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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:50 pm 
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I am no Francis fan but he’s been a lot better than “ok” across these last two games.


Yeah? What's he done better than ok?


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I am no Francis fan but he’s been a lot better than “ok” across these last two games.


I'd say he was military medium aside from couple of particularly good tackles in the first game. In Cardiff he did look quite good, or at least combined well with Ford, as we were actually making a bit of ground ball in hand on the rare occasion we didn't kick it away needlessly. Couple of line breaks from him.


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It's crazy that guys who've had as good a season as Lozowski get binned off for essentially one out of character missed tackle.


He'd looked better for England than Slade up to that point, though HS finally came good in the 6N. He'll feature again I'm sure.

I'd say Ben Spencer has much more right to feel aggrieved than Care about this RWC squad - reckon him and Alex Mitchell are the future at this point


And Robson, think he’d finally nailed it until the DVT illness, Wigglesworth was up there as well. Loz? No loss really.


Has Wigglesworth suddenly become quick enough for international rugby then? Aren't you still having nightmares from his effort in 2015?

Loz is a loss as he's a huge hitting midfield player with a ton of speed and the hands+ kicking game of a 10.


Wiggy is still slow and steady, but ahead of care in eddies order.

Is the game 3pm kick off?


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Yes.

We're talking about players who've had good seasons / are ones for the future hence my bafflement at Wigglesworth being mentioned.


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Yes.

We're talking about players who've had good seasons / are ones for the future hence my bafflement at Wigglesworth being mentioned.


Ah- I was looking at eddies order, no logic in that :thumbup:

Youngs/Spencer
Heinz/Wiggy

I reckon.

Same as 10s

Farrell/Cips
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Gentle reminder that Youngs has been injured since early April. Clearly needs gametime. At least he's got this game, and probably the Italy game to shake some rust off.


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Gentle reminder that Youngs has been injured since early April. Clearly needs gametime. At least he's got this game, and probably the Italy game to shake some rust off.

Heinz is easy the better player


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Doesn't really matter at this point. He's gonna be playing.


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Doesn't really matter at this point. He's gonna be playing.

Not sure he's number 1


Daly flat footed again


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If they want to go with Heinz as a solid starter, I'm okay with that.

Youngs still needs minutes, though.


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No complaints with the performance or the game plan today. Shame the World Cup won't be hosted at Twickenham.

Youngs was awful of course.


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No complaints with the performance or the game plan today. Shame the World Cup won't be hosted at Twickenham.

Youngs was awful of course.


It was a nice scoreline, but still exactly the same problems as before - the only fullback in the squad can't make a last tackle, and the starting scrumhalf can't pass 5 metres.

At least the lineout went a little better.


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Not going to get over-excited by that. It was a decent enough showing against a rusty Ireland but even Nick Easter can look like a world beater in a world cup warm up match.


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Not going to get over-excited by that. It was a decent enough showing against a rusty Ireland but even Nick Easter can look like a world beater in a world cup warm up match.


I'd take another run to a world cup final tbh


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JM2K6 wrote:
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Not going to get over-excited by that. It was a decent enough showing against a rusty Ireland but even Nick Easter can look like a world beater in a world cup warm up match.


I'd take another run to a world cup final tbh


2015 Nick Easter


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JM2K6 wrote:
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Not going to get over-excited by that. It was a decent enough showing against a rusty Ireland but even Nick Easter can look like a world beater in a world cup warm up match.


I'd take another run to a world cup final tbh


Bloody hell, in my mind I had that as 2011 at the earliest. Tempus fugit far too flipping fast


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Rusty? They got smashed to pieces- did you hear standers name? Pom didn’t even manage an angry face. They’re in deep shit.


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Irish journos on twitter are deranged, they want one of three red card citings, Mays elbow on murray, Manus big tackle or Kruis.


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Kruis should be cited but they can fuck off with the other two. If they're actual journalists calling for those to be cited then they're scumbags.


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Hope Youngs is just rusty, cos that was utter shitehouse.


X months in camp. One would hope that a scrumhalf spends at least 30 mins a day practising his box kicks.





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Kruis/Itoje
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Can someone remind me why the Ford/Farrell combo was ditched in the first place? Was it really following that one bad game in Ireland where the pack got beaten up?


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Can someone remind me why the Ford/Farrell combo was ditched in the first place? Was it really following that one bad game in Ireland where the pack got beaten up?

We look infinitely better with them paired together.

fudge the weaknesses, we create more if they aren’t there.


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Can someone remind me why the Ford/Farrell combo was ditched in the first place? Was it really following that one bad game in Ireland where the pack got beaten up?


