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Ben Spencer. Surely in the RWC squad?


If the rumours of only two 9s being picked for the squad are true then I'm not sure - Youngs starts if fit so it's really one of Care or Spencer to back up and I would imagine if there's not much in it then you go for the experienced option


It was Dan Robson in the 6N.


Unlikely to be an option given his medical issue. Recent article in the Guardian about it made all the noises about him being in the running sound like pie in the sky thinking to help Dan stay positive.


He sounds positive in this article from a couple of weeks ago.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/o ... by-2882592


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That's basically the same as the Graun article:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/17/dan-robson-england-wasps

Players are always optimistic about their chances

This makes me wonder how he could possibly be ready for a World Cup:
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He is still required to take blood thinners and cannot take part in contact training yet, but he believes he is “as fit as ever”. He sees the specialist every few weeks and is awaiting the green light to return to full training. “It’s just about being a bit more streetwise with everything,” he says. “Just with the contact stuff, with any head knocks, any cuts, it can be pretty bad. It’s about being a little bit more careful, keeping my inner child in.


So all of 2 weeks ago he wasn't capable of contact training and how careful can you be going forward in a sport like rugby?


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Ben Spencer has just led Sarries to European and English victories. He is quick, brave, great kicker.... He knows how to play successfully with Farrell. What else does he need to do?


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Normally I disagree with you. On Spencer, I don’t.

If it were up to me, I’d have him starting with Care on the bench. When Youngs had a running game, he sort of justified his place. Now that’s all but gone, his basics aren’t anywhere near good enough to justify his continued inclusion IMO.

So I fully expect him to be our starting 9 at the World Cup.


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Ben Spencer has just led Sarries to European and English victories. He is quick, brave, great kicker.... He knows how to play successfully with Farrell. What else does he need to do?


Yet it was Wigglesworth who was on the pitch when Sarries actually took and then held the lead in both those games*...




*Could be wrong on Europe as I couldn't be bothered watching Leinster or Sarries, but that's what I read.


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According to TRP today, our training squad is due to be named on 4th July and Hartley, Robshaw, Hughes and Ashton are set to be left out. Apparently Willi Heinz is in ...

I’ve got no issue with Hughes or Ashton being left out of the main squad, but they should be in the 45 training but it’ll be a disgrace if Shields goes ahead of Robshaw and Willi Heinz is picked full stop.


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Hartley left out would be massive, not sure I believe that


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Yeah it's odd, as I don't think there's reliable backup to George otherwise. LCD is back to his bad old days with his throwing.

Shields ahead of Robshaw would be a joke decision, but I could understand the logic if one of the good young guns got it instead.


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I’d find Hughes’ omission more difficult to believe; whenever he’s been fit he’s always been in EJ’s squads, regardless of form or rustiness (and he actually finished the season pretty strongly for Wasps!)


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Agree on Hughes too - not because he's much good but because the alternatives trialled at 8 (Mercer etc) haven't been in favour much


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Edit - repeating myself!


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Also I thought a 45-man squad was being announced on June 20?


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Read the article this morning. From memory (it was early), they cited fitness concerns for Hartley.


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Hartley left out would be massive, not sure I believe that


Huge loss as captain, leaves farrell in the hotseat.

I thought hughes finished the season strongly.

Ashton has no chance we're stacked at wing- daly moving back there to accommodate iron mike at 15.


Annnnnnnnndddddd- i'd have yeandle in. Just think he's a really solid hooker, lcd is great around the pitch but can't back his throwing- baxter isn't daft.


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Hartley left out would be massive, not sure I believe that


Huge loss as captain, leaves farrell in the hotseat.

I thought hughes finished the season strongly.

Ashton has no chance we're stacked at wing- daly moving back there to accommodate iron mike at 15.


Annnnnnnnndddddd- i'd have yeandle in. Just think he's a really solid hooker, lcd is great around the pitch but can't back his throwing- baxter isn't daft.



:uhoh:

I don't even understand including Heinz in the training squad. Care, Wigglesworth, Spencer with potentially Youngs and Robson (haven't heard recent fitness updates on either) is enough choice. Even without them, I'd really rather not add any more mediocre Antipodeans to England's less than illustrious selection history since the class of 2003.


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if Hughes were to miss out (which I don't believe he will, but let's go along with what TRP says) - who comes in as back-up 8? Morgan?


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if Hughes were to miss out (which I don't believe he will, but let's go along with what TRP says) - who comes in as back-up 8? Morgan?


Image


"He's got that super rugby experience m8"


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Okay, have just gone and read the article again...

States that the players listed are believed to have missed out on being named in the latest EPS. Guessing a few of them may still be named in extended WC training squads


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Is Willie Heinz in contention? Jesus, you may be reaching Matt Cardy era Wales.


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Is Willie Heinz in contention? Jesus, you may be reaching Matt Cardy era Wales.


I know it's hard for you guys to get your head around, but some of your players improve when they come and play up here.


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Is Willie Heinz in contention? Jesus, you may be reaching Matt Cardy era Wales.


Well, Eddie has history for picking players in training squads who never get anywhere near an actual cap and it's unlikely he'll leapfrog the established trio of Care, Wigglesworth and Youngs or the two newer kids on the block who've been recently capped in Spencer and Robson, so probably not.

Then again, it's Eddie, so who the fudge knows.


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Is Willie Heinz in contention? Jesus, you may be reaching Matt Cardy era Wales.


I know it's hard for you guys to get your head around, but some of your players improve when they come and play up here.


