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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:39 am 
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Can't find the original thread - here is the:
->Article - http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2019/0 ... -rwc-2019/
-> Chart - https://ibb.co/0XYzCMb

Be interesting to see if the teams with the least foreign born players win this weekend - and whether anything could be drawn from that. The worst performing teams in the RWC are typically with no foreign players - so there is clearly an optimum number...

Japan:
Captain Michael Leitch, as well as Ata’ata Moeakiola, Asaeli Valu, and Ji-Won Koo all moved to Japan aged 14 or 15. Hendrik Tui did so aged 19 to attend university. Others including Uwe Helu, Timothy Lafaele, and Amanaki Mafi received higher education in the country along with Moeakiola, Nakajima, Valu, and Koo. Mafi played for Tonga u20 before attending university in Japan. In 2014 both Tonga and Japan named him on their rosters for the November Internationals in 2014. Lappies Labuschagne was selected to play for his native South Africa for the June 2013 internationals but was not capped. This enabled him, under World Rugby regulations, to remain unattached and thereby play for Japan upon competing three years residency.

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Isieli Nakajima LH Tonga Residency (2011) –
Ji-Won Koo TH South Korea Residency (2011) –
Asaeli Valu TH Tonga Residency (2007) –
Luke Thompson LO New Zealand Residency (2007) –
Wimpie van der Walt LO South Africa Residency (2017) –
Uwe Helu LO Tonga Residency (2016) –
James Moore LO Australia Residency (2019) –
Michael Leitch FL New Zealand Residency (2007) –
Lappies Labuschagne FL South Africa Residency (2019) –
Hendrik Tui FL New Zealand Residency (2009) –
Amanaki Mafi N8 Tonga Residency (2013) Tonga u20
Timothy Lafaele CE Samoa Residency (2017) –
Will Tupou CE New Zealand Residency (2016)
Lomano Lemeki WI New Zealand Residency (2012) –
Ata’ata Moeakiola WI Tonga Residency (2014) –
Kotaro Matsushima FB South Africa Parent

Australia (12)
All of Australia’s foreign-born players qualify via residency. Of them, 10 were raised in Australia with the two born and raised outside of Australia both having moved to the country from Fiji to play professional sport as adults. They are Isi Naisarani and Marika Koroibete. The former signed a contract with Rugby Australia before being eligible to play for the Wallabies; while the latter played in the Rugby League World Cup for Fiji.

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tolu Latu HK Tonga Residency (1998) –
Jordan Uelese HK New Zealand Residency (2011) –
Taniela Tupou TH Tonga Residency (2017) Tonga u15
David Pocock FL Zimbabwe Residency (2005) –
Lukhan Salakaia-Loto FL New Zealand Residency (2002) –
Isi Naisarani N8 Fiji Residency (2019) –
Will Genia SH Papua New Guinea Residency (2003) –
Christian Leali’ifano FH New Zealand Residency (1997) –
Samu Kerevi CE Fiji Residency (2004) Fiji u20
Tevita Kuridrani CE Fiji Residency (2010) Fiji u20
Marika Koroibete WI Fiji Residency (2015) Fiji (RL)
Dane Haylett-Petty FB South Africa Residency (2003) –

Wales (8)
Wales has a mixture of (a) players born abroad but raised in the country; (b) players born and raised abroad who qualify via a parent or grandparent; and (c) the use of three-year residency for one adult player. Of the players Hallam Amos, Jonathan Davies, George North, and Aaron Shingler were raised in Wales, having moved there as children; Ross Moriarty was born in England but mostly raised in Wales; while Hadleigh Parkes debuted for Wales on the same day that he completed his residency requirements at the age of 30.

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tomas Francis TH England Grandparent –
Jake Ball LO England Parent –
Aaron Shingler FL England Residency (1992) England u19 Cricket
Ross Moriarty N8 England Parent England u18, u20
Jonathan Davies CE England Parent –
Hadleigh Parkes CE New Zealand Residency (2017) –
Hallam Amos WI England Residency (2004) –
George North WI England Parent –

England (6)
England’s residency-qualified players all completed their three year periods prior to adulthood. The terminology of New Zealand born for Willi Heinz is far less accurate as he arrived in England from Super Rugby as a grown man. Manu Tuilagi’s brothers Freddie, Henry, Alesana, Anitelea, and Vavae all played for Samoa where they were born and raised. Unlike them, Manu was raised in England though in 2010 he faced deportation for having entered the UK on a tourist visa and subsequently overstaying.

