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Daniel Andrews Linked To 1989 Exxon Valdez Oil Spill

Embattled Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has been hit by another scandal this week, after being linked to the 1989 Exxon Valdez Oil Spill disaster.... The resulting oil slick devastated the local environment but provided hours of billable hours for thousands of lawyers, which is nice.

To date, the Victorian Premier has not been able to show that he did anything to stop the disaster, or help in the cleanup operation despite being alive at the time. After the disaster the Exxon Valdez was renamed 6 times and eventually broken up for scrap in 2012, moves which were presumably made to distance the ship from Andrews.

When contacted for comment on rumours that Andrews drives a car powered by petrol refined from oil just like the oil carried by the Exxon Valdez, a clear conflict of interest, a spokesperson for the Premier’s office said they had “no comment”, a phrase often used by guilty people who have been caught red-handed.

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/enterta ... oil-spill/

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Will the Koala revolt succeed?

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:12 am Bump to page 1 -

Will the Koala revolt succeed?

You may need to wait until tomorrow morning to find out

MungoMan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:13 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:12 am Bump to page 1 -

Will the Koala revolt succeed?

You may need to wait until tomorrow morning to find out

Yes, saw that an ultimatum has been issued.

This can't only be about koalas.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:13 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:12 am Bump to page 1 -

Will the Koala revolt succeed?

You may need to wait until tomorrow morning to find out

Yes, saw that an ultimatum has been issued.

This can't only be about koalas.

Certainly Gladys B is not buggering about here. She seems intent on breaking the Nats to her will or just breaking them, fullstop.

Had a gutfull, one suspects.

That said, I'm insufficiently familiar with the details of recent Lib v Nat contretemps in NSW to have any real idea what else might be pushing Berijiklian in this direction.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:14 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:13 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:12 am Bump to page 1 -

Will the Koala revolt succeed?

You may need to wait until tomorrow morning to find out

Yes, saw that an ultimatum has been issued.

This can't only be about koalas.

Certainly Gladys B is not buggering about here. She seems intent on breaking the Nats to her will or just breaking them, fullstop.

Had a gutfull, one suspects.

That said, I'm insufficiently familiar with the details of recent Lib v Nat contretemps in NSW to have any real idea what else might be pushing Berijiklian in this direction.

As you say Mungo, we probably need to wait until morning. I think however that it is that mungo-lite supporter NP cocksucker who is driving this. And I think there is more to it it than the poor bloody Koalas.

I am beginning to quite like Gladys, in a way.

RTZ blasting the ancient rock art, because it could, was a situation I found lamentable.

Don't know if this is left or right or culture wars stuff but would be interested in any Aussie perspectives on this?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/rio-tinto-j ... as-allowed

shereblue wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:00 am RTZ blasting the ancient rock art, because it could, was a situation I found lamentable.

Don't know if this is left or right or culture wars stuff but would be interested in any Aussie perspectives on this?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/rio-tinto-j ... as-allowed

This article give some hint of how Rio Tinto's actions have been perceived: Rio Tinto boss Jean-Sebastien Jacques quits over Juukan Gorge blast.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:39 am

shereblue wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:00 am RTZ blasting the ancient rock art, because it could, was a situation I found lamentable.

Don't know if this is left or right or culture wars stuff but would be interested in any Aussie perspectives on this?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/rio-tinto-j ... as-allowed

This article give some hint of how Rio Tinto's actions have been perceived: Rio Tinto boss Jean-Sebastien Jacques quits over Juukan Gorge blast.

Thanks.

It looks like the shareholders and the market itself had some positive impact on RTZ. Perhaps also the prospect of future intervention? All good (imo).

I know that regulation can be seen as an unwarranted brake on business but I'm still surprised that RTZ were in a position to carry out this blasting with such little, apparent consultation.

shereblue wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:05 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:39 am

shereblue wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:00 am RTZ blasting the ancient rock art, because it could, was a situation I found lamentable.

Don't know if this is left or right or culture wars stuff but would be interested in any Aussie perspectives on this?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/rio-tinto-j ... as-allowed

This article give some hint of how Rio Tinto's actions have been perceived: Rio Tinto boss Jean-Sebastien Jacques quits over Juukan Gorge blast.

Thanks.

It looks like the shareholders and the market itself had some positive impact on RTZ. Perhaps also the prospect of future intervention? All good (imo).

