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More of a cooking question concerning wine.

I need a good suggestion for a dry red for a bolognese ragu . Italian preferably.

f**ked up the sauce by using a wine with a high Tannin content over the weekend.



Use White wine, if cooking with pork mince as well use a little bit of milk.


Agreed. What you're talking about is the original authentic recipe. I presume it has to be a dry white as well.


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Heading in to the biggest trade portfolio tasting of the year, 200 minutes to try
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Heading in to the biggest trade portfolio tasting of the year, 200 minutes to try
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Heading in to the biggest trade portfolio tasting of the year, 200 minutes to try
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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

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I think it does. Probably shouldn't as there are terrific wines which do not have that label. But that word means "Rolls Royce" to many. Not BMW, Audi or Mercedes.

Nor even Ferrari!

My best memories are of wines with that tag.


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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

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I will look out for and be more likely to buy wine that has "mise en bouteille au château" on the label, but the word château on it's own less so.

Made me think of this:

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A cat in an egg? Defies description.


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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

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Surely this is only a French thing?
Not many of the outstanding Spanish, Italian, Australian, New Zealand etc etc wines that I've ever drunk had the word "Chateau" on their labels


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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

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Surely this is only a French thing?
Not many of the outstanding Spanish, Italian, Australian, New Zealand etc etc wines that I've ever drunk had the word "Chateau" on their labels

Bordeaux mostly

the manor houses of the large properties all get called chateau.
it's a pointless exercise in bordellais as almost all get called chateau.

in the other regions it's a lot less common.


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 Post subject: Re: The Wine Thread
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SaintK wrote:
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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

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Surely this is only a French thing?
Not many of the outstanding Spanish, Italian, Australian, New Zealand etc etc wines that I've ever drunk had the word "Chateau" on their labels


Very true, though I did mention Chateau Montelena (Napa) and Chateau Tahbilk (Victoria) in the article.

The wines I reviewed are from areas which don't tend to use "Château", making them a little unusual


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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

My latest blog post

Surely this is only a French thing?
Not many of the outstanding Spanish, Italian, Australian, New Zealand etc etc wines that I've ever drunk had the word "Chateau" on their labels


Very true, though I did mention Chateau Montelena (Napa) and Chateau Tahbilk (Victoria) in the article.

The wines I reviewed are from areas which don't tend to use "Château", making them a little unusual

Yes, noticed that. The Wine Society occassionally stock Tahbilk wines, The Rousanne and the Viognier are great value on price/quality at £12-50 a bottle


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frankster wrote:
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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

My latest blog post

Surely this is only a French thing?
Not many of the outstanding Spanish, Italian, Australian, New Zealand etc etc wines that I've ever drunk had the word "Chateau" on their labels


Very true, though I did mention Chateau Montelena (Napa) and Chateau Tahbilk (Victoria) in the article.

The wines I reviewed are from areas which don't tend to use "Château", making them a little unusual


There's Chateau St Michelle in Washington as well which produces a decent Cabernet Sauvignon and a Merlot.


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Some fantastic wines in the line-up for Spit Festival 2018:

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Laurent wrote:
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frankster wrote:
Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

My latest blog post

Surely this is only a French thing?
Not many of the outstanding Spanish, Italian, Australian, New Zealand etc etc wines that I've ever drunk had the word "Chateau" on their labels

Bordeaux mostly

the manor houses of the large properties all get called chateau.
it's a pointless exercise in bordellais as almost all get called chateau.


More often than not, there's no actual Chateau at all, just a shed, and the wines are actually bottled on a mobile bottling line ...

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Laurent wrote:
SaintK wrote:
frankster wrote:
Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

My latest blog post

Surely this is only a French thing?
Not many of the outstanding Spanish, Italian, Australian, New Zealand etc etc wines that I've ever drunk had the word "Chateau" on their labels

Bordeaux mostly

the manor houses of the large properties all get called chateau.
it's a pointless exercise in bordellais as almost all get called chateau.

in the other regions it's a lot less common.