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Mako Vunipola LH New Zealand Residency (2008) –
Sam Underhill FL USA Parent –
Billy Vunipola N8 Australia Residency (2008) –
Willi Heinz SH New Zealand Grandparent –
Manu Tuilagi CE Samoa Residency (2007) –
Joe Cokanasiga WI Fiji Residency (2003) –

Ireland (6)
Ireland’s players born abroad are of two varieties – (a) Luke McGrath and Joey Carbery moved from Canada and New Zealand to Ireland as children; and (b) ‘Project Players’. Jean Kleyn, CJ Stander, and Bundee Aki were all born and raised abroad and moved to Ireland on professional rugby contracts in their 20’s to all become eligible through residency. They would all debut for Ireland immediately after completing three years eligibility. In the case of Kleyn this would see him debuting on August 10 two days after becoming eligible. Stander was South Africa’s u20 captain.

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Jean Kleyn LO South Africa Residency (2019) –
Jordi Murphy FL Spain Parent –
CJ Stander N8 South Africa Residency (2016) South Africa u18, u20
Luke McGrath SH Canada Parent –
Joey Carbery FH New Zealand Parent –
Bundee Aki CE New Zealand Residency (2017) –

France (5)
Of all of rugby’s most powerful countries it is France who leads the way when it comes to players needing to prove their commitment to the cause. Playing for France requires not only eligibility but also for players to have a French passport. Contrary to common belief Virimi Vakatawa was born in Rangiora, New Zealand. He would move to Fiji as a child and begin playing rugby there aged 9 and at the age of 17 played for Fiji u19. It was at this point that Sireli Bobo assisted him to move to France. Alivereti Raka moved to France aged 20 and would turn down selection for Fiji in 2017 to instead play for France, debuting in 2019. Forwards Peato Mauvaka and Sébastien Vaha’amahina were born in New Caledonia, a French territory in the South Pacific Ocean.

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Cedate Gomes Sa TH Guinea-Bissau Residency (2008) –
Bernard le Roux FL South Africa Residency (2012) –
Sofiane Guitoune CE Algeria Residency (1995) –
Virimi Vakatawa CE New Zealand Residency (2013) Fiji u19
Alivereti Raka WI Fiji Residency (2018) –

New Zealand (4)
New Zealand has four players from abroad, all of whom qualify via residency. Of them Sevu Reece moved to play rugby in New Zealand on a high school scholarship aged 17; and Shannon Frizell did so on an academy contract with the Tasman Makos. The two others moved in their early teens. Ofa Tu’ungafasi moved to New Zealand aged 14. His father, Mofuike Tu’ungafasi, played for Tonga at RWC 1987.

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Ofa Tu’ungafasi LH Tonga Residency (2009) –
Nepo Laulala TH Samoa Residency (2007) –
Shannon Frizell FL Tonga Residency (2017) Tonga u20, Tonga u17 Soccer
Sevu Reece WI Fiji Residency (2017) –

SOUTH AFRICA (1)
Tendai Mtawarira has over 100 caps for South Africa and is the only player in the Springboks’ RWC roster born abroad. He has over a decade of representative duty for South Africa after moving from Zimbabwe to the Sharks. The remaining 30 players were all born and raised in South Africa.

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tendai Mtawarira LH Zimbabwe Residency (2008) Zimbabwe u18


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:45 am 
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How many are genuine poaches. I cant be bothered working that out.
Genuine poaches being players who moved to that country to play rugby and snuck in either through a grandparent or time in country.

For example, Naisarani and Korebeite are that for Australia.
Reece for NZ.
Etc.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:47 am 
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So Japan has a handful of true poaches.

Australia has one, with one additional poached by league.

Wales has one.

England one.

Ireland two.

NZ two.

France two.

SA none.

Not quite the rampant problem people make it out to be.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:50 am 
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I don't get the point of this thread.

Even if NZ now move into the 'Home Grown XV' provisional winner's circle after Argentina's unfortunate demise ...

... hasn't this all been gone over (and done to death) multiple times before?

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Will Genia SH Papua New Guinea Residency (2003)

Genia's mother was also an Aussie

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Oops ... South Africa is still unimpeacahble as the over easy 'most unpoached'!