I know that regulation can be seen as an unwarranted brake on business but I'm still surprised that RTZ were in a position to carry out this blasting with such little, apparent consultation.

West Oz is still rip tear bust when it comes to mining. It's the only play they have.

I would pay money to watch Giovani's reaction to this evisceration, awesome stuff from Friendlyjordies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihoirTY ... dlyjordies

Bump - have you people been watching what the Victoria Gestapo have been up to?

Turn on the news. Even the ABC had 25 seconds on it.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:39 am

shereblue wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:00 am RTZ blasting the ancient rock art, because it could, was a situation I found lamentable.

Don't know if this is left or right or culture wars stuff but would be interested in any Aussie perspectives on this?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/rio-tinto-j ... as-allowed

This article give some hint of how Rio Tinto's actions have been perceived: Rio Tinto boss Jean-Sebastien Jacques quits over Juukan Gorge blast.

Probably with multi-million dollar golden handshakes.

Absolute f-cking c-nts.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:55 am Bump - have you people been watching what the Victoria Gestapo have been up to?

Turn on the news. Even the ABC had 25 seconds on it.

It’s shit and I trust that the police responsible will be tried and if guilty have the book thrown at them.

Farva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:03 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:55 am Bump - have you people been watching what the Victoria Gestapo have been up to?

Turn on the news. Even the ABC had 25 seconds on it.

It’s shit and I trust that the police responsible will be tried and if guilty have the book thrown at them.

Linky? What are you guys talking about?

I saw one recently where they arrested a pregnant girl that a lot of people were getting all shouty about. Didn't look like a big deal to me. Some attention seeking bimbo who they treated very gently and probably got off with a slap on the wrist.

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:05 am

Farva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:03 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:55 am Bump - have you people been watching what the Victoria Gestapo have been up to?

Turn on the news. Even the ABC had 25 seconds on it.

It’s shit and I trust that the police responsible will be tried and if guilty have the book thrown at them.

Linky? What are you guys talking about?

I saw one recently where they arrested a pregnant girl that a lot of people were getting all shouty about. Didn't look like a big deal to me. Some attention seeking bimbo who they treated very gently and probably got off with a slap on the wrist.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... n-his-head

Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:05 am

Farva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:03 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:55 am Bump - have you people been watching what the Victoria Gestapo have been up to?

Turn on the news. Even the ABC had 25 seconds on it.

It’s shit and I trust that the police responsible will be tried and if guilty have the book thrown at them.

Linky? What are you guys talking about?

I saw one recently where they arrested a pregnant girl that a lot of people were getting all shouty about. Didn't look like a big deal to me. Some attention seeking bimbo who they treated very gently and probably got off with a slap on the wrist.

Mog, this would be my bet: Vicpol stomp fella's scone.

They should be sent to prison.

It's going to be a very interesting 4-5 weeks in Australian politics.

The federal Budget, which was delayed due to covid-19, is due to be handed down on October 6th. I expect a cash-splash, this is the first Budget in living memory where no-one will care about the size of the budget deficit. Morrison is a political pragmatist, and so I expect lots of money for tax cuts, fossil fuels, mining and small business. The Federal ALP has been deliberately keeping a relatively low profile and adopted a small target approach. It will be interesting to see how they react to this budget.

The QLD state election is happening on October 31st. This is the first major state election since the covid-19 pandemic. It looks like being a very close contest. Palaszczuk has done very well keeping QLD safe from covid and has the advantage of incumbency, however she is up against the full force of the Murdoch media empire. In her advantage is weak Opposition leader in Frecklington. When the QLD public changes govt it is often in a landslide, so this election will be very interesting to watch. My feel is that there will be a change of govt in QLD, but that the LNP are a rabble who are not ready to govern.

The Victorian 2nd wave will continue to be a massive political focus over the coming weeks and months. By the time the QLD election is complete, extreme lockdown and curfews may be over in Melbourne city. Dan Andrews has had the kitchen sink thrown at him by all sections of the media, the Federal govt and the state opposition, but has grown as a leader and has guided the state through its darkest days. Vic Health, Vic Police and the state govt seem to have done an effective job in controlling Victoria's 2nd wave, after things got out of control for a few weeks. There is still a long time to go until the next Victorian election.

And in NSW, the Nationals are in crisis. After leading a farcical power play over the Koala laws, John Barilaro has lost an immense amount of political capital and has taken a month off on stress leave. He has MP's jumping ship to the Liberals. I suspect his leadership is now terminal, although having dissenting MP's leave to join the Liberal party may help him in any future caucus leadership vote. He's a dead politician walking, but the impact that his demise will have on the wider political environment in NSW is still unclear.