Yes, that can well happen. But in this case I imagine many English fans see Heinz as fringe a selection as he ever was for the ABs. Eddie’s just got a hard-on for NZ rugby sensibility.


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Yeah it's odd, as I don't think there's reliable backup to George otherwise. LCD is back to his bad old days with his throwing.

Shields ahead of Robshaw would be a joke decision, but I could understand the logic if one of the good young guns got it instead.


Robshaw's probably had his day, but at least he had his day, unlike Shields.


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Shields was ok for england, robshaw is just too slow.

Dan Robson- not even running yet i believe and dosed up on warfarin?


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Shields was ok for england, robshaw is just too slow.

Dan Robson- not even running yet i believe and dosed up on warfarin?


I think Robson was training but not yet allowed contact training


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Shields was ok for england, robshaw is just too slow.

Dan Robson- not even running yet i believe and dosed up on warfarin?


I think Robson was training but not yet allowed contact training


:thumbup:

He was all set to take the 'Care' role, doesn't have much luck. Not sure if eddie prefers a kicking finisher like wigglesworth or spencer...so hard to second guess him!


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Robson said he's fitter than ever since all he's been doing is noncontact training.


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Could make a highly valuable water boy.


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DragsterDriver wrote:
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Hartley left out would be massive, not sure I believe that


Huge loss as captain, leaves farrell in the hotseat.

I thought hughes finished the season strongly.

Ashton has no chance we're stacked at wing- daly moving back there to accommodate iron mike at 15.


Annnnnnnnndddddd- i'd have yeandle in. Just think he's a really solid hooker, lcd is great around the pitch but can't back his throwing- baxter isn't daft.


I don’t hate the idea of Yeandle as a direct replacement, but I’d imagine Dunn is also in the frame. He was good against the Barbarians and has made training squads in the past, which Yeandle hasn’t.


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openclashXX wrote:
Hartley left out would be massive, not sure I believe that


Huge loss as captain, leaves farrell in the hotseat.

I thought hughes finished the season strongly.

Ashton has no chance we're stacked at wing- daly moving back there to accommodate iron mike at 15.


Annnnnnnnndddddd- i'd have yeandle in. Just think he's a really solid hooker, lcd is great around the pitch but can't back his throwing- baxter isn't daft.


I don’t hate the idea of Yeandle as a direct replacement, but I’d imagine Dunn is also in the frame. He was good against the Barbarians and has made training squads in the past, which Yeandle hasn’t.


Love Dunn; a proper abrasive, old-school hooker with a massive workrate and an even bigger swede. He isn’t quite in LCD’s class for it, but he can also get the yips at lineout time though. Yeandle is good club hooker, but no more than that - he’d be another George Chuter.


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Surely a fit Tommy Taylor would be the reliable alternative to Hartley (and LCD)?

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Shields was ok for england, robshaw is just too slow.

Dan Robson- not even running yet i believe and dosed up on warfarin?


Shields is shite and miles off international quality. This will end up being another thing you'll look back on, like Brendan O'Connor, where you quietly wonder why you bothered looking for the positives :)

We have heaps of good young back rowers who could provide something for England instead of the poach.


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According to TRP today, our training squad is due to be named on 4th July and Hartley, Robshaw, Hughes and Ashton are set to be left out. Apparently Willi Heinz is in ...

I’ve got no issue with Hughes or Ashton being left out of the main squad, but they should be in the 45 training but it’ll be a disgrace if Shields goes ahead of Robshaw and Willi Heinz is picked full stop.


Interesting - supposedly one of the reasons that Hartley wasn't rushed back at the end of the season (reportedly he was at least fit for 40 minutes for the first Exeter match) was that he'd been guaranteed his place already. Let's face it, having seen Farrel at captain Eddie would ought to be looking at alternatives


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Mitchell given a 2 year contract extension according to Telegraph.



The RFU never learn, pretty dumb yet again to extend a contract before the RWC.


Didnt realise the RFU forked out £200 k just to buy out his previous contract.


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Mitchell given a 2 year contract extension according to Telegraph.



The RFU never learn, pretty dumb yet again to extend a contract before the RWC.


Didnt realise the RFU forked out £200 k just to buy out his previous contract.


It's bonkers. I assume they aren't looking for a coach and intend Eddie to stay on. It's weird how the RFU do everything differently to everyone else and get lesser or inefficient results but carry on their own way.


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Jack Nowell out for 3 months after surgery as well. :((

“Jack has had an operation on his ankle and at this stage we see no reason why it should jeopardise him being involved with England at the Rugby World Cup nor with us heading into the new season,” said the Sandy Park director of rugby.


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Supposedly Lewis Ludlum is going to make the training squad


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Supposedly Lewis Ludlum is going to make the training squad

Good or him if he does
Not so good is that it sounds like Willie Heinz will also make it ahead of Danny Care. A zero capped New Zealander who is about the same age as an 80 capped Englishman. I’m not a huge Care fan, but WTF if true. Would rather have Wigglesworth there, especially if Robson still not back to fitness


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Care is shit though.

There’s going to be some filler there in the first squad, and probably some injuries going too close to the wire. If marler has answered the call I’m feeling mako must be cooked.


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Jackson Wray should be peeved if Ludlum is ranked above him.

Selection really is farcical.


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Did you watch the HEC final or playoffs?

Judge what you see with your own eyes, not who asks the question.


Totally outplayed Matt Kvesic
Totally outplayed Sean O'Brien
Keeps Schalk Burger on the bench.

Kvesic was playing 8
Sean o'Brien is busted
Burger was in his retirement season


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