Go Saffers

Maybe more folks move out of the joint than move in ... Dunno.


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Amusing that England has more PI's than NZ. What, with England being in the pacific and all.


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Kiap - there was a multi page thread on this before the comp. Now we're at the top eight it's interesting to see.

Japan - in my view - have embarked on a logn term plan to build an RWC squad (not just players but this whole sunwolves B thing). This is what their money has brought.

Other teams have supplemented players. These range from specific positions, specific countries etc.

South Africa to be fair to them select home grown.

As Zakar says there are very few actual poaches anymore.... i think though because people get picked up earlier...and for everyone that succeeds there will be a few failures (so maybe there is still a drain).


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kiwigreg369 wrote:
Kiap - there was a multi page thread on this before the comp. Now we're at the top eight it's interesting to see.


Which players have changed status, mate?


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Amusing that England has more PI's than NZ. What, with England being in the pacific and all.


You can have our whites, but we can't have your islanders?


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There'll be potentially someone with ties to Fiji in every 1/4 game this weekend. Not bad for such a small place,


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You can have our whites, but we can't have your islanders?

Have NZ got any poms, tho?

Asking for a friend


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John Gallagher ... *may have retired


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i know the guy who wrote that original article, he told me 3 days ago that he is talked with Augustin Pichot in extending teams to 24, 6 groups, so it will make teams work harder to qualify.....only top pool winners make it and best 2...teams will score more points (Focus on more tries than just winning to collect the maximum each game) ..it will hurt NH teams more but it will make them more competitive.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:30 am 
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well same as main European cup so should be acceptable to 6N countries.

As long as transparent process should be OK.


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Once again I have to pounce on the bollox about Wales.
We have 3 poaches in bold. All the rest are Welsh.
If you have one or two Welsh parents, speak Welsh, lived almost all your life (i.e. moved to Wales when you were 2 or 3), and think of yourself as Welsh and only Welsh you are Welsh. It is common for Welsh folk to live in England in their 20s before returning home as you seek family support. It is a far cry from hauling somebody from another country.

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PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tomas Francis TH England Grandparent –
Jake Ball LO England Parent –
Hadleigh Parkes CE New Zealand Residency (2017) –


Aaron Shingler FL England Residency (1992) England u19 Cricket
Ross Moriarty N8 England Parent England u18, u20
Jonathan Davies CE England Parent –
Hallam Amos WI England Residency (2004) –
George North WI England Parent –


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Once again I have to pounce on the bollox about Wales.
We have 3 poaches in bold. All the rest are Welsh.
If you have one or two Welsh parents, speak Welsh, lived almost all your life (i.e. moved to Wales when you were 2 or 3), and think of yourself as Welsh and only Welsh you are Welsh. It is common for Welsh folk to live in England in their 20s before returning home as you seek family support. It is a far cry from hauling somebody from another country.

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PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tomas Francis TH England Grandparent –
Jake Ball LO England Parent –
Hadleigh Parkes CE New Zealand Residency (2017) –


Aaron Shingler FL England Residency (1992) England u19 Cricket
Ross Moriarty N8 England Parent England u18, u20
Jonathan Davies CE England Parent –
Hallam Amos WI England Residency (2004) –
George North WI England Parent –


Yes, and thats the same for pretty much everyone on that list.
For the Australians, DHP moved to Oz when he was 8, Genia when he was 12, Lealiifano when he was 7, etc.
There are just two players that came as rugby players, Isi Naisarani and Marika Korebeite (who moved to play rugby league before crossing over).


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Lol at people getting upset at poaching claims, us kiwis been dealing with this bullshít for years.


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kiap wrote:
Oops ... South Africa is still unimpeacahble as the over easy 'most unpoached'!

Go Saffers

Maybe more folks move out of the joint than move in ... Dunno.

We have received millions of African migrants over the last few years. Easily more than the entire EU. They include asylum seekers from Somalia, Congo, South Sudan etc. As well as Zim, Rwanda, Malawi. And they're great. I'm hoping 2027 sees some Congolese kids playing for the Boks. They are absolute units. In Cape Town they run the doors at the clubs. The teenagers are already starting to come through at school level. So we are gonna be Poachy Mcpoachface soon. Tendai will be the grand patriarch of hundreds of poaches in the future.