There are several reasons for the "château(x)" thing in Bordeaux.

First one is historical in an effort to highlight the parcels that belonged to the "Lord" of the area vs. the "common" ones (screw 'em peasants... ah!). But the 1855 wine classification in the Bordeaux area only had a few châteaux.

The main and big reason is actually a legal one. It goes back to the end of the 19th century and the first efforts to protect french "brands". You couldn't just protect a name obviously and needed to add a distinctive term. Think of "Margaux" for example which is the name of a famous area in Medoc, they added the "Château" term and it became the world-renowned "Château Margaux". Obviously "Château" was quite popular as it gave a pompous "je ne sais quoi" to the wine. Another popular term in other wine areas is "Domaine" for example.

To prevent scams, the Law was changed many times and not everyone can use that "Château" term nowadays. Your wine grapes must come from an officially identified wine area, must have been "harvested" on the soils of the château and the wine raised at least 4 months in the cellars of the said château.


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SaintK wrote:
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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

My latest blog post

Surely this is only a French thing?
Not many of the outstanding Spanish, Italian, Australian, New Zealand etc etc wines that I've ever drunk had the word "Chateau" on their labels



Not at all. We are in NE Thailand and we frequently drive round to stock up at the Chateau de Loei, which is certainly the best* local winery.

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They have "chateau", "domaine", "clos" in Lebanon as well... Chateau Kefraya, Chateau Marsyas, Chateau Ksara (oldest one in Lebanon, goes back to the 19th century!), Clos Saint-Thomas...


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Yet again a great thread. Will the chateaus go for screw tops?


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They have "chateau", "domaine", "clos" in Lebanon as well... Chateau Kefraya, Chateau Marsyas, Chateau Ksara (oldest one in Lebanon, goes back to the 19th century!), Clos Saint-Thomas...


I bought some wine in Morocco and it was all Chateau this and that as well. Obviously the French influence.

I had a Callia Malbec last night. Not sure how it ended up in my house but it was very nice indeed for what I presume was not an expensive wine.


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Anybody mentioned Chateau Musar? Bit of a stunner from the Lebanon.


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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?


since you've mention this, I've started to notice that it does seem to be appearing more than before.

This:

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spotted on a decidedly average CdR that came with the "meal" on a BA flight back from Frankfurt yesterday.


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They have "chateau", "domaine", "clos" in Lebanon as well... Chateau Kefraya, Chateau Marsyas, Chateau Ksara (oldest one in Lebanon, goes back to the 19th century!), Clos Saint-Thomas...


I bought some wine in Morocco and it was all Chateau this and that as well. Obviously the French influence.

I had a Callia Malbec last night. Not sure how it ended up in my house but it was very nice indeed for what I presume was not an expensive wine.


Callia wines are pretty good...they make one of the few inexpensive Pinot Grigios that I like


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Wasn't able to make the O'Briens press tasting last week, but Mr O'Brien kindly brought some of the sweet wines to my wine club for us to try.

These were my favourite three


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Chateau, Domanie and Clos are used in some argentinian wines mostly owned by french companies (Clos de los Siete for example).


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Anybody mentioned Chateau Musar? Bit of a stunner from the Lebanon.

the only terroir giving the minerality of irradiated plutonium shell ;)


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Wedding in burgundy can cost a packet on return trip :lol:

8 cases bought on the trip home...

Some very nice stuff in maconnnais for relatively cheap.

Cote chalonnaise was a bit more pricey ...


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Wedding in burgundy can cost a packet on return trip :lol:

8 cases bought on the trip home...

Some very nice stuff in maconnnais for relatively cheap.

Cote chalonnaise was a bit more pricey ...


My region that...

What did you buy?


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Wedding in burgundy can cost a packet on return trip :lol:

8 cases bought on the trip home...