South Africa. We won once Shields got injured though.


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Can someone remind me why the Ford/Farrell combo was ditched in the first place? Was it really following that one bad game in Ireland where the pack got beaten up?


I’m hoping that today, both because this was the selection in the first place and because it was a good performance, it shows that this is still the best option.

Farrell can still bring what he brings and Ford can too.

Seems an obvious call, even without the fact that England’s long run of victories came with that combo.


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Can someone remind me why the Ford/Farrell combo was ditched in the first place? Was it really following that one bad game in Ireland where the pack got beaten up?


I’m hoping that today, both because this was the selection in the first place and because it was a good performance, it shows that this is still the best option.

Farrell can still bring what he brings and Ford can too.

Seems an obvious call, even without the fact that England’s long run of victories came with that combo.
all of this. Don't really understand why Ford seems to cop so much shit on here after a lot of decent wins


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Did we have a period where the attacking options were a bit barren? Loads of strike runners in this current England team. So many options for Ford and Farrell.


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There always seems to be a nagging narrative that Ford isn’t solid enough when the chips are down but Farrell can equally make shite calls, particularly kicking, when we’re up against it.

As a pair I think they bring our best attacking game.


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And if you have Billy and Manu it’s not as if you can say we have no go-to carriers.

“Fiji Joe” brings an additional big bastard even though you’d think that may and Watson were the starting wingers


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Did we have a period where the attacking options were a bit barren? Loads of strike runners in this current England team. So many options for Ford and Farrell.


Farrell-Teo was death and Slade hadn't got his head around Test rugby.


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There always seems to be a nagging narrative that Ford isn’t solid enough when the chips are down but Farrell can equally make shite calls, particularly kicking, when we’re up against it.

As a pair I think they bring our best attacking game.


I think that’s true if there is a heavy duty carrier in the backline with them - with Tuilagi back and Cockanasiga an option, they suddenly have some options when Youngs serves up glacially slow ball or checks them with one of his toe-cutter passes.


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I enjoyed Curry and Underhill play together, Wilson later as well


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Yes, liked the 2 opensides. Makes a difference from 4 locks.

Can we please now sick with Ford, Farrell, Manu? Good to see May back too, looked lively.


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And if youngs plays well in the first couple of group matches, we need to drop him immediately as he'll be gash for the rest on the 1 sublime, 10 horrific formula.


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Also is Ford now a better goal kicker than Farrell?


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It’s good that Eddie has looked at different players and combinations to stretch them but it appears his best side is good. Think I’m with the majority saying really happy, Young’s is shite and Daly is going to cost us at 15- hopefully not a knock out game.


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It’s good that Eddie has looked at different players and combinations to stretch them but it appears his best side is good. Think I’m with the majority saying really happy, Young’s is shite and Daly is going to cost us at 15- hopefully not a knock out game.


Yeah, Youngs really is a worry. He's dreadful. Getting worse if anything.

Daly offers a lot going forward. Just hope he can achieve net positives.


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It’s good that Eddie has looked at different players and combinations to stretch them but it appears his best side is good. Think I’m with the majority saying really happy, Young’s is shite and Daly is going to cost us at 15- hopefully not a knock out game.


Yeah, Youngs really is a worry. He's dreadful. Getting worse if anything.

Daly offers a lot going forward. Just hope he can achieve net positives.


Think on balance Daly probably will, Heinz must be the front runner now. He’s been good but Young’s has been shocking- not that he’s had more than the odd good game for ages.


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DragsterDriver wrote:
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It’s good that Eddie has looked at different players and combinations to stretch them but it appears his best side is good. Think I’m with the majority saying really happy, Young’s is shite and Daly is going to cost us at 15- hopefully not a knock out game.


Yeah, Youngs really is a worry. He's dreadful. Getting worse if anything.

Daly offers a lot going forward. Just hope he can achieve net positives.


Think on balance Daly probably will, Heinz must be the front runner now. He’s been good but Young’s has been shocking- not that he’s had more than the odd good game for ages.


Youngs has had an entire career to convince Eddie he's not up to it. I don't think he'll change his mind now.


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I’d probably bet on that.


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So just quickly run through the 1st half as it's up on youtube. Blimey, I'd read Youngs had a bit of a shocker, but by christ that was bad.

When you have determinedly running forwards, who can pass the ball, rugby becomes a rather simple game doesn't it. Especially when Manu is firing well (and clearing rucks). Mako in place of Marler, and that's a scarily skillful, and powerful, pack.


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