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Farva wrote:
How many are genuine poaches. I cant be bothered working that out.
Genuine poaches being players who moved to that country to play rugby and snuck in either through a grandparent or time in country.

For example, Naisarani and Korebeite are that for Australia.
Reece for NZ.
Etc.


Professional rugby should be the yardstick. Reece came on a scholarship so he came for an education and a hot meal at lunchtime


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JamesJames wrote:
kiap wrote:
Oops ... South Africa is still unimpeacahble as the over easy 'most unpoached'!

Go Saffers

Maybe more folks move out of the joint than move in ... Dunno.

We have received millions of African migrants over the last few years. Easily more than the entire EU. They include asylum seekers from Somalia, Congo, South Sudan etc. As well as Zim, Rwanda, Malawi. And they're great. I'm hoping 2027 sees some Congolese kids playing for the Boks. They are absolute units. In Cape Town they run the doors at the clubs. The teenagers are already starting to come through at school level. So we are gonna be Poachy Mcpoachface soon. Tendai will be the grand patriarch of hundreds of poaches in the future.


At the risk of south african hyperbole - pierre spies ran 100m in 10.1 seconds in bare feet....

https://migrationdataportal.org/data?i= ... 9&cm49=710 - South africa
https://migrationdataportal.org/data?i= ... 9&cm49=826 - UK. UK runs about twice as much as SA, soon to not be in european union but germany and italy are mutliples again...


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Ireland.
Neither Jordi Murphy or Luke McGrath are poaches.
They were not born in Ireland as their parents were working overseas at their birth.
So Ireland is 4


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If you learnt your rugby and play professionally in one country and then go play professionally and represent another country then to me you're a poach.

But does it matter? When their prop went off injured early on all of their bench was over hugging him and that isn't the sign of a team full of mercenaries.


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Farva wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:
Once again I have to pounce on the bollox about Wales.
We have 3 poaches in bold. All the rest are Welsh.
If you have one or two Welsh parents, speak Welsh, lived almost all your life (i.e. moved to Wales when you were 2 or 3), and think of yourself as Welsh and only Welsh you are Welsh. It is common for Welsh folk to live in England in their 20s before returning home as you seek family support. It is a far cry from hauling somebody from another country.

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PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tomas Francis TH England Grandparent –
Jake Ball LO England Parent –
Hadleigh Parkes CE New Zealand Residency (2017) –


Aaron Shingler FL England Residency (1992) England u19 Cricket
Ross Moriarty N8 England Parent England u18, u20
Jonathan Davies CE England Parent –
Hallam Amos WI England Residency (2004) –
George North WI England Parent –


Yes, and thats the same for pretty much everyone on that list.
For the Australians, DHP moved to Oz when he was 8, Genia when he was 12, Lealiifano when he was 7, etc.
There are just two players that came as rugby players, Isi Naisarani and Marika Korebeite (who moved to play rugby league before crossing over).


Kerevi came to Australia when he was 4. Latu was 5. LSL was also a youngster. The others came to Australia as teenagers, including Pocock. Genia came to Australia for boarding school like a lot of PNG boys (Aussie mum). TK came across with his whole family...pretty sure he already had a heap of relatives in Brisbane already. Pretty stock standard migration in the region really. The fact they are good at rugby is a bonus.

Isi is and out and out poach as is Marika but he was poached by the NRL first so it doesn't count.


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If you learnt your rugby and play professionally in one country and then go play professionally and represent another country then to me you're a poach.

But does it matter? When their prop went off injured early on all of their bench was over hugging him and that isn't the sign of a team full of mercenaries.


I'd include players scouted as high school students and/or playing club rugby as well (non-professionally).


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Ireland.
Neither Jordi Murphy or Luke McGrath are poaches.
They were not born in Ireland as their parents were working overseas at their birth.
So Ireland is 4


LandOTurk wrote:
Once again I have to pounce on the bollox about Wales.
We have 3 poaches in bold. All the rest are Welsh.
If you have one or two Welsh parents, speak Welsh, lived almost all your life (i.e. moved to Wales when you were 2 or 3), and think of yourself as Welsh and only Welsh you are Welsh. It is common for Welsh folk to live in England in their 20s before returning home as you seek family support. It is a far cry from hauling somebody from another country.

