tigers.


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Heard on a podcast that Leicester have actually appointed somebody else to sit in the decision making chain somewhere above the head coach, equal to the head of rugby operations but reporting in directly to the chief exec. He's not a DoR either.


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Murphy in trouble for verbally abusing match officials
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48368418
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Leicester Tigers head coach Geordan Murphy has been accused of two counts of verbally abusing match officials.
The incidents occurred as his side lost 32-31 to Bath last Saturday.
He faces one charge of verbally abusing a match official with an alternative charge of failing to respect the authority of a match official.
The Irishman faces another charge of failing to respect the authority of match officials in relation to separate comments he is said to have made.
Murphy will appear before a disciplinary panel in London on Wednesday 29 May.

Musts be something in the air at Tigers?



Good, his whinging has been unseemly and frankly ref decisions are pretty low down the list of Tiger's issues at the moment.


Was his moaning about the incompetent CMK per chance?


Can't have been the case every time, Geordie's had plenty of whinges.


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RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?


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RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.


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RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.



He's 31 years old. What age Cipriani are you referring to? The people who coach him and play with him, and against him, have just voted him as the best player in England.


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RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.


Really! Every time I see Ford coming on, my heart sinks.


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terryfinch wrote:
RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.



He's 31 years old. What age Cipriani are you referring to? The people who coach him and play with him, and against him, have just voted him as the best player in England.



He has to be in the squad for the RWC. Farrell has to get over himself.


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terryfinch wrote:
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terryfinch wrote:
RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.


Really! Every time I see Ford coming on, my heart sinks.


Never change, terry.


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terryfinch wrote:
ForzaIt wrote:
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terryfinch wrote:
RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.



He's 31 years old. What age Cipriani are you referring to? The people who coach him and play with him, and against him, have just voted him as the best player in England.



He has to be in the squad for the RWC. Farrell has to get over himself.




The clever play by Jones would be to pick Farrell as a 12/10 rather than as a 10/12. Ford can only play in one position. Cipriani should go as a 10/15. You then need another 12 in the squad who compliments Cipriani starting at 10 - I don't know if that is a player like Tuilagi or another playmaker, but I don't think it can be Farrell.


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terryfinch wrote:
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terryfinch wrote:
RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.


Really! Every time I see Ford coming on, my heart sinks.


I imagine this is a similar feeling to the one I have when I see Owen Farrell repeatedly putting in deeply average performances yet being lauded as ‘world class’.


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I see there’s some consolation for Quins fans after last weekend; Dave Lewis has retired!


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Scrumhead wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.


Really! Every time I see Ford coming on, my heart sinks.


I imagine this is a similar feeling to the one I have when I see Owen Farrell repeatedly putting in deeply average performances yet being lauded as ‘world class’.



I like Ford, he's clearly a very very good player but...

Now I realise hypothetical scenarios are always fraught with confirmation bias and false equivalence but, I don't think Saracens would have beaten Leinster had Ford been the Saracens flyhalf.


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terryfinch wrote:
RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.


Really! Every time I see Ford coming on, my heart sinks.

If only there were a recent example of Ford coming on in the closing stages of a game with England losing and, say, scoring a try to salvage a draw.


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terryfinch wrote:
RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.


Really! Every time I see Ford coming on, my heart sinks.

If only there were a recent example of Ford coming on in the closing stages of a game with England losing and, say, scoring a try to salvage a draw.


particularly if that's one where our "world class" dependable flyhalf lost all control on the game from a strong position


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I see there’s some consolation for Quins fans after last weekend; Dave Lewis has retired!


Harsh, but fair.


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terryfinch wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?

Ford... Cips attitude stinks that much he could be the messi of rugby, I don't want him anywhere near the squad at all costs.


Really! Every time I see Ford coming on, my heart sinks.


I imagine this is a similar feeling to the one I have when I see Owen Farrell repeatedly putting in deeply average performances yet being lauded as ‘world class’.


+1,000


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RWC quarter final. We are 10 points down going into the last 20 minutes. Who do you want to bring off the bench to turn things around - Cips or Ford?


Whichever one isn't starting...


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I see there’s some consolation for Quins fans after last weekend; Dave Lewis has retired!


I was bitterly hoping that the plot of Avengers: Endgame was that they'd all go back in time and stop him taking up rugby


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