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kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:21 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:41 am I too fond it ironic that the loudest voices for "Blame" are those would most likely live, and vote in LNP heartlands.

Those responsible for the McJob culture that is the root of so many of our issues (and not just Covid).

But that's ok, they are doing alright

Come Pat - you're just making up stuff now and whining.
LNP/National party won the last election by gaining more votes than Labour/the opposition. Simples ... people are getting what they voted for, but this is what the majority voted for. Not the alternative.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:26 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:21 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:41 am I too fond it ironic that the loudest voices for "Blame" are those would most likely live, and vote in LNP heartlands.

Those responsible for the McJob culture that is the root of so many of our issues (and not just Covid).

But that's ok, they are doing alright

Come Pat - you're just making up stuff now and whining.
LNP/National party won the last election by gaining more votes than Labour/the opposition. Simples ... people are getting what they voted for, but this is what the majority voted for. Not the alternative.

I’ll query you on that mate... without checking the AEC website I think you’ll find more people voted for the Greens than National, yet the Nats get more seats and a place in government. Likewise... pretty much the same number of votes are cast for the Libs as the ALP... but coalition rules. If the ALP and the Greens decided to partner up and share representation in the same way the Coalition do they likely sweep the floor.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:26 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:21 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:41 am I too fond it ironic that the loudest voices for "Blame" are those would most likely live, and vote in LNP heartlands.

Those responsible for the McJob culture that is the root of so many of our issues (and not just Covid).

But that's ok, they are doing alright

Come Pat - you're just making up stuff now and whining.
LNP/National party won the last election by gaining more votes than Labour/the opposition. Simples ... people are getting what they voted for, but this is what the majority voted for. Not the alternative.

I’ll query you on that mate... without checking the AEC website I think you’ll find more people voted for the Greens than National, yet the Nats get more seats and a place in government. Likewise... pretty much the same number of votes are cast for the Libs as the ALP... but coalition rules. If the ALP and the Greens decided to partner up and share representation in the same way the Coalition do they likely sweep the floor.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:59 am A lot of the Greens votes do preference the ALP.

The Nationals have a disproportionate impact from their votes

And Greg works with numbers

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:33 am You must have loved that

You, doing your Poitier Blackboard jungle routine

And them not giving a shit.

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:40 am So, you’re telling me you didn’t try and get them to form an ice-hockey team?

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:43 am It’s not weird if you get the reference

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:02 pm Meanwhile the MUA wants 6% a year payrise, in Covid...

But have generously offered to reduce that to 2.5%, once it became clear that holding up medical supplies wasn't going to go down very well

All on top of the 174k p.a average wage of a wharfie

And they wonder why your average man in the street thinks unions are cunce

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:10 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:02 pm Meanwhile the MUA wants 6% a year payrise, in Covid...

But have generously offered to reduce that to 2.5%, once it became clear that holding up medical supplies wasn't going to go down very well

All on top of the 174k p.a average wage of a wharfie

And they wonder why your average man in the street thinks unions are cunce

Now you just trolling. No ships or medical supplies are being held up, ScoMo lied to us when he said 40 ships are waiting in Botany Bay. The unions want a tiny, 2.5% increase. The company is of course highly profitable and its executives just awarded themselves 10's of millions in bonuses.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:29 pm

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:10 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:02 pm Meanwhile the MUA wants 6% a year payrise, in Covid...

But have generously offered to reduce that to 2.5%, once it became clear that holding up medical supplies wasn't going to go down very well

All on top of the 174k p.a average wage of a wharfie

And they wonder why your average man in the street thinks unions are cunce

Now you just trolling. No ships or medical supplies are being held up, ScoMo lied to us when he said 40 ships are waiting in Botany Bay. The unions want a tiny, 2.5% increase. The company is of course highly profitable and its executives just awarded themselves 10's of millions in bonuses.

174k x 2.5% = a mere $4350 per annum.

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:29 pm sadly, no semi-objective review of the facts seems to support your parroting of the Union line

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:40 pm The 6% is a matter of public record, until reduced to merely 5x the last years CPI amount today as part of a ‘peace deal’

The 38 ships delayed/waiting is also a matter of semi-fact (inasmuch as the data comes from the Company)

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:53 pm I see...