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PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tomas Francis TH England Grandparent –
Jake Ball LO England Parent –
Hadleigh Parkes CE New Zealand Residency (2017) –


Aaron Shingler FL England Residency (1992) England u19 Cricket
Ross Moriarty N8 England Parent England u18, u20
Jonathan Davies CE England Parent –
Hallam Amos WI England Residency (2004) –
George North WI England Parent –


Do you chaps have a reading comprehension beyond primary school level FFS?


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Always object to someone who qualifies through their parents being on these lists. Wherever my fictional child for the sake of this post is born, he would be an Englishman. Said fictional child would have the barrier to international rugby of 3rd XV genetics, but you get the point.


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Always object to someone who qualifies through their parents being on these lists. Wherever my fictional child for the sake of this post is born, he would be an Englishman. Said fictional child would have the barrier to international rugby of 3rd XV genetics, but you get the point.


I must say I'm not a huge fan of the grandparent rule.


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Always object to someone who qualifies through their parents being on these lists. Wherever my fictional child for the sake of this post is born, he would be an Englishman. Said fictional child would have the barrier to international rugby of 3rd XV genetics, but you get the point.


I must say I'm not a huge fan of the grandparent rule.

I don’t disagree, but that’s a different debate.


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If you learnt your rugby and play professionally in one country and then go play professionally and represent another country then to me you're a poach.

But does it matter? When their prop went off injured early on all of their bench was over hugging him and that isn't the sign of a team full of mercenaries.


I'd include players scouted as high school students and/or playing club rugby as well (non-professionally).


Fair enough. So something like 15 year olds onward ?


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Ireland.
Neither Jordi Murphy or Luke McGrath are poaches.
They were not born in Ireland as their parents were working overseas at their birth.
So Ireland is 4


LandOTurk wrote:
Once again I have to pounce on the bollox about Wales.
We have 3 poaches in bold. All the rest are Welsh.
If you have one or two Welsh parents, speak Welsh, lived almost all your life (i.e. moved to Wales when you were 2 or 3), and think of yourself as Welsh and only Welsh you are Welsh. It is common for Welsh folk to live in England in their 20s before returning home as you seek family support. It is a far cry from hauling somebody from another country.

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PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tomas Francis TH England Grandparent –
Jake Ball LO England Parent –
Hadleigh Parkes CE New Zealand Residency (2017) –


Aaron Shingler FL England Residency (1992) England u19 Cricket
Ross Moriarty N8 England Parent England u18, u20
Jonathan Davies CE England Parent –
Hallam Amos WI England Residency (2004) –
George North WI England Parent –


Do you chaps have a reading comprehension beyond primary school level FFS?


+1

Jesus lads. Pay attention. It's a foreign born list not a verified poached player list


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It's pointless is what it is


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kiap wrote:
Oops ... South Africa is still unimpeacahble as the over easy 'most unpoached'!

Go Saffers

Maybe more folks move out of the joint than move in ... Dunno.

We have received millions of African migrants over the last few years. Easily more than the entire EU. They include asylum seekers from Somalia, Congo, South Sudan etc. As well as Zim, Rwanda, Malawi. And they're great. I'm hoping 2027 sees some Congolese kids playing for the Boks. They are absolute units. In Cape Town they run the doors at the clubs. The teenagers are already starting to come through at school level. So we are gonna be Poachy Mcpoachface soon. Tendai will be the grand patriarch of hundreds of poaches in the future.

The Nigerians will make very good rugby players.


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Lol at people getting upset at poaching claims, us kiwis been dealing with this bullshít for years.


The peak had to be that of Me'alamu from the Pacific resort island of Toko'oroa being a poach.


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kiwigreg369 wrote:
JamesJames wrote:
kiap wrote:
Oops ... South Africa is still unimpeacahble as the over easy 'most unpoached'!

Go Saffers

Maybe more folks move out of the joint than move in ... Dunno.

We have received millions of African migrants over the last few years. Easily more than the entire EU. They include asylum seekers from Somalia, Congo, South Sudan etc. As well as Zim, Rwanda, Malawi. And they're great. I'm hoping 2027 sees some Congolese kids playing for the Boks. They are absolute units. In Cape Town they run the doors at the clubs. The teenagers are already starting to come through at school level. So we are gonna be Poachy Mcpoachface soon. Tendai will be the grand patriarch of hundreds of poaches in the future.


