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Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 10:57 pm
by Ali's Choice
:lol: @ Guy Smiley's avatar :thumbup: :thumbup:

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:57 am
by Ali's Choice
I like it very much :thumbup:

And TBh if my desired outcome occurs on Saturday evening I might even borrow it for a few days, just to wind up the like of BiV, mightyreds etc. Temporarily of course, I haven't willingly changed my avatar since I first joined back in 2006. But an ALP win this weekend would be a cause for celebration.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:41 am
by Shrekles
I want a picture of Tony Abbott in the dole queue as my new avatar.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:31 am
by Shrekles
Speaking of half term Tony - this is an interesting quote in relation to his opponent 4 days out from the poll
"I don't believe her, given that she's said her biggest issue by far is climate change and Labor has a much better climate change policy than the Coalition."

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:06 am
by swc
something you'd normally expect from the shovel :D :lol:
Pauline kicks an own goal: One Nation leader calls far-right senator Fraser Anning a 'racist' - and says he is trying to be 'another Pauline Hanson'

Pauline Hanson has scored a spectacular own goal after branding Senator Fraser Anning a racist before saying he was trying to be more like her just moments later.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... spartandhp

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:49 am
by mightyreds
Ali's Choice wrote:I like it very much :thumbup:

And TBh if my desired outcome occurs on Saturday evening I might even borrow it for a few days, just to wind up the like of BiV, mightyreds etc. Temporarily of course, I haven't willingly changed my avatar since I first joined back in 2006. But an ALP win this weekend would be a cause for celebration.
If they did win, that would be the last time you had cause to celebrate it.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:48 am
by Ali's Choice
mightyreds wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:I like it very much :thumbup:

And TBh if my desired outcome occurs on Saturday evening I might even borrow it for a few days, just to wind up the like of BiV, mightyreds etc. Temporarily of course, I haven't willingly changed my avatar since I first joined back in 2006. But an ALP win this weekend would be a cause for celebration.
If they did win, that would be the last time you had cause to celebrate it.
Shut the f**k up, loser.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:22 am
by koroke hangareka
Assuming these people didn't come by boat, so obviously they're good.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:42 am
by Brumbie_Steve
When the LNP claim that there could be murderers and rapists amongst the refugee intake they know what they are talking about.

Anything less than an electoral drubbing of these wit kant will be insuffiiient. I cant bekieve the level to which they have sunk. The absolute disregard for common decency and lack of moral compass is astounding.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:07 am
by _fatprop
Libs have been gone for months, the only question left is how big they will lose

There was a nice quote on I think a Guardian Podcast from some guy in a south coast marginal seat "we have a choice between Gonorrhea and Syphilis"

Pretty accurate

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:06 am
by _fatprop
guy smiley wrote:The hidden question in this election is just how big a shitfight are the Libs leaving behind themselves for Labor to wear? How much debt, how many dodgy deals, how many biased appointments...

they've done a fine job of sabotaging the whole country. And as for that choice between STIs, while I am cynical about the machinations of Big Politics, there is no way in hell the ALP come close to the depths of merde the coalition have plumbed over the last decade. The comparison is pathetic.
Labor promised a load of stuff in their last government that would only be implemented post election and then complained about "cuts" to services and committed for spending well into the future.

They both smell

Labor will do what every government does, have a mini budget after discovering "how bad" the books are, throw on the tax changes they want and cut the services they can; and then in a following budget the estimates gets revised and they will suddenly have a load of money due to their "good management"

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:05 am
by Brumbie_Steve
guy smiley wrote:The hidden question in this election is just how big a shitfight are the Libs leaving behind themselves for Labor to wear? How much debt, how many dodgy deals, how many biased appointments...

they've done a fine job of sabotaging the whole country. And as for that choice between STIs, while I am cynical about the machinations of Big Politics, there is no way in hell the ALP come close to the depths of merde the coalition have plumbed over the last decade. The comparison is pathetic.
To get their 'surplus' for next year the lnp have cut everything and looking to sell anything not nailed down. There are large scale cuts being scheduled for all departments but nobody has worked it out yet. Home Affairs cuts have been publicised or exposed depending on your perspective but there will be others. For the last couple of years the LNP have been running down the PS and kicking the can down the road on when services will have to be cut. This hits next year so Labor will inherit a shitfight in the PS, many contracts that they will be saddled with and perhaps be forced to complete transactions that the LNP initiated just prior to caretaker mode. Whilst some may say 'every govt does this' it is on an unprecedented scale.