Royal commission demands additional staff in aged care immediately
By Julie Power and Dana McCauley
Updated October 1, 2020 — 6.49pmfirst published at 5.09pm


The Aged Care Royal Commission has called on the federal government to immediately fund additional staff in aged care facilities, and has criticised the government's lack of a dedicated plan or clear leadership which left families and facilities wondering who was in charge.

On Thursday, the commission made six recommendations, including the establishment of an aged care advisory body and a COVID plan for the sector which would include protocols between state and federal governments to remove confusion.

All too often, the commissioners said in the report, families, providers and health care workers "did not have an answer to the critical question: Who is in charge?"

Commissioner Tony Pagone and Lynelle Briggs said levels of depression, anxiety, confusion, loneliness and suicide risk among aged care residents have increased since lockdowns began in March which resulted in most families being unable to visit.

Two recommendations address the "tragic, irreparable and lasting effects" of the restriction of visits. These include more funding for staff so families can visit loved ones in care and measures to provide mental health services to those residents whose mental health has suffered.

In the special report on the impact on the impact of the pandemic on aged care tabled in Parliament on Thursday, the commissioners say COVID-19 is a public health crisis that has disproportionately affected aged care in Australia.

The Morrison government yesterday accepted the six recommendations. Aged Care Minister Richard Colbeck announced an initial $40.6 million in immediate funding, and agreed to the commission's first recommendation that the government respond by December 1.

He would not say how much more the government would spend, but described the recommendations as "quite constructive". But he rejected the commission's claim the government lacked a plan.

Senator Colbeck said the government would also provide extra funding to help aged care residents access allied health services during the pandemic. It would also bring forward the start date of the serious incident response scheme to 2021, which was first recommended by the Australian Law Reform Commission almost four years ago.

Commissioners Pagone and Briggs said they were releasing the special report now "because, although no-one knows how long the pandemic will last, aged care residents continue to suffer and, tragically, more may die as a result of COVID-19".

"There is too much at stake to apportion blame at this time. However, the public needs to know what lessons have been, and can still be, learnt."

The commissioners also said much was "made during the hearing of whether there was an aged care-specific plan for COVID-19".

They conclude: "There was not a COVID-19 plan devoted solely to aged care. But there was a national COVID-19 plan that the Australian Government sought to adapt and apply to the aged care sector."

The commissioners said the key decision-making authority for national emergencies, the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee, the AHPPC, had released a statement in March warning that COVID-19 posed a significant health risk particularly for the elderly and individuals with co-morbidities or low immunity.

But this wasn't enough. "While the AHPPC acknowledged this significant issue, it is now clear that the measures implemented by the Australian Government on advice from the AHPPC were in some respects insufficient to ensure preparedness of the aged care sector," they said.

The commissioners also heard evidence that "confused and inconsistent messaging from providers, the Australian Government, and State and Territory governments emerged as themes in the submissions."

The commission also recommended that the government require providers to appoint infection control officers and arrange for the deployment of accredited infection prevention and control experts into residential aged care homes.

The minister also announced an additional $10.8 million "to enhance skills and leadership of aged care nurses" by expanding the Australian College of Nursing scholarship program, establishing an aged care practice program and creating "skills development programs for nurses and personal care workers in aged care".

It starts with recommendations to restore physical connection between older people in aged care homes and their families and friends because "older people must always be at the heart of the aged care sector and of any response to any event affecting their physical and mental wellbeing."

The report coincides with another two deaths in aged care in Victoria, lifting the number of deaths to 637 in that state alone.

The Federal Opposition said the commission’s special report on COVID-19 showed that the Morrison Government had no plan for COVID-19 in aged care. "The foundations of our country’s aged care system have buckled under the pressure of a deadly disease and the Morrison Government did not do enough to stop it," Opposition spokeswoman Julie Collins said.

Ian Yates, the chief executive of the Council on the Ageing (COTA) Australia, was pleased that the report emphasised the quality of life and wellbeing of residents in aged care.

The commissioners said government had to treat aged care facilities as people's homes.