Interesting figures in Newspoll today. Despite a sustained and ongoing campaign against both Andrews and Palaszcuk by News ltd, their popularity seems to have held up quite well.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:19 am Interesting figures in Newspoll today. Despite a sustained and ongoing campaign against both Andrews and Palaszcuk by News ltd, their popularity seems to have held up quite well.

Andrews is going to get smashed in the August data, and assume in the collection of Sept data now.

Palaszcuk looks strong - and getting stronger.

Seems like reasonable responses from the voters in those states given the relative performance of each of the premiers.

As for the media approach i assume that it is a constant - ignoring COVID. They definitely have more to go after Andrews on for his, and his governments issues, but i assume they've never been neutral and always had it in for him. Same for Palaszcuk but assume her handling has put her in a stronger position.

AC - to your earlier post it will be an interesting 4/5 weeks. On the Federal budget it will be a free for all - but i do hope the once in a generation type option available here is used to favour the majority (and not to create further wealth and income inequality in Australia).

I doubt that will be the case.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:08 am Andrews is going to get smashed in the August data, and assume in the collection of Sept data now.

I could be reading this polling diagram wrongly, but the way i read it there is no August data on Andrews and Palaszczuk (Newspoll doesn't collect the same focus data every month) and the September data reads very well for Andrews. Typically this data is collected in the fortnight prior to Newspoll being released, so this good data reflects current sentiment.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:12 am AC - to your earlier post it will be an interesting 4/5 weeks. On the Federal budget it will be a free for all - but i do hope the once in a generation type option available here is used to favour the majority (and not to create further wealth and income inequality in Australia).

I doubt that will be the case.

I hope so too, but like you I am not confident. Too many vested interests, including those in the media whose job is to hold our governments to account.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:16 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:08 am Andrews is going to get smashed in the August data, and assume in the collection of Sept data now.

I could be reading this polling diagram wrongly, but the way i read it there is no August data on Andrews and Palaszczuk (Newspoll doesn't collect the same focus data every month) and the September data reads very well for Andrews. Typically this data is collected in the fortnight prior to Newspoll being released, so this good data reflects current sentiment.

Sorry, my bad - misread. And it is as you say.

AC, what are you going to say about newscorp when the editorial policy shifts to supporting labour? History tells us that when Murdoch (and possibly this is something his likely successors will follow) detects that the general population are inclining to change, he tends he to go with them. I think it's bound to happen in the medium term, at least.

Will you hold your anti-news line and eschew that support?

Ellafan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:12 pm AC, what are you going to say about newscorp when the editorial policy shifts to supporting labour? History tells us that when Murdoch (and possibly this is something his likely successors will follow) detects that the general population are inclining to change, he tends he to go with them. I think it's bound to happen in the medium term, at least.

Will you hold your anti-news line and eschew that support?

Tomorrow’s vote will decide this state’s direction and prosperity. On balance, the Herald Sun advocates for a vote in favour of Matthew Guy and the Liberals, to ensure Victoria makes the most of the challenges and the opportunities ahead.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opini ... b0cc38703d

Slim 293 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:16 pm

Ellafan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:12 pm AC, what are you going to say about newscorp when the editorial policy shifts to supporting labour? History tells us that when Murdoch (and possibly this is something his likely successors will follow) detects that the general population are inclining to change, he tends he to go with them. I think it's bound to happen in the medium term, at least.

Will you hold your anti-news line and eschew that support?

Tomorrow’s vote will decide this state’s direction and prosperity. On balance, the Herald Sun advocates for a vote in favour of Matthew Guy and the Liberals, to ensure Victoria makes the most of the challenges and the opportunities ahead.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opini ... b0cc38703d

That's a silly response Slimmy. The past is a forgotten country, unless you are so stupid as to repeat its mistakes.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:12 pm AC, what are you going to say about newscorp when the editorial policy shifts to supporting labour? History tells us that when Murdoch (and possibly this is something his likely successors will follow) detects that the general population are inclining to change, he tends he to go with them. I think it's bound to happen in the medium term, at least.

Will you hold your anti-news line and eschew that support?

What a strange comment. The Courier Mail here in QLD has never backed the ALP in an election, yet Labor have lost just one state election here since 1989. Are you suggesting that Labor supporters should be holding our breath for Rupert to switch his support from the LNP?