Traditionally Labor don't do a night of long knives and use process to pursue enemies but it may this time as the sheer scale of malfeasance has been off the charts. The last 3 LNP governments have basically stolen money from the public coffers to give to special interest groups, mates, associates and in some cases to themselves. The outsourcing and other commercial deals they have signed up for are third world level of corrupt.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:37 am
by Brumbie_Steve
The Liberal party has pledged to cut $1.5 billion in spending on the public service over the next four years, to fund promises made during the election campaign.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann made the announcement in Melbourne, saying the efficiency dividend would stay at 2 per cent over the next two years, reducing to 1.5 per cent in 2021-22 and 1 per cent the following year.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Minister for Finance and the Public Service Mathias Cormann made the announcement. Picture: Alex Ellinghausen


The extension would mean a reduction of $136 million in 2019-20, $379 million in 2020-21, jumping to $506 million in 2021 and $493 million in 2022-23.
A Coalition statement said this amount would increase to $5 billion over the medium term.

MORE ELECTION NEWS
Labor's public service promise: No forced cuts to conditions
Liberals say a cut to contractor spend is a $2.1 billion cut to public service spending
Exemptions to the efficiency dividend will apply to agencies with average staffing levels below 200, and to the national collecting institutions, which includes the Australian War Memorial, the National Archives of Australia, National Gallery of Australia, National Library of Australia and National Museum of Australia.
Agencies such as the National Disability Insurance Agency, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority will also be excluded.
The existing exclusion for Australian Signals Directorate and the Office of National Intelligence will be extended.
The spending cut has been framed by the Coalition as a similar saving to the one promised by Labor, where the opposition has promised a $2.6 billion reduction in spending on contractors, consultants and travel.
In a statement released with the costings Mr Frydenberg and Senator Cormann said the Coalition measure would give departmental secretaries the power to decide where cuts would be made.
"If departmental secretaries assess that these efficiencies can best be secured through reductions in expenditure on contractors, consultants and travel, because that makes sense from a value-for-money point of view, then of course that is what the Coalition would expect them to do," the statement said.
"Efficiency outcomes will be better and more sensible by letting departmental secretaries make those judgements based on value-for-money considerations."
In contrast, last week Labor committed to forgoing 0.5 per cent of the efficiency dividend from next financial year.


Shadow Assistant Treasurer Andrew Leigh said it was "gutless" that the Liberal party had waited until two days before the election to make the announcement when many Canberrans had already cast a pre-poll vote.
"After literally decimating the public service, the Liberals are planning massive cuts in the future," he said.
"The choice on polling day couldn't be starker - between a progressive Labor Party that will scrap the staffing cap and not proceed with the additional efficiency dividend, versus a Liberal Party that will inflict further cuts on the public service."
Greens ACT Senate candidate Penny Kyburz said it was an "apalling attack" on the public service.
"On the eve of the election, to make this announcement shows their continued disregard for Canberra and the hard working public servants who are struggling to fulfill their remits with ever dwindling resources," she said.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14350

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:01 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
It would be best if Labor list all the cuts they have to deal with, and the minister that signed them off immediately after a victory.

Cunce

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:09 am
by Brumbie_Steve
It is actually surreal that anybody seriously considers voting for them. Have you seen Mighty Reds spruiking for Clive Palmer?

I have also decided that the phrase 'Yeah, good onya ScoMo' is going to become part of the Australian lexicon.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:17 am
by Brumbie_Steve

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:55 am
by Ali's Choice
Allan Jones on Sky News pleading with viewers to vote for the Coalition, He just boasted that the Coalition will win Saturday's election and that the ALP won't pick up a single seat outside Victoria.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:59 am
by Brumbie_Steve
Ali's Choice wrote:Allan Jones on Sky News pleading with viewers to vote for the Coalition, He just boasted that the Coalition will win Saturday's election and that the ALP won't pick up a single seat outside Victoria.

He's another wit kant that cant die fast enough. Don't worry Alan I'm sure they have public toilets for you to perform lewd acts in.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:13 am
by Brumbie_Steve
guy smiley wrote:
Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Allan Jones on Sky News pleading with viewers to vote for the Coalition, He just boasted that the Coalition will win Saturday's election and that the ALP won't pick up a single seat outside Victoria.

He's another plum that cant die fast enough. Don't worry Alan I'm sure they have public toilets for you to perform lewd acts in.
Apparently, he's promised to quit if Labor win.
Quit performing lewd acts in public toilets? Surely at his age that would be retirement rather than resignation.

Quit what?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:18 am
by Ali's Choice
I'm just not seeing the momentum for the Coalition that Allan Jones is desperately telling us exists. Morrison started the campaign off well, but has fizzled over the past fortnight. He lost all three leaders debates ffs. I know the public is luke warm on Shorten, but I just don't see how Morrison has done enough to pull this back. Perhaps the unprecedented UAP spend will get the Coalition home on preferences? I think UAP will just steal the far right vote off One Nation, those two parties are fighting for the same political base.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:26 am
by Ali's Choice
Andrew Bolt on Sky News also claiming victory in this election for the Coalition. He's claiming that the dramatic change in public opinion that will deliver Morrison an election win on Saturday is the result of the public no longer believing in Climate Change.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:45 am
by Farva
Bob Hawke gooooone

Just saw he has passed.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 am
by Vuaka
My fellow Australians, please vote the LNP out.