"This is what COTA has advocated for throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, unfortunately often against strong resistance and even opposition," he said.

“This sentiment is clearly articulated through the recommendations to increase the provision of staff to facilitate visits by family and loved ones, and for the increased provision of health and mental health services through the Medical Benefits Scheme, which must also be implemented immediately," said Mr Yates.

Others welcomed the government's swift response: Catholic Health said it knew delays could have "tragic consequences on this vulnerable cohort of society." Pat Sparrow, CEO of Aged & Community Services Australia (ACSA) said they were "fantastic recommendations to safeguard aged care from the pandemic and the government should adopt them urgently".

The Aged Care commission will release its final report in February next year.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:52 pm I suspect others will disagree but based on that report to me By not having a dedicated aged care plan for COVID - given the clear evidence of risk to those in aged care - the minister has not acted in a reasonable way and not taken reasonable steps.

Colbeck - either now or in the short term after rectifying the major problems - should be accountable for the failings her and resigned/ be removed from role.

Farva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:01 pm

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:52 pm I suspect others will disagree but based on that report to me By not having a dedicated aged care plan for COVID - given the clear evidence of risk to those in aged care - the minister has not acted in a reasonable way and not taken reasonable steps.

Colbeck - either now or in the short term after rectifying the major problems - should be accountable for the failings her and resigned/ be removed from role.

Sure, but I don’t think Scott Morrison should resign for it though.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:10 pm

Farva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:01 pm

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:52 pm I suspect others will disagree but based on that report to me By not having a dedicated aged care plan for COVID - given the clear evidence of risk to those in aged care - the minister has not acted in a reasonable way and not taken reasonable steps.

Colbeck - either now or in the short term after rectifying the major problems - should be accountable for the failings her and resigned/ be removed from role.

Sure, but I don’t think Scott Morrison should resign for it though.

For me that would depend on whether he had any direct involvement, direct accountability, and/or the scale of the issue is so big.

I still am of the opinion than Dan Andrews is a lot more accountability for the failings in Victoria than ScoMo is on aged care/ national response to COVID.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:03 am Point taken and fair view point.

For me the difference is numbers, or the stats. It doesn't take away from the shitty absolute number but under:
- Andrews - ~ 100 deaths per million
- ScoMo - ~35 deaths per million / or ~7 deaths per million excluding Victoria

I'd be happy if both went.

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:53 am The fed govt put forward a massive deficit but there is no other choice. I’m going towards the print money to pay for it camp as we are actually seeing deflation right now (ABS has -0.3% CPI right now).
I’m not sold on the tax cuts (all Hough it’s massively beneficial to me). It’s not the way to get the economy kick started, lower income earners spend far faster than higher. And velocity is abysmal right now.
I’m really pleased to see $1.4b over 10 years for ARENA and $300m in the CEFC to kickstart the hydrogen economy. I’m less interested in the money assigned to gas and clean coal. It will be interesting to see how the industry responds to that and whether they are interested in supporting gas and coal.
I am more than happy to see debt approaching $1t in the next few years. It has too.
I’m torn as to whether we keep the job seeker payment high. I feel the rate before Covid was too low. But it can’t stop people from finding work. I don’t think we can go back to the previous rate, but I feel the Covid supplement was too much.

Farva wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:53 am The fed govt put forward a massive deficit but there is no other choice. I’m going towards the print money to pay for it camp as we are actually seeing deflation right now (ABS has -0.3% CPI right now).
I’m not sold on the tax cuts (all Hough it’s massively beneficial to me). It’s not the way to get the economy kick started, lower income earners spend far faster than higher. And velocity is abysmal right now.
I’m really pleased to see $1.4b over 10 years for ARENA and $300m in the CEFC to kickstart the hydrogen economy. I’m less interested in the money assigned to gas and clean coal. It will be interesting to see how the industry responds to that and whether they are interested in supporting gas and coal.
I am more than happy to see debt approaching $1t in the next few years. It has too.
I’m torn as to whether we keep the job seeker payment high. I feel the rate before Covid was too low. But it can’t stop people from finding work. I don’t think we can go back to the previous rate, but I feel the Covid supplement was too much.