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The incident with the Saudi's and the journalists haven't and won't get any action from the West. This of course is for obvious reasons. It kinda puts the whole middle East involvement into a neat kettle of contradiction green tea.

Then there's the bigger question. Is Western version of democracy even viable? Has it ever been viable? Was it just a matter of good PR planning and directing together with a head start in economic prosperity through the era of slavery and resource theft from around the World!

Brexit and Trump have shown how the so called educated liberal left have been selling everyone these democracy goods but don't really use it themselves.

The idea of protecting and helping out the needy is something that has been present in every society since the daunt of time. It wasn't something created by Western countries. Therefore when they go around preaching about freedom. What exactly do they mean by that? Is it freedom where everyone is equal! If so then why have they continued to interfere in others affairs when it suits them and refrain from doing so when it doesn't.

Is the West version of freedom and assistance in the face of danger and poverty measured by how much money you are worth or how much resource can you share/be bullied/blackmailed to give.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:17 am 
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What incident with the Saudis?

He died in a fight according to your guy.


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The incident with the Saudi's and the journalists haven't and won't get any action from the West. This of course is for obvious reasons. It kinda puts the whole middle East involvement into a neat kettle of contradiction green tea.

Then there's the bigger question. Is Western version of democracy even viable? Has it ever been viable? Was it just a matter of good PR planning and directing together with a head start in economic prosperity through the era of slavery and resource theft from around the World!

Brexit and Trump have shown how the so called educated liberal left have been selling everyone these democracy goods but don't really use it themselves.

The idea of protecting and helping out the needy is something that has been present in every society since the daunt of time. It wasn't something created by Western countries. Therefore when they go around preaching about freedom. What exactly do they mean by that? Is it freedom where everyone is equal! If so then why have they continued to interfere in others affairs when it suits them and refrain from doing so when it doesn't.

Is the West version of freedom and assistance in the face of danger and poverty measured by how much money you are worth or how much resource can you share/be bullied/blackmailed to give.


I trust you have been keenly following the Afghanistan elections?


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The incident with the Saudi's and the journalists haven't and won't get any action from the West. This of course is for obvious reasons. It kinda puts the whole middle East involvement into a neat kettle of contradiction green tea.

Then there's the bigger question. Is Western version of democracy even viable? Has it ever been viable? Was it just a matter of good PR planning and directing together with a head start in economic prosperity through the era of slavery and resource theft from around the World!

Brexit and Trump have shown how the so called educated liberal left have been selling everyone these democracy goods but don't really use it themselves.

The idea of protecting and helping out the needy is something that has been present in every society since the daunt of time. It wasn't something created by Western countries. Therefore when they go around preaching about freedom. What exactly do they mean by that? Is it freedom where everyone is equal! If so then why have they continued to interfere in others affairs when it suits them and refrain from doing so when it doesn't.

Is the West version of freedom and assistance in the face of danger and poverty measured by how much money you are worth or how much resource can you share/be bullied/blackmailed to give.

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What values does Fiji hold?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:04 am 
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Oceanbreeze wrote:
The incident with the Saudi's and the journalists haven't and won't get any action from the West. This of course is for obvious reasons. It kinda puts the whole middle East involvement into a neat kettle of contradiction green tea.

Then there's the bigger question. Is Western version of democracy even viable? Has it ever been viable? Was it just a matter of good PR planning and directing together with a head start in economic prosperity through the era of slavery and resource theft from around the World!

Brexit and Trump have shown how the so called educated liberal left have been selling everyone these democracy goods but don't really use it themselves.

The idea of protecting and helping out the needy is something that has been present in every society since the daunt of time. It wasn't something created by Western countries. Therefore when they go around preaching about freedom. What exactly do they mean by that? Is it freedom where everyone is equal! If so then why have they continued to interfere in others affairs when it suits them and refrain from doing so when it doesn't.

Is the West version of freedom and assistance in the face of danger and poverty measured by how much money you are worth or how much resource can you share/be bullied/blackmailed to give.


I trust you have been keenly following the Afghanistan elections?

It's obvious western democratic voting system doesn't suite them. They've been either pressured or brainwashed to think that in life that is what to strive for. They should have developed a system that suits them.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:13 am 
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What values does Fiji hold?

Independent from the shackles of our colonial past. Strive for a sustainable and climate friendly lifestyle. Strive for a form of governance and system that enables a swift blend of our traditional and modern values. Most importantly to value equality above a capitalist style of greed. Help and respect others not because of the size of their wallet but because they are part of the human family.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:19 am 
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Oceanbreeze wrote:
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What values does Fiji hold?

Independent from the shackles of our colonial past. Strive for a sustainable and climate friendly lifestyle. Strive for a form of governance and system that enables a swift blend of our traditional and modern values. Most importantly to value equality above a capitalist style of greed. Help and respect others not because of the size of their wallet but because they are part of the human family.

right, until the government of the day doesn't do what someone with an army wants then it's...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ml3nyww80


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:32 am 
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Western "values" are, in short, just a set of ways to bullshit the slaves into believing that "democracy" works ....