At the risk of south african hyperbole - pierre spies ran 100m in 10.1 seconds in bare feet....

https://migrationdataportal.org/data?i= ... 9&cm49=710 - South africa
https://migrationdataportal.org/data?i= ... 9&cm49=826 - UK. UK runs about twice as much as SA, soon to not be in european union but germany and italy are mutliples again...

That would be documented migrants KG. We have an extremely porous border. And also I am talking about African immigrants. How many asylum seekers does NZ welcome every year? When I checked you guys love people with big bucks and PHD's but don't love african asylum seeker so much (White Saffers excluded, netball players, cricketers etc). But thanks for your knowledgeable input. You're obviously so much closer to the ground than us South Africans about our issues.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:07 am 
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As the question is 'Foreign born players playing for country in QFs' and Aki is banned and Kleyn wont play.

The answer for Ireland is 1 genuine poach- CJ Stander.


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JamesJames wrote:
kiap wrote:
Oops ... South Africa is still unimpeacahble as the over easy 'most unpoached'!

Go Saffers

Maybe more folks move out of the joint than move in ... Dunno.

We have received millions of African migrants over the last few years. Easily more than the entire EU. They include asylum seekers from Somalia, Congo, South Sudan etc. As well as Zim, Rwanda, Malawi. And they're great. I'm hoping 2027 sees some Congolese kids playing for the Boks. They are absolute units. In Cape Town they run the doors at the clubs. The teenagers are already starting to come through at school level. So we are gonna be Poachy Mcpoachface soon. Tendai will be the grand patriarch of hundreds of poaches in the future.

You have a lot of Nigerian Migrants too, is that not so.


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lorcanoworms wrote:
JamesJames wrote:
kiap wrote:
Oops ... South Africa is still unimpeacahble as the over easy 'most unpoached'!

Go Saffers

Maybe more folks move out of the joint than move in ... Dunno.

We have received millions of African migrants over the last few years. Easily more than the entire EU. They include asylum seekers from Somalia, Congo, South Sudan etc. As well as Zim, Rwanda, Malawi. And they're great. I'm hoping 2027 sees some Congolese kids playing for the Boks. They are absolute units. In Cape Town they run the doors at the clubs. The teenagers are already starting to come through at school level. So we are gonna be Poachy Mcpoachface soon. Tendai will be the grand patriarch of hundreds of poaches in the future.

You have a lot of Nigerian Migrants too, is that not so.

Yes, lots of Nigerians. There is one in my daughter's class at school. Although instead of being a great athlete she is in the debating society and a whizz at maths.


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From the immigration page of http://www.govt.nz


Who can come to NZ as a refugee
Refugees arrive in New Zealand in 3 ways.

Around 1000 refugees come through the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR) resettlement programme.
About 150 asylum seekers — people who have fled from their own country because they fear persecution or harm — are recognised as refugees.
Family members join refugees already living here.


Jeez! :lol: :lol: Slow down New Zealand. Leave some asylum seekers for the rest of us. 150, don't be greedy. I don't think you deserve the "fudge off we're full." stereotype at all. :lol:


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blindcider wrote:
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Ireland.
Neither Jordi Murphy or Luke McGrath are poaches.
They were not born in Ireland as their parents were working overseas at their birth.
So Ireland is 4


LandOTurk wrote:
Once again I have to pounce on the bollox about Wales.
We have 3 poaches in bold. All the rest are Welsh.
If you have one or two Welsh parents, speak Welsh, lived almost all your life (i.e. moved to Wales when you were 2 or 3), and think of yourself as Welsh and only Welsh you are Welsh. It is common for Welsh folk to live in England in their 20s before returning home as you seek family support. It is a far cry from hauling somebody from another country.

Wales (8)

PLAYER POS BIRTH COUNTRY ELIGIBILITY OTHER REP.
Tomas Francis TH England Grandparent –
Jake Ball LO England Parent –
Hadleigh Parkes CE New Zealand Residency (2017) –


Aaron Shingler FL England Residency (1992) England u19 Cricket
Ross Moriarty N8 England Parent England u18, u20
Jonathan Davies CE England Parent –
Hallam Amos WI England Residency (2004) –
George North WI England Parent –


Do you chaps have a reading comprehension beyond primary school level FFS?


Have you ever developed a method of communicating with people that doesn't include insulting them?


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Zakar wrote:
So Japan has a handful of true poaches.

15 :lol:


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