The News Ltd press are the unofficial media team for conservative parties here in Australia. You seem uncomfortable with this fact, but it's true. Yes, they did run a positive front page for Kevin Rudd two days out from the 2007 election, but you're not seriously suggesting that this balances out decades of passionate and relentless pro-conservative coverage, are you?

Interesting data on business news show (2GB) last night - didn't catch name of the guest - on the impact of the reduction of Job Keeper.
- in summary it takes $10b out of the economy between the reduction and year - some $1.5b per fortnight
- it is split roughly 600m NSW, $450m Vic, $350m Queens plus the rest

I'm expecting the money will be used in something else from the budget... but i was stuck by just how big the numbers were... this is just the reduction, not the actual cost of Job Keeper....

After 10 years of savaging the ALP's proposed fibre to the home NBN, the Coalition have now backtracked and will retrospectively dig up most of the copper to the home connections that they installed and replace them with fibre. Tony Abbott won office off the back of attacking the ALP's expensive NBN, claiming he could build a network that was just as fast for billions less. Looks like the Coalition have been caught lying again.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:50 pm Interesting data on business news show (2GB) last night - didn't catch name of the guest - on the impact of the reduction of Job Keeper.
- in summary it takes $10b out of the economy between the reduction and year - some $1.5b per fortnight
- it is split roughly 600m NSW, $450m Vic, $350m Queens plus the rest

I'm expecting the money will be used in something else from the budget... but i was stuck by just how big the numbers were... this is just the reduction, not the actual cost of Job Keeper....

With a reduction of $300 a fortnight, that implies 1.5m people on Jobkeeper in Victoria, or 1/4 of the state. Given the labour force is about 50%, that means half the state is on Jobkeeper. I dont believe that!

So in the last 24 hours the Coalition has been exposed for paying 10 times market value for land, which it purchased off a party donor, and then has backflipped after a 10 war against NBN fibre to the home. Funnily enough I couldn't find reference to either story on The Australian online.

Farva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:56 pm

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:50 pm Interesting data on business news show (2GB) last night - didn't catch name of the guest - on the impact of the reduction of Job Keeper.
- in summary it takes $10b out of the economy between the reduction and year - some $1.5b per fortnight
- it is split roughly 600m NSW, $450m Vic, $350m Queens plus the rest

I'm expecting the money will be used in something else from the budget... but i was stuck by just how big the numbers were... this is just the reduction, not the actual cost of Job Keeper....

With a reduction of $300 a fortnight, that implies 1.5m people on Jobkeeper in Victoria, or 1/4 of the state. Given the labour force is about 50%, that means half the state is on Jobkeeper. I dont believe that!

I was struggling on this as well - what i could find:
ACT https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... eek-labor/ - $33m per fortnight hit from reduction in $300

Vic - https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/co ... 00e8c32901
More than 1m now, growing to 1.36m

so maybe i got $450 wrong, could be closer to 400m..

Here's the show - https://www.4bc.com.au/podcast/money-ne ... mber-22nd/
about 25 mins in...

I didnt realise we had that many on Jobkeeper

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:21 am I didnt realise we had that many on Jobkeeper

Yep - scary shit.

If 10b in last quarter is reduction, then spend on job keeper is 40b per quarter (full year would be $160b) ....

The government expenditure for 19/20 was estimated as $500b .....

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:36 pm

Ellafan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:12 pm AC, what are you going to say about newscorp when the editorial policy shifts to supporting labour? History tells us that when Murdoch (and possibly this is something his likely successors will follow) detects that the general population are inclining to change, he tends he to go with them. I think it's bound to happen in the medium term, at least.

Will you hold your anti-news line and eschew that support?

What a strange comment. The Courier Mail here in QLD has never backed the ALP in an election, yet Labor have lost just one state election here since 1989. Are you suggesting that Labor supporters should be holding our breath for Rupert to switch his support from the LNP?

The News Ltd press are the unofficial media team for conservative parties here in Australia. You seem uncomfortable with this fact, but it's true. Yes, they did run a positive front page for Kevin Rudd two days out from the 2007 election, but you're not seriously suggesting that this balances out decades of passionate and relentless pro-conservative coverage, are you?

What's the answer to my question?

So yesterday Federal Immigration Minister Allan Tudge is found to have broken the law, and not a word from the PM or Tudge himself. Radio silence. And no coverage in any News ltd papers.