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Oceanbreeze wrote:
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What values does Fiji hold?

Independent from the shackles of our colonial past. Strive for a sustainable and climate friendly lifestyle. Strive for a form of governance and system that enables a swift blend of our traditional and modern values. Most importantly to value equality above a capitalist style of greed. Help and respect others not because of the size of their wallet but because they are part of the human family.

Interesting. I'd have thought the traditional value of hierarchy would be at odds with a modern value of equality. Where is the balance? Too, do Fiji Indians have the same values? And is the legacy of Methodism a shackle of a colonial past or is it a traditional value?


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Western Democratic Values - a web of lies spun by a Trianculla since the daunt of time...


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Religious text values are where it’s at.


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Oceanbreeze wrote:
usermame wrote:
What values does Fiji hold?

Independent from the shackles of our colonial past. Strive for a sustainable and climate friendly lifestyle. Strive for a form of governance and system that enables a swift blend of our traditional and modern values. Most importantly to value equality above a capitalist style of greed. Help and respect others not because of the size of their wallet but because they are part of the human family.

With the odd coup thrown in for good measure


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:16 pm 
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Oceanbreeze wrote:
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Oceanbreeze wrote:
The incident with the Saudi's and the journalists haven't and won't get any action from the West. This of course is for obvious reasons. It kinda puts the whole middle East involvement into a neat kettle of contradiction green tea.

Then there's the bigger question. Is Western version of democracy even viable? Has it ever been viable? Was it just a matter of good PR planning and directing together with a head start in economic prosperity through the era of slavery and resource theft from around the World!

Brexit and Trump have shown how the so called educated liberal left have been selling everyone these democracy goods but don't really use it themselves.

The idea of protecting and helping out the needy is something that has been present in every society since the daunt of time. It wasn't something created by Western countries. Therefore when they go around preaching about freedom. What exactly do they mean by that? Is it freedom where everyone is equal! If so then why have they continued to interfere in others affairs when it suits them and refrain from doing so when it doesn't.

Is the West version of freedom and assistance in the face of danger and poverty measured by how much money you are worth or how much resource can you share/be bullied/blackmailed to give.


I trust you have been keenly following the Afghanistan elections?

It's obvious western democratic voting system doesn't suite them. They've been either pressured or brainwashed to think that in life that is what to strive for. They should have developed a system that suits them.


Fair enough, but you forget that the west's intervention originated by invitation from Afghanistan to oppose an invasion by the Soviet Union and preserve its soveriegnty and democracy, which it is now re-embracing.


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blackblackblack wrote:
Oceanbreeze wrote:
usermame wrote:
What values does Fiji hold?

Independent from the shackles of our colonial past. Strive for a sustainable and climate friendly lifestyle. Strive for a form of governance and system that enables a swift blend of our traditional and modern values. Most importantly to value equality above a capitalist style of greed. Help and respect others not because of the size of their wallet but because they are part of the human family.

right, until the government of the day doesn't do what someone with an army wants then it's...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ml3nyww80

Believe me I don't condone nor support military interference. However I believe a Fijian problem can only be solved by a Fijian solution.


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usermame wrote:
Oceanbreeze wrote:
usermame wrote:
What values does Fiji hold?

Independent from the shackles of our colonial past. Strive for a sustainable and climate friendly lifestyle. Strive for a form of governance and system that enables a swift blend of our traditional and modern values. Most importantly to value equality above a capitalist style of greed. Help and respect others not because of the size of their wallet but because they are part of the human family.

Interesting. I'd have thought the traditional value of hierarchy would be at odds with a modern value of equality. Where is the balance? Too, do Fiji Indians have the same values? And is the legacy of Methodism a shackle of a colonial past or is it a traditional value?

You see that's where we differ! To us equality means having different roles in our professional and social life and valuing them all equally. We accept that there are differences in people's capability and biology. This system has guided our people for thousands of years.

Likewise the western form of equality has guided them. And there's alot we can learn from each other and we probably should. For example the climate change summit held in Bonn, Germany this year. We hosted it and we introduced our version of deliberating which is called "talanoa". This is where everyone sits down together and converse in a story telling type of way. We encourage each other to share their issues and experiences with no judgement or arguments. And together we discuss the possible solution to any problem. It wasn't the argumentative type of way as seen in the Brexit negotiations between the UK and Europe. It was a gathering of like minded people who are encourage to speak their heart and are told that they too matter irrespective of how small or poor they are.

I believe the current state of affairs in Western countries is a shame. For years we've been told to learn from Western values and system. Perhaps it is time they learn from us too.


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Hierarchy is equality? Oh well, I'm not able to say I wasn't warned.


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