Do it for Bob.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:20 am
by Vuaka
Caley_Red wrote:Still looks like it'll be an ALP win but the polls have narrowed dramatically over the last month.

It'll be interesting to see how my seat, Wentworth, goes in the election- same Liberal candidate standing against independent incumbent.

I can't vote in Australian elections but will be eating some sausages whilst the other half does :D
The anger over Turnbull's axing seems to have dissipated and Get Up hasn't been as active on the ground this time.

Word is that Sharma will get in.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:50 am
by swc
Unemployment up, letting murders secretly into the country in a people swap, savage cuts to get to this mythical surplus. Surely these wit kant can’t get voted back in?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:10 pm
by Pat the Ex Mat
A friend was at an event where Peta Credlin all but admitted it's over.

Hopefully [/Mockers]

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:26 pm
by Ali's Choice
Vuaka wrote:
Caley_Red wrote:Still looks like it'll be an ALP win but the polls have narrowed dramatically over the last month.

It'll be interesting to see how my seat, Wentworth, goes in the election- same Liberal candidate standing against independent incumbent.

I can't vote in Australian elections but will be eating some sausages whilst the other half does :D
The anger over Turnbull's axing seems to have dissipated and Get Up hasn't been as active on the ground this time.

Word is that Sharma will get in.
Wentworth is one of the wealthiest, most conservative electorates in Australia. The fact that they ever lost Wentworth is an indictement to the Liberals. Sharma is a strong candidate and if he wins it shouldn' surprise anyone.

This election is going to be close. But if the ALP this will be the first Federal Election where News Corp have not backed the winning party. It will effectively be the end of the Murdoch control over Australia's political power.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:34 pm
by J Man
What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:45 pm
by wamberal99
J Man wrote:What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?

The ALP, just. Should be romping in, but Scummo is more popular than Shorty, and he has run a very clever and effective campaign.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:50 pm
by 749a
J Man wrote:What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?
Bookies have Labor at 1.14 and the coalition at 5.75

Sportsbet have paid out on a Labor win as they don't want to take any more money on them

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:53 pm
by wamberal99
What qualifies as a "win"? Most seats, or the ability to form a government?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:54 pm
by _fatprop
Abbott provides further motivation for voting for Steggall

Image

It highlights his "strength" of absolute focus on the issues he thinks are important (that made him a good opposition leader) and the negative that he is a unware "c*nt" who can't be just respectful and show compassion

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:56 pm
by 749a
wamberal99 wrote:What qualifies as a "win"? Most seats, or the ability to form a government?
Who is sworn in

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:57 pm
by wamberal99
749a wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:What qualifies as a "win"? Most seats, or the ability to form a government?
Who is sworn in

Well, the smart money usually gets it right. Here's hoping. I want to enjoy my Saturday night!

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:17 am
by Taranaki Snapper
749a wrote:
J Man wrote:What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?
Bookies have Labor at 1.14 and the coalition at 5.75

Sportsbet have paid out on a Labor win as they don't want to take any more money on them
:thumbup:

That has slightly unknotted my gut...

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:27 am
by Slim 293
Despite the polls seemingly being tight, for the Coalition to win they still have to actually win seats off Labor to be able to form Government... and that's looking tough...

They're now on track to lose Corangamite...

Abbott is giving the voters of Warringah more reasons not to vote for him...

Dutton looks like he might hang onto Dickson...

And the Greens have a good chance in Higgins... the ACTU now putting them ahead of Labor on how to vote cards.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:30 am
by _fatprop
The betting agencies are usually accurate

Next Election - Sworn in Government
Labor. 1.14.
Coalition. 5.75.

and by how far
Labor 76 to 80 seats 2.75
Labor 81 to 85 seats 3.00
Labor 86 to 90 seats 3.25


Labor 91 to 100 seats 6.00

And Abbott's seat

Warringah (NSW) WinnerSat 18 May 18:00 Party wins seat. At Final Count.
Zali Steggall (Independent) 1.60
Tony Abbott (Coalition) 2.25

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:33 am
by Slim 293
Fairfax have now put out their editorial backing Shorten...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/shor ... 51o1a.html


The Guardian are backing "not the Liberals"...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -emergency


It will be interesting to see what the Murdoch rags come out with tonight.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:42 am
by Slim 293
Scratch that...

The Australian and Daily Telegraph's editorials were buried in their sites, but they're rooting for the "stability" of a Coalition government.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:55 am
by Slim 293
Please tell me Abbott is sitting on one of the TV panels tomorrow night...

I would love another John Pesutto moment:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-24/ ... v/10552112