Some very nice stuff in maconnnais for relatively cheap.

Cote chalonnaise was a bit more pricey ...


My region that...

What did you buy?

Some in Azé at the coopérative with some really nice stuff , (aligoté and AOP white plus 2 reds and a blanc de noir crémant )
a few more in Mercurey (a Pouilly fuissé, chablis, and Mercurey premier cru) (at a propriétaire/négociant)


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Laurent wrote:
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Wedding in burgundy can cost a packet on return trip :lol:

8 cases bought on the trip home...

Some very nice stuff in maconnnais for relatively cheap.

Cote chalonnaise was a bit more pricey ...


My region that...

What did you buy?

Some in Azé at the coopérative with some really nice stuff , (aligoté and AOP white plus 2 reds and a blanc de noir crémant )
a few more in Mercurey (a Pouilly fuissé, chablis, and Mercurey premier cru) (at a propriétaire/négociant)


Cool. :thumbup:

Sounds like a good selection. Aligoté for your Kir, pétillant for celebrations and whites and reds for meals.

I don't tend to get to Azé much, more Viré Cléssé (they now do a great and very reasonably priced vendages tardives).

Pouilly Fuissé and the Mercurey should be a very good investment.


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clementinfrance wrote:
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Wedding in burgundy can cost a packet on return trip :lol:

8 cases bought on the trip home...

Some very nice stuff in maconnnais for relatively cheap.

Cote chalonnaise was a bit more pricey ...


My region that...

What did you buy?

Some in Azé at the coopérative with some really nice stuff , (aligoté and AOP white plus 2 reds and a blanc de noir crémant )
a few more in Mercurey (a Pouilly fuissé, chablis, and Mercurey premier cru) (at a propriétaire/négociant)


Cool. :thumbup:

Sounds like a good selection. Aligoté for your Kir, pétillant for celebrations and whites and reds for meals.

I don't tend to get to Azé much, more Viré Cléssé (they now do a great and very reasonably priced vendages tardives).

Pouilly Fuissé and the Mercurey should be a very good investment.

I am a drinker not in the game for investing ...

the Mercurey we tasted where really nice. (they had one 1er cru and another in the AOP)

Azé had vendange tardive (nice but we don't really drink any)
they had 2 veille vigne which were really nice (in white and red).


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Chateau Eyquem vendanges by UBB' players (Bordeaux rugby team), at least a small merlot parcel.

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pour une fois qu'à l'UBB ils vendangent autre chose que les ballons d'essai

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My mate Philip Amps has just been voted into the top 50 independent wine merchants.


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The UBB do that every year.

Happened to stop at Tours on the way back from the Ryder Cup, we had dinner in a fish restaurant and I got to taste a brilliant white wine, "La Taille aux Loups" from Jacquy Blot. Top stuff at a decent price (from 15 to 25€ in wine stores depending on the parcel/reference). Strongly recommended, especially if you visit the "Châteaux de la Loire", I was told the domain is not far from Tours. :thumbup:


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Question for fellow wineaux: Does "Château" on a label add prestige to a wine?

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It is quite funny that the most expansive wine in Bordeaux, Petrus, does not bother to put Chateau on its label. Chateau does not guarantee in anyway the quality of the wine....


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But they still put " mise en bouteille au Château ", also looking at the label it says " Grand vin", not " Grand cru classé " like the other top Bordeaux wines.


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It is quite funny that the most expansive wine in Bordeaux, Petrus, does not bother to put Chateau on its label. Chateau does not guarantee in anyway the quality of the wine....


Very few guarantees in wine, if any!


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But they still put " mise en bouteille au Château ", also looking at the label it says " Grand vin", not " Grand cru classé " like the other top Bordeaux wines.



Pomerol does not have official classification, when its neighbour Saint Emilion has.... So their wines are not allowed to put Grand cru classé on their label. French system of rankings wines is a